Warriors: Stephen Curry declares himself a better offensive player than LeBron James

[DMC]

This lol

[DAF86]

According to the article, that's not true if you look at the stats.

You derailed son. I was just noting that the article says that Curry has a higer apg and a better assist to TO ratio, so the whole "better passer" thing is at least debatable.

Me.

[DAF86]

Some of the comments on this thread. And then you have to read like "Curry was supossed to be overrated".

[spurraider21]

some of these takes

[DMC]

some of these takes

Happened several months after I created that thread.

The entire island of the Philippines must run on hindsight.

[DMC]

It'll be really interesting to see Curry in a non-ISO system this season, tbh..

He's never going to be a dominant player due to his relatively weak game in the paint/at the rim, but I'm curious to see how he looks in a system that emphasizes ball movement, unlike the Jackson system..

Harlem

[spurraider21]

Happened several months after I created that thread.

The entire island of the Philippines must run on hindsight.

there are about 7000 islands in the philippines

and was is the relevance of the philippines? the only pinoy in this thread is 100%Duncan

[DAF86]

Harlem

That's a good take but it doesn't take too much genius to predict something/someone will be better on basketball with ball movement insted of isos, tbh. He was way off with the "he's never going to be a dominant player" though.

[DMC]

That's a good take but it doesn't take too much genius to predict something/someone will be better on basketball with ball movement insted of isos, tbh. He was way off with the "he's never going to be a dominant player" though.

He's not dominant. He's a high scorer but Delly shut him down. Dominant players cannot be contained, thus "dominant". He's a great scorer though, can't defend for but can score.

It's funny that you say that. It's taken you 3 ing years to get that through your thick skull. Ball movement beats a stagnant offense, but with you it's "unless it's Curry".

Even him.

[DMC]

there are about 7000 islands in the philippines

and was is the relevance of the philippines? the only pinoy in this thread is 100%Duncan

riiiiiiiight

[spurraider21]

unless you are implying that you are filipino (not that there's anything wrong with that), i think you're barking up the wrong tree

[spurraider21]

He's not dominant. He's a high scorer but Delly shut him down. Dominant players cannot be contained, thus "dominant". He's a great scorer though, can't defend for but can score.

Even him.

jesus... curry had a horrible game 2 and suddenly he was "held down"

he shot 49.5% in the other 5 games

and you are still harping on the "he can't defend" shtick which is completely unsubstantiated by any statistic. going back to last year he scores favorably in just about every defensive metric. DRPM, DBPM, D-Rating, On/Off numbers... even raw stats like steals per game. he's no chris paul, but the numbers all indicate he's an above average defender. i'm sure you'll just say "nuh-uh" and carry on pretending he's a poor defender with nothing to back it up

i know individually, these metrics have flaws (particularly D-rating aka the carlos boozer stat), but when you grade favorably in all of them...

[DAF86]

He's not dominant. He's a high scorer but Delly shut him down. Dominant players cannot be contained, thus "dominant". He's a great scorer though, can't defend for but can score.

He's probably the most dominant player I have ever seen after Shaq (I was too young to analyze what MJ did when I watched him). Even HarlemHeat37 himself would probably agree that Curry is very dominant right now.

It's funny that you say that. It's taken you 3 ing years to get that through your thick skull. Ball movement beats a stagnant offense, but with you it's "unless it's Curry".

Even him.

When the have I ever disagreed with that? In fact I have stated many times in the past how greateful I was that Mark Jackson was keeping such a great core of players down. Too bad that's no longer the case.

[DMC]

and you are still harping on the "he can't defend" shtick which is completely unsubstantiated by any statistic. going back to last year he scores favorably in just about every defensive metric. DRPM, DBPM, D-Rating, On/Off numbers... even raw stats like steals per game. he's no chris paul, but the numbers all indicate he's an above average defender. i'm sure you'll just say "nuh-uh" and carry on pretending he's a poor defender with nothing to back it up

i know individually, these metrics have flaws (particularly D-rating aka the carlos boozer stat), but when you grade favorably in all of them...

Mark hid him on defense. That's pretty obvious and stated in print in fine magazines.

Delly was holdin' him down. Else he'd be the finals MVP. I don't see how you can spin that any other way. It was how Delly made his name. It's not like Delly was a prodigy defender. Dude was undrafted. Iggy with a FMVP off the bench? Seriously?

[DMC]

He's probably the most dominant player I have ever seen after Shaq (I was too young to analyze what MJ did when I watched him). Even HarlemHeat37 himself would probably agree that Curry is very dominant right now.

Dominant on offense. "Player" is a full court aspect of the job.

When the have I ever disagreed with that? In fact I have stated many times in the past how greateful I was that Mark Jackson was keeping such a great core of players down. Too bad that's no longer the case.

Oh you spent years riding that broken broom.

[spurraider21]

Mark hid him on defense. That's pretty obvious and stated in print in fine magazines.

Delly was holdin' him down. Else he'd be the finals MVP. I don't see how you can spin that any other way. It was how Delly made his name. It's not like Delly was a prodigy defender. Dude was undrafted. Iggy with a FMVP off the bench? Seriously?

we've already had this discussion

He gave up the MVP to a bench player.

and duncan gave up MVP to parker... and duncan shot under 45% for that series

Only after he had 3 already and not in Duncan's MVP season.

Plus Parker was the starting PG, not a bench player. Manu didn't get one in Tim's prime.

parker and iggy played the same minutes per game in their respective finals mvp campaigns. it's really not a big deal. it was still duncan's team, and it's remembered that way. nobody remembers the '81 celtics as maxwell's team either

i know you have that albatross curry thread with your name on it, so you need to stick to your guns, though. so go ahead

[spurraider21]

curry had 1 poor game in the finals... he shot 49% from the field and 46% from 3 in the other 5 games. delly was there all 6 games. so either he curry got REALLY lucky for 5 games against delly or he just had a poor game 2

[DMC]

we've already had this discussion

You need to come to grips with the fact that the prodigy gave up his first chance at a Finals MVP in his prime to a bench player because little white scrub with a beard shut him down on the biggest stage in the NBA. Sure the Warriors won, but Iggy was given the lion's share of the credit for that. That's where you make your name, and if you don't think pundits will look back on that and use that FMVP as a talking point, you're sadly mistaken. Shaq took 3 in a row and Kobe still hears about it.

[DMC]

curry had 1 poor game in the finals... he shot 49% from the field and 46% from 3 in the other 5 games. delly was there all 6 games. so either he curry got REALLY lucky for 5 games against delly or he just had a poor game 2

Then explain why Iggy got the MVP and Steph didn't.

[spurraider21]

cedric maxwell took finals MVP the first time bird won

and shaq/kobe is a terrible analogy because shaq was the clear best player on the team (and for 1 or 2 of those seasons, in the league)... through both the regular season and postseason. the finals mvp just reaffirmed it.

nobody in their right mind, not even you, thinks iggy is a better player than curry, or that the warriors are iggy's team. just like nobody thought the celtics were cedric maxwell's team even though he won FMVP in 81. iggy won F-MVP because he had a good series and was matched up against lebron who was doing historic things (lebron was a legitimate fmvp candidate even in a losing effort).

[DAF86]

Oh you spent years riding that broken broom.

Not really

[DMC]

cedric maxwell took finals MVP the first time bird won

and shaq/kobe is a terrible analogy because shaq was the clear best player on the team (and for 1 or 2 of those seasons, in the league)... through both the regular season and postseason. the finals mvp just reaffirmed it.

nobody in their right mind, not even you, thinks iggy is a better player than curry, or that the warriors are iggy's team. just like nobody thought the celtics were cedric maxwell's team even though he won FMVP in 81. iggy won F-MVP because he had a good series and was matched up against lebron who was doing historic things (lebron was a legitimate fmvp candidate even in a losing effort).

Bird didn't win the regular season MVP that year. There's no way in Iggy should have won that. Curry was exposed, you know it. Just admit it. Don't be like me.

Iggy was the clear best player according to the voters.

Iggy wins the MVP matched up with the greatest player on the planet and Steph gets shut down by a small white scrub. Nice dichotomy. Bail that water, son.

[DMC]

Not really

Get the out of here. There's pages and pages of you nay saying it.

[spurraider21]

Bird didn't win the regular season MVP that year. There's no way in Iggy should have won that. Curry was exposed, you know it. Just admit it. Don't be like me.

why does it matter who the regular season mvp was? what's the difference? was bird not clearly the best player and team leader for the celtics? you're just grasping at straws

Iggy was the clear best player according to the voters.

cool. and parker was the clearly best player in 2007

Iggy wins the MVP matched up with the greatest player on the planet and Steph gets shut down by a small white scrub. Nice dichotomy. Bail that water, son.

saying this over and over again doesn't make it true, no matter how much you want it to. just like your baseless statements about curry "not being able to play a lick of defense" even though every objective statistic will say exactly otherwise

curry had 1 poor game in the finals... he shot 49% from the field and 46% from 3 in the other 5 games. delly was there all 6 games. so either he curry got REALLY lucky for 5 games against delly or he just had a poor game 2

[DMC]

why does it matter who the regular season mvp was? what's the difference? was bird not clearly the best player and team leader for the celtics? you're just grasping at straws

You needing to go back to 1981 to find an example. Bird had not yet come into his own in the NBA. It would be a couple more years before Bird was in his prime. Steph just won the in' league MVP but couldn't take the series MVP over a bench player from the Nuggets.

cool. and parker was the clearly best player in 2007

No argument from me.

saying this over and over again doesn't make it true, no matter how much you want it to. just like your baseless statements about curry "not being able to play a lick of defense" even though every objective statistic will say exactly otherwise

On one hand you decry argumentum ad nauseum then you employ anonymous authority. Oh Philo, just admit Curry got exposed in the Finals.

Otherwise, explain why Iggy got the nod. Just do that.