Black on black crime has, long since,been a misnomer. Hispanics and Whites both commit at least 75% of their crimes against members of their own race. Its been proven that crime is ,generally, committed close to where the perpetrator lives (most people aren't traveling 100 miles to stick someone up). Blacks are much more likely to live closer to each other (think, inner cities or "the ghetto") therefore they commit the majority of their crimes against each other.
White supremacists have used it for years to attempt to discredit black movements (civil rights or BLM) Trump actually retweeted fake black on black stats that were originally tweeted by a neo nazi group.
That being said,people ignore the thousands of activists who risk their lives to try and make a difference in their crime ridden communities. People care, quite a bit, they don't want their kids being killed.
I'm not sure you understand the levels of mistrust by blacks and Hispanic towards police. Literally, for decades, Police have been tasked with enforcing laws such as Jim Crow. Often they used harsh tactics (like high powered fire hoses, and sicking police dogs on innocent people or using batons to beat blacks).
The police self police themselves and seldom face criminal charges for criminal activities. For example, a cop ordered a man to get on the ground . He complied and the cops kicks him in the face, breaking the mans jaw. There was dashboard footage of the assault but the cop faced no charges and kept his job.
Tamir Rice, the kid in Cleveland who was playing in the park with a toy gun was killed by a cop. He claimed he warned the boy 4 times to drop the gun but eyes witnesses, video surveillance and three different experts proved that he was lying . He shot the kid less than two seconds after arriving. He didn't even go to trial and kept his job.
Jonathan Ferell got into a near fatal car accident (He flipped his car over). He went looking for help, by knocking on a door. A woman assumed he was a criminal and called the police. The cops arrived and shot the unarmed man 10 times. He cop walked after a mistrial. The police department agreed to pay the killer $180,000 in back pay and agreed not to retry him.
This is fairly common place, interactions between blacks and the police. Keep in mind those above numbers don't include. Toy guns, rocks, or small knives. Many of those situations could have been resolved with a taser or non lethal weapons.
The McDonald shooting, fits that description. Cops actually requested a taser but the cop decided shoot him twice. After the kid lay bleeding to death on the ground, the cop continued to 14 times. The police there, then lied in police reports and their superiors covered
up the cover up. By attempting to block the dash board release and deleting video surveillance from Burger king.
Protesting the police doesn't mean that blacks don't care about "black on black crime" they care about both. The police is supposed to help the issues in the black communities by helping to reduce crime, instead, they treat every people there as if they are criminals and often react in heavy handed policing.
red herrings and LIEs from the racist conservatives:
blacks don't care about black-on-black crime.
black-on-black and black-on-police crime EXCUSES the police criminally brutalizing, killing blacks and justifies conservatives trashing BlackLivesMatter.
Ties that bind: How district attorneys cleared killer cops in more than 200 cases in 2015
The case was one of 217 this year where a police officer who killed someone was cleared of wrongdoing in a process led by a prosecutor who typically works alongside the officer’s department. The total represented 85% of all killings by police that were ruled justified in 2015, according to a Guardian analysis. This week, the police officer who killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice last year in Cleveland, Ohio, was cleared in the same way .
Criminologists, civil liberties activists and lawmakers said the arrangements created serious conflicts of interest at the heart of the criminal justice system’s response to killings by police.
“Prosecutors work with police day in, day out, and typically they’re reluctant to criticise them or investigate them,” said Prof Samuel Walker of the University of Nebraska.
DescribingLugod’s case as a cause for concern, Walker said: “A major change in our standard legal practice, and the structure of our criminal justice system, is required.”
In about one in three cases that were ruled justified, including Lugod’s, the criminal inquiry work was done by the officer’s own police department, meaning the evidence used to decide if an officer should be prosecuted was prepared by the officer’s coworkers.
Only 12.5% of killings by police that were ruled justified in 2015 were handled completely independently.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/ties...cases-in-2015/
prosecutors, DA are EFFECTIVELY colleagues-in-crime of the police.
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Here's Breitbart on cue deflecting from police brutalizing, murdering blacks, and implicitly ridiculing BLM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywo...d-tyshawn-lee/
All of that makes perfect sense. I just feel that the police killings, which probably number about 150 a year when you look at the ones that are truly questionable, get so much press. Rightfully so since again, cops should be in a position to protect and this should not be happening at all.
But when compared to the number of crimes committed by non-cops? Those numbers are truly staggering, numbering in the many-thousands. To me, that is the bigger issue because of the numbers. They are really two separate issues in my book, but when something harming 150 is getting so much play vs something harming 5000?
I get there are people doing things about the 5000 as well, but it doesn't seem to be treated with the same ferocity that cops aren't treated with (and perhaps it's solely because of the distrust and abuse of power angle). Maybe it's also easier to solve the cop issue and get attention so people really focus there.
But I percentage or not, I was still absolutely shocked to see that it was white people who are killed more by cops. I guess what bothers me is that you don't see the protesters up in arms about cop killings. It's about cops killing black people. To me, if you are for a cause, be for it all. Not just for your own. Sure when you look at % of population it stands to reason that whites would have higher numbers, but when you are talking about small numbers (not trying to be callous at all), it can skew percentages. The fact is whites by far are killed more than any other person by cops. It's not something where you are just seeing all black people killed and no whites. Cops are killing more whites than anyone and total numbers of questionable killings probably equal 500 (which is a ton, again, not marginalizing) compared to the 20,000 murders by regular people.
Yes, there are bad cops. And yes, cops abusing power goes far beyond normal murder, especially with the ridiculous "blue shield". However, one number stand out much more to me as a truly massive problem and that is the number of murders by other people.
"It's about cops killing black people. To me, if you are for a cause, be for it all. Not just for your own. "
Maybe when white people start protesting about cops killing blacks, then maybe BLM will protest cops killing whites.
Law enforcement just doing for 150+ years the job the whites created them to do, oppress black people.
I think e Lee has a valid point. These same protesters of cops (including photos of the different gang members coming together) rings hollow when those rival gang members were out there killing each other with absolutely no problem. And doing it in far more shocking numbers than police killings.
His point is similar to mine: All murder is terrible. Taking a life is terrible. All being equal, cops taking lives is worse because of their authority and duty to protect, but it's not equal right now. It's not anywhere close to equal. Even if you count every police death (which all aren't questionable killings) you are talking 300 killings compared to around 5,000.
One does not excuse the other. Like e said, even though there are activist, you see so much more fire when it comes to protesting the cops than you do for gang members killing each other in shockingly alarming numbers.
I see more white people protesting these cop killings of black people than I do black people talking about the 500 whites being killed by cops (the most of any color).
of course e has a perfectly valid point, but since when does ing Breitbart or any rigthwingnut hate media give the tiniest about dead blacks?
Only when they can use the black-on-black killings to deflect from THEIR police killing blacks.
I disagree about the "it doesn't seem to be treated with the same ferocity" statement especially. People, literally risk there live to make a difference in the inner cites. People have been killed for attempting to stop or slow down gang or criminal violence in the inner cities. That statement implies that blacks don't care as much about it. They do but it doesn't get as much cover from national news outlets.
Media covers topics that appeal to the broadest segments of population. Covering the escalating violence in the inner cities, can be used to form a narrative. If you've seen the movie "Nightcrawler" it touches on some of that. They don't tend to focus so much on community activists who are trying to make a difference.
Fighting inner city crime and police brutality isn't an either or scenario. Some blacks can focus on police reform and others can focus on "black on black crime" (a misnomer, of course)
To me, Police are supposed to be a part of the solution but further the problem. Blacks adopted "stop snitching" because they are wary of cops. They refuse to talk to them because of decades of mistrust.
They can and have killed innocent blacks and Hispanics without, much if any, repercussions. The cop who choked Eric Garner to death, is still employed by the city. Meanwhile, the taxpayers were stuck with a $5 million dollar bill as a result of a civil suit aimed at the NYPD.
As for the crime committed by non cops point. They are two separate issues but blacks asking for fair treatment and prosecution for cops committing criminal acts doesn't stop other blacks from trying to curb gang violence.
Absolutely, a valid point Don't forget the "All Lives Matter" BS
You keep equating civilian crime with cop crime. Tell me, what percentage of civilian murderers get away with their crime? How many get paid leave for the terrible indignity of even being accused of murder? How many civilian murderers have their legal and civil costs paid for by taxpayers? It's not the same, at all. And the same way you can justify half of cops killings as "not questionable" whatever the that means, maybe some of those civilians feel the same way. With the police standard of "I was under threat / (I thought!) he was armed / they didn't do what I said when I said / they were committing another much lesser crime", you could easily cut down half or more of the civilian murders as well (well, unless your black, stand your ground doesn't count for you).
Finally, you are right it's not about blacks. It's about power. Poor white people get ed plenty too. Still, the overall policing of whites vs minorities is clearly biased against minorities, be it traffic stops, drug arrests (despite wide evidence that whites consume more drugs), sentencing, etc etc etc. But there's no way to deflect on civilians
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But aren't cops killing more whites than blacks or hispanics with the same impunity and lack of reprecussions?
I never equated the two. In almost every post on the matter, I explicitly acknowledged I understood the difference between cops killing & civilians.
You put 150 vs 5000 and went on to make comparisons and draw conclusions. For me, putting them together and Comparing the reaction / level of "ferocity" in two situations which you consider different is either stupid or intentionally misleading
Sorry if Im coming off like an asshole, I wouldn't take the time to post if I thought you were just trolling but I do feel pretty strongly that your analysis is off. And like I said in my other post, perception of law enforcement / justice system goes well beyond just killings.
Well, I disagree. I'm being honest and also admitted it's a very complicated issue to me and perhaps my ignorance is showing.
Like e Lee said (and perhaps he said it better than I) and I agree with that everything sort of rings hollow when you look at the comparison I posted. Of course police should be held to a much different standard and all else being equal, it is infinitely worse when someone entrusted to protect does something to betray the people.
However, I don't feel it's equal or close due to sheer numbers. Also, while white people obviously have very little to complain about, it still does bother me that while more white people are killed than any other people by police, no one says a word. It's not about cops killing people, it's about a specific group. Seems like less of a cause and more of something else.
It's all good - it's a sensitive topic that many people do (and should) feel strongly about. A lot of this isn't even my opinion as much as it is questions. It does go way beyond killings and that makes perfect sense to me focusing on that. But when looking at killings, which is what all the rage/debate is about (rightfully so), that narrow focus is what draws my questions.
But yes, obviously when broadened beyond killing to just general profiling, mistreatment and abuse of power skewed towards minorirites it paints a really ugly picture.
i would contend no. Whites don't get shoot when they are unarmed and seeking help after a serious wreck, or pulling out their wallets, or waiting for AAA by an officer who never identified themselves. Or shot 14 times as they are bleeding out on the ground
Its clear we aren't going to change each others minds, on this issue, but i disagree on your logic.
Way to racist.
White kid getting shot in his driveway changed the law in the Northwest. They didn't use ty divisive rhetoric and thinking like this. Sure black people are marginalized and taken advantage of at a much higher rate but to pretend that blacks are the only victim is completely counterproductive. If you insist on being considered differently then don't complain when you are treated differently.
So all the white people killed by cops, which greatly out number anyone else, all deserved it while the minorities are being wrongfully killed? Sounds a bit off
Aren't most of these killings being done at night? Please tell me why people aren't at home eating dinner, watching TV, playing video/computer games, etc? Why are they out on the street?
Show me where i said that, or even implied that. I was referring to specific incidents. Those are examples that actually happened to blacks at the hands of police. I should have been more clear on that.
I been pretty clear in the past about my stance on police brutality, i wasn't in that past quote. By no means did I mean that being white and killed by the police means that they deserve it. The examples that i gave in that post were one's that actually happened to blacks at the hands of police.
I meant to use those examples to counter DPGs logic that since Caucasians are killed by police in higher, raw, totals then blacks should focus more on stopping black on black crime. My point is that the raw totals may be higher for Caucasians that doesn't mean they are treated worse by the police than minorities are. That's not to say they aren't.
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