Saudi Arabia's economy is crashing down hard, and its all their fault..

[pgardn]

Sure.

Saudi seems to have spent about $1.5 billion in their air campaign alone, and that is reported number. The real number could easily be double or triple. So let's say $3 billion. yes still chump change but the truth is Saudi armed forces have proven they are pathetically innefficient. They have basically carpet bombed civilians and still taken heavy loses.

The guy they support, Hadi has more bloon on his hands than Gaddafi did. Yet the west is mute.

The real problem with Saudi war mongering is that they have been terrible at it. They thought Assad was going to be toppled in a matter of months, it's been 4 years and counting. They thought they were going to raze the Houthies, but the Houthies are pounding that ass. They are pathetic. Can you imagine what would happen if Saudi faces a capable army?

To be fair Iran is proving they are ty and pathetic too. Getting tons of their elite forces killed by a bunch of camel ers

Like I said before, the world should just let Saudi and Iran go at it 1 on 1. It would be hilarious to see 2 of the most expensive yet re ed armed forces in the world

The Russians are also bombing large numbers of civilians. They don't have anywhere close to the number of guided accurate missiles the US has and the US has made horrible mistakes. You stated the Russian campaign would be over quickly? What happened?

[hater]

Carter and Bush were both US presidents. Does that make them the same???

The differences are too many to name, but just to name a few. Gaddafi was an irrational, unpredictable possibly egocentric lunatic. Saddam was very cold headed, predictable and rational man, although ruthless. Gaddafi tended towards socialism and having many relations with other countries and even opened up his country to foreign investors in the latter parts. Saddam did not, but he quietly built one of the most massive oil empires in the world.

again, apples and oranges. But I would not expect Chump's or even yours primitive knowledge of Middle Eastern subjects to realize this.

[hater]

oh and when did I say Russia's air campaign would be over soon? making up

[pgardn]

Carter and Bush were both US presidents. Does that make them the same???

The differences are too many to name, but just to name a few. Gaddafi was an irrational, unpredictable possibly egocentric lunatic. Saddam was very cold headed, predictable and rational man, although ruthless. Gaddafi tended towards socialism and having many relations with other countries and even opened up his country to foreign investors in the latter parts. Saddam did not, but he quietly built one of the most massive oil empires in the world.

again, apples and oranges. But I would not expect Chump's or even yours primitive knowledge of Middle Eastern subjects to realize this.

uhhh... Carter and Bush were both presidents of the same democratic nation...

You don't find it curious that ME strong men with oil power are quite prevalent?

[hater]

Not that I believe this fully but FWIW:

Over 2,000 Saudi Military Personnel Killed in Yemen
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/...lled-in-yemen/

In a series of tweets released on Thursday morning, the famous Saudi whistleblower known on Twitter as “@Mujtahidd” leaked more information from the Saudi government’s classified files, revealing the army’s death toll and the total number of lost military equipment during the ongoing Yemeni War.

According to the aforementioned source, the Saudi Army has lost almost 2,000 soldiers (4,850 soldiers reportedly wounded), 450 tanks, 4 U.S. manufactured Apache Helicopters, 15 other military aircrafts, 3 boats (destroyed by P-15 Termit anti-ship missiles), and almost 200 billion Saudi riyals in damage.

The Twitter user is well-known for his accurate information and his government leaks that have time and time again proven to be authentic, despite his unknown iden y.

[pgardn]

oh and when did I say Russia's air campaign would be over soon? making up

When Russia got into this mess you implied it would end quickly. I'm not gonna go through all your drivel posts again. You portrayed it as some huge change with a possible " s about to get real" yet again. I said it would take ground forces for a quick end.

The rule is the following by my decree:

The onus is on you to prove yourself correct because you have put up such a large amount of absolute BS on this board in the past and present.

And i I bet you like being given decrees ala Putin. But I implore you to not worship me as you do Putin simply because I nailed your head to the ground. Your affection for Assad and Putin are noted.

[pgardn]

Not that I believe this fully but FWIW:

Over 2,000 Saudi Military Personnel Killed in Yemen
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/...lled-in-yemen/

In a series of tweets released on Thursday morning, the famous Saudi whistleblower known on Twitter as “@Mujtahidd” leaked more information from the Saudi government’s classified files, revealing the army’s death toll and the total number of lost military equipment during the ongoing Yemeni War.

According to the aforementioned source, the Saudi Army has lost almost 2,000 soldiers (4,850 soldiers reportedly wounded), 450 tanks, 4 U.S. manufactured Apache Helicopters, 15 other military aircrafts, 3 boats (destroyed by P-15 Termit anti-ship missiles), and almost 200 billion Saudi riyals in damage.

The Twitter user is well-known for his accurate information and his government leaks that have time and time again proven to be authentic, despite his unknown iden y.

The Saudis had at least 450 tanks in Yemen? How many total tanks do the Saudis have in Yemen?

Holy ...

[pgardn]

Not that I believe this fully but FWIW:

Over 2,000 Saudi Military Personnel Killed in Yemen
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/...lled-in-yemen/

In a series of tweets released on Thursday morning, the famous Saudi whistleblower known on Twitter as “@Mujtahidd” leaked more information from the Saudi government’s classified files, revealing the army’s death toll and the total number of lost military equipment during the ongoing Yemeni War.

According to the aforementioned source, the Saudi Army has lost almost 2,000 soldiers (4,850 soldiers reportedly wounded), 450 tanks, 4 U.S. manufactured Apache Helicopters, 15 other military aircrafts, 3 boats (destroyed by P-15 Termit anti-ship missiles), and almost 200 billion Saudi riyals in damage.

The Twitter user is well-known for his accurate information and his government leaks that have time and time again proven to be authentic, despite his unknown iden y.

While the Emirati and Saudi intervention against Iranian-backed Shiite Houthi rebels and their pro-Saleh supporters has been hailed as a success since Aden and other southern cities and towns have been retaken, the gulf countries have paid a price that is often not seen. The Houthis have destroyed several armored vehicles, including US-supplied M1 Abrams tanks, while battling Saudi and Emirati troops.While the Emirati and Saudi intervention against Iranian-backed Shiite Houthi rebels and their pro-Saleh supporters has been hailed as a success since Aden and other southern cities and towns have been retaken, the gulf countries have paid a price that is often not seen. The Houthis have destroyed several armored vehicles, including US-supplied M1 Abrams tanks, while battling Saudi and Emirati troops.
Houthi rebels, through their official satellite channel Al Masirah TV, have released several videos detailing the destruction of Saudi and Emirati vehicles in Yemen and in southern Saudi Arabia.
The first video, which was taken near the town of Al Khobah in the southern province of Jizan in Saudi Arabia, shows pro-Saleh Yemeni military and Houthi fighters firing anti-tank missiles at a Saudi tank. The video then shifts to showing the fighters on top of a US-supplied M1 Abrams tank. A second video, also from the Jizan region, shows a similar scene.
The Houthis destroy two Abrams with anti-tank missiles. Both tanks can be seen bursting into flames while the Houthi fighters are heard celebrating off-camera. Additionally, a video has been uploaded purporting to show the launching of a SCUD missile into Saudi territory. The Houthis in the video report that the SCUD destroyed a Saudi power station in the Jizan region. The Saudis have denied this, however, and said that its military “intercepted and destroyed” the missile.
Houthi rebels, through their official satellite channel Al Masirah TV, have released several videos detailing the destruction of Saudi and Emirati vehicles in Yemen and in southern Saudi Arabia.
The first video, which was taken near the town of Al Khobah in the southern province of Jizan in Saudi Arabia, shows pro-Saleh Yemeni military and Houthi fighters firing anti-tank missiles at a Saudi tank. The video then shifts to showing the fighters on top of a US-supplied M1 Abrams tank. A second video, also from the Jizan region, shows a similar scene.
The Houthis destroy two Abrams with anti-tank missiles. Both tanks can be seen bursting into flames while the Houthi fighters are heard celebrating off-camera. Additionally, a video has been uploaded purporting to show the launching of a SCUD missile into Saudi territory. The Houthis in the video report that the SCUD destroyed a Saudi power station in the Jizan region. The Saudis have denied this, however, and said that its military “intercepted and destroyed” the missile.




The above is what the Houtis claim from a large battle.

But in totality its 450...

[hater]

here, now you can stop your meltdown...

[pgardn]

here, now you can stop your meltdown...

Thanks.

I was close to killing myself.

Love me some Twitter journalism.

[pgardn]

here, now you can stop your meltdown...

Oh , the mainstream media...

Where people are held accountable for being wrong.

So when Tony Toh's extensive reporting networks lead him to post inaccuracies does he have to leave social media sites? Or does he just fire himself?

You won't hear this in mainstream media...
Fair and Balanced...
And our own, s about to get Real...

Jesus.

[Wild Cobra]

Gaddafi tried to get elected leader of the african congress and was rejected repeatedly. How do you expect he was going to manage that?

With water.

[Pelicans78]

Sure.

Saudi seems to have spent about $1.5 billion in their air campaign alone, and that is reported number. The real number could easily be double or triple. So let's say $3 billion. yes still chump change but the truth is Saudi armed forces have proven they are pathetically innefficient. They have basically carpet bombed civilians and still taken heavy loses.

The guy they support, Hadi has more bloon on his hands than Gaddafi did. Yet the west is mute.

The real problem with Saudi war mongering is that they have been terrible at it. They thought Assad was going to be toppled in a matter of months, it's been 4 years and counting. They thought they were going to raze the Houthies, but the Houthies are pounding that ass. They are pathetic. Can you imagine what would happen if Saudi faces a capable army?

To be fair Iran is proving they are ty and pathetic too. Getting tons of their elite forces killed by a bunch of camel ers

Like I said before, the world should just let Saudi and Iran go at it 1 on 1. It would be hilarious to see 2 of the most expensive yet re ed armed forces in the world

Just think how different the Middle East/Muslim world would look if it wasn't for those two governments. Eventually countries like Turkey, Pakistan, Malaysia, and Indonesia should take the lead in that region if their governments don't become de-stabilized by Western forces.

[pgardn]

Just think how different the Middle East/Muslim world would look if it wasn't for those two governments. Eventually countries like Turkey, Pakistan, Malaysia, and Indonesia should take the lead in that region if their governments don't become de-stabilized by Western forces.

Turkey has had like 6 wars with Russia in the past and you are worried about the West destabilizing them...

[RandomGuy]

The Saudis had at least 450 tanks in Yemen? How many total tanks do the Saudis have in Yemen?

Holy ...

Doesn't stand up to basic fact-checking. Saudis have a grand total of 1200 tanks.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/count...d=saudi-arabia

More plausible might be "trucks" or personnel carriers, even then I would doubt that.

Haven't been keeping tabs on it though.

[Pelicans78]

Turkey has had like 6 wars with Russia in the past and you are worried about the West destabilizing them...

Well, the West in general has destabilized the Middle East and South Asia since World War I and Turkey was a victim of that with the overthrow of the Ottoman Empire in Arab land and the establishment of the Wahhabi Saudis by Brits. Also, the war in Iraq and preceding Syrian crisis, both perpetrated by the West has been a destablizing force in and around Turkey so anything can happen to other countries that were mentioned. Pakistan was destabilized by the U.S involvement in Afghanistan in the 80s and following 9/11. If the West really cares about stabilizing the Muslim world, they need to stop taking part in destabilization. The Arab countries are too corrupt and too involved in extremism to be active players in stabilizing the region while Iran has ambitions of spreading its influence as well. So in the end, it leaves the other major countries like Turkey, Pakistan, and Indonesia to be key figures in stabilizing the Muslim world unless Western intervention screws it up.

[hater]

Agree ^

The West has been making mistake after mistake. Just more recently, Lybia. We all knew it was a big mistake and yet the West still ed it up. And Syria, we actually prevented the bombing 2 years ago, the people prevented the West from making a huge mistake. But the West secretly kept trying to oust Assad and grew ISIS.

History is living proof this up has mostly been the fault of the West.

[pgardn]

Well, the West in general has destabilized the Middle East and South Asia since World War I and Turkey was a victim of that with the overthrow of the Ottoman Empire in Arab land and the establishment of the Wahhabi Saudis by Brits. Also, the war in Iraq and preceding Syrian crisis, both perpetrated by the West has been a destablizing force in and around Turkey so anything can happen to other countries that were mentioned. Pakistan was destabilized by the U.S involvement in Afghanistan in the 80s and following 9/11. If the West really cares about stabilizing the Muslim world, they need to stop taking part in destabilization. The Arab countries are too corrupt and too involved in extremism to be active players in stabilizing the region while Iran has ambitions of spreading its influence as well. So in the end, it leaves the other major countries like Turkey, Pakistan, and Indonesia to be key figures in stabilizing the Muslim world unless Western intervention screws it up.

Pakistan's major threat is India, not the US. It's been like this since Pakistan was formed. Iraq and Iran had much more trouble with each other. You completely passed over the deep historic struggle between the Sunni and Shiites which is the fuel in all this (along with oil) The West plays with the fuse without understanding it.

Point well taken with the West messing with oil rich nations/dictators in the ME, if you did intend this.

The wars between African tribes and fleeting nation states makes the ME look minor in terms of total deaths. The West played in some parts of Africa and then left them to their own devices upon which many more people died. Now the UN gets called in and the slaughter ebbs and flows. Still much worse than the ME.

[pgardn]

Doesn't stand up to basic fact-checking. Saudis have a grand total of 1200 tanks.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/count...d=saudi-arabia

More plausible might be "trucks" or personnel carriers, even then I would doubt that.

Haven't been keeping tabs on it though.

Hater amended the always reliable Twitter sources to 450 = tanks + other military vehicles.

The level of disinformation that comes from some posters is amazing.

[Pelicans78]

Pakistan's major threat is India, not the US. It's been like this since Pakistan was formed. Iraq and Iran had much more trouble with each other. You completely passed over the deep historic struggle between the Sunni and Shiites which is the fuel in all this (along with oil) The West plays with the fuse without understanding it.

Point well taken with the West messing with oil rich nations/dictators in the ME, if you did intend this.

The wars between African tribes and fleeting nation states makes the ME look minor in terms of total deaths. The West played in some parts of Africa and then left them to their own devices upon which many more people died. Now the UN gets called in and the slaughter ebbs and flows. Still much worse than the ME.

Pakistan's old rival is India and is a looming threat, but they've had to deal with a massive influx of extremism since the 1980s with millions of Afghan refugees and foreign fighters running from the wars with the Soviets. The 1990s were all about the development of Al Qaeda and the Taliban which created turmoil in that country. These two groups are not created without Saudi and U.S influence. Terrorism exploded inside Pakistan especially after the country allowed the U.S to use its bases to invade Afghanistan's Talibam. The Jihadists waged a war on Pakistan and accounted for many bombings during the 2000s. Once Musharraf (a puppet of the U.S.) was removed from power and democratic leaders took control of the country, the Paki army waged a massive war on the Taliban and other extremist groups forcing them to run back into Afghanistan. It took a long time, but Pakistan is on its way of removing extremism from its country.

The Shiite/Sunni struggle is greatly overstated and does not even compare historically to what Protestants and Catholics went through against each other. Iran and Iraq were two countries formed after World War I and hardly had any issues until the 1980s. The war between those two countries was a product of Saddam's lust for oil and hatred for Persians, and the U.S and West allowing him to invade due to anger from the hostage crisis. Saddam got their blessing and went full blast and killed many Iranians all in pursuit of their oil. In fact, Pakistan, a Sunni country helped their neighboring Shia Iran against the Sunni Iraqi army during that war since both countries have had friendly relations since the 1940s despite religous differences. The Shias in Pakistan never had trouble until extremism crept into Pakistan in the 1990s. The only reason we're seeing the Sunni/Shia struggle today is due to the extremist governments in both Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Africa is a different animal but obviously many of those countries were occupied by the West before gaining their independence.

[RandomGuy]

here, now you can stop your meltdown...

ah, there were go. that seems better. I thought it was a typo or something similar. Thank you.

[RandomGuy]

Pakistan's old rival is India and is a looming threat, but they've had to deal with a massive influx of extremism since the 1980s with millions of Afghan refugees and foreign fighters running from the wars with the Soviets. The 1990s were all about the development of Al Qaeda and the Taliban which created turmoil in that country. These two groups are not created without Saudi and U.S influence. Terrorism exploded inside Pakistan especially after the country allowed the U.S to use its bases to invade Afghanistan's Talibam. The Jihadists waged a war on Pakistan and accounted for many bombings during the 2000s. Once Musharraf (a puppet of the U.S.) was removed from power and democratic leaders took control of the country, the Paki army waged a massive war on the Taliban and other extremist groups forcing them to run back into Afghanistan. It took a long time, but Pakistan is on its way of removing extremism from its country.

The Shiite/Sunni struggle is greatly overstated and does not even compare historically to what Protestants and Catholics went through against each other. Iran and Iraq were two countries formed after World War I and hardly had any issues until the 1980s. The war between those two countries was a product of Saddam's lust for oil and hatred for Persians, and the U.S and West allowing him to invade due to anger from the hostage crisis. Saddam got their blessing and went full blast and killed many Iranians all in pursuit of their oil. In fact, Pakistan, a Sunni country helped their neighboring Shia Iran against the Sunni Iraqi army during that war since both countries have had friendly relations since the 1940s despite religous differences. The Shias in Pakistan never had trouble until extremism crept into Pakistan in the 1990s. The only reason we're seeing the Sunni/Shia struggle today is due to the extremist governments in both Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Africa is a different animal but obviously many of those countries were occupied by the West before gaining their independence.

Holy , coherent and accurate. A rarity here., and thanks.

I would add though, that Pakistans problems with extremism will only really be solved when they can improve public education. Hard to wean populations from religious extremism when those religious extremists are doing all the educating.

[ChumpDumper]

Well OPEC didn't move to curb production. They must really be intent on killing shale/sand producers, but it seems those guys invested so much initially that they can't stop now.

[pgardn]

Pakistan's old rival is India and is a looming threat, but they've had to deal with a massive influx of extremism since the 1980s with millions of Afghan refugees and foreign fighters running from the wars with the Soviets. The 1990s were all about the development of Al Qaeda and the Taliban which created turmoil in that country. These two groups are not created without Saudi and U.S influence. Terrorism exploded inside Pakistan especially after the country allowed the U.S to use its bases to invade Afghanistan's Talibam. The Jihadists waged a war on Pakistan and accounted for many bombings during the 2000s. Once Musharraf (a puppet of the U.S.) was removed from power and democratic leaders took control of the country, the Paki army waged a massive war on the Taliban and other extremist groups forcing them to run back into Afghanistan. It took a long time, but Pakistan is on its way of removing extremism from its country.

The Shiite/Sunni struggle is greatly overstated and does not even compare historically to what Protestants and Catholics went through against each other. Iran and Iraq were two countries formed after World War I and hardly had any issues until the 1980s. The war between those two countries was a product of Saddam's lust for oil and hatred for Persians, and the U.S and West allowing him to invade due to anger from the hostage crisis. Saddam got their blessing and went full blast and killed many Iranians all in pursuit of their oil. In fact, Pakistan, a Sunni country helped their neighboring Shia Iran against the Sunni Iraqi army during that war since both countries have had friendly relations since the 1940s despite religous differences. The Shias in Pakistan never had trouble until extremism crept into Pakistan in the 1990s. The only reason we're seeing the Sunni/Shia struggle today is due to the extremist governments in both Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Africa is a different animal but obviously many of those countries were occupied by the West before gaining their independence.

The Shiite Sunni conflict is hardly overstated as you failed to even mention it. It has a deep history that is much more fundamental than current alignments. This conflict is very important to understand as well as the more local tribal disagreements that were not appreciated by the US and others. And it cost them.

Just because you might be fine with dictators like Saddam murdering in order to rule and possibly quell old vendettas does not mean this should be the status quo.

Also, Pakistan is a player like Saudi Arabia but for a different reason. Pakistan obtained nuclear capability to deal specifically with India. This happened well before the 1990s of course. All Pakistan has to do is relay a sense of fear that destabilization will lead to nuclear conflict and everyone hops. They play a game with funding terrorists and being good guys just like Saudi Arabia.

[Pelicans78]

The Shiite Sunni conflict is hardly overstated as you failed to even mention it. It has a deep history that is much more fundamental than current alignments. This conflict is very important to understand as well as the more local tribal disagreements that were not appreciated by the US and others. And it cost them.

Just because you might be fine with dictators like Saddam murdering in order to rule and possibly quell old vendettas does not mean this should be the status quo.

Also, Pakistan is a player like Saudi Arabia but for a different reason. Pakistan obtained nuclear capability to deal specifically with India. This happened well before the 1990s of course. All Pakistan has to do is relay a sense of fear that destabilization will lead to nuclear conflict and everyone hops. They play a game with funding terrorists and being good guys just like Saudi Arabia.

The Shiite Sunni conflict is hardly overstated as you failed to even mention it. It has a deep history that is much more fundamental than current alignments. This conflict is very important to understand as well as the more local tribal disagreements that were not appreciated by the US and others. And it cost them.

I meant historically it's been overstated. Hasn't been extremely bloody since the divide 1400 years ago especially compared to the Protestant Reformation and even recent history in Northern Ireland. Obviously the Sunni/Shia divide has grown due to two extremist governments in Saudia Arabia and Iran have tried to spread their extreme brand across the region. There is a proxy war going on between both countries which is currently causing wars in Yemen, Iraq, and Syria. The civil war in Iraq started with Iranian backed Shias and Sunni Al-Qaeda with the moderate Sunni Kurds sucked in. And ironically this proxy war has sucked in major powers compared to the Cold War where every other country was being sucked in. But I still maintain before these two extremist governments were formed, the Sunni/Shia struggle was not much of struggle throughout history.

Just because you might be fine with dictators like Saddam murdering in order to rule and possibly quell old vendettas does not mean this should be the status quo.

Now where did I say I was fine with dictators ruling the Middle East. I mentioned countries like Turkey, Pakistan, and Indonesia as potential stabilizing forces in the Muslim world since these are the largest Muslim countries who happen to have democratic principles in this day and age compared to the Arab dictators/monarchies and Iranian clerics. These large democratic countries have the potential to bring stability for one effectively tackling extremism and also providing inspiration to Muslims in other countries who aspire to having their own representative government. However these countries have major powers in their backyard who could cause destabilization.

Also, Pakistan is a player like Saudi Arabia but for a different reason. Pakistan obtained nuclear capability to deal specifically with India. This happened well before the 1990s of course. All Pakistan has to do is relay a sense of fear that destabilization will lead to nuclear conflict and everyone hops. They play a game with funding terrorists and being good guys just like Saudi Arabia.

Yes, Pakistan obtained nuclear weapons because of the threat from India, but they've dealt with extremist factions for over 20+ years mostly from Saudi influence spreading their extreme brand from the 1980s while supplying money to help fight the Soviets and later creating the Taliban. Yes, Pakistan has sympathized and provided support with the terrorists especially during Musharraf's rule, but that is not the norm since they've had elections since 2008, especially since their recent Prime Minister was elected in 2013. They've had a major military operation against the Taliban which has effectively crippled their operation and forced them to run back into Afghanistan. Also, the economy has improved since the government has given more control to private enterprises, as well as having strong ties with China who has heavily invested into Pakistan. Not only is China investing into Pakistan, but former Cold War enemy Russia has lifted the ban on dealing with Pakistan and have reached oil/natural gas and military agreements. I know the Western media wants to maintain that Pakistan is a dangerous Muslim country with nuclear weapons that invests in terrorism, but that narrative has become false with Pakistan rooting out extremism and maintaining a democratically elected government.

By the way, Pakistan launched their first nuclear missiles in the late 1990s. Recently, the government is having to deal with increased recent Hindu fundamentalism from India who have actively tried to destabilize Pakistan by funding anti-government political parties and expressing views on punishing Muslims in India who eat beef.