If I WAS going to make the argument for "best peak year" for a spurs player, Kawhi is at least in that conversation with his play this year, assuming he continues his high level of 2 way play for the whole year. Given that Kawhi is not at his physical peak to come around age 28, I will give him a few more years before we shut the door on that topic, but let the guy finish the year first at least before we look hard at it.
Even then, TD and D-rob both had some spectacular years.
as for Manu's place in all time nba/spurs lists, yes, he deserves consideration, and he is amazing in his efficiency even today. However, we have to admit, he never had to carry the team from a scoring perspective for any appreciable amount of time, and he suffers from his relatively low minutes per game, his fragility, and the fact that he had just as many MASSIVE fails in key moments as he had magnificent clutch moments.
"I don't care about any of that. I just want to win championships"
If he had such MASSIVE FAILS as you say then what about Gervin and DRob? they were playoff failures.
Most times Manu had to make decisions because nobody had the balls to do something and now he is a massive failure entrepreneur.
Why can't we all focus our hate on where it belongs......................
Matt Bonner.
It's a lot simpler than that.
OP is a ing tool, and enjoys spending years of his life trying to be edgy because he lives in the perpetual state of mind of someone who's never left middle school.
Ok, let me give you my full impression, because for the record, I see manu and parker as very similar in terms of spurs success, career-wise other than the tie-breaker of parker playing more minutes and having more responsibility for scoring for several years:
best passing SG of all time consideration.
Definitely had MANY clutch moments in the playoffs;
could have easily been the FMVP instead of parker in 2007.
BUT:
Manu's last second foul on Dirk in game 7 cost us a chance in 2006.
Manu had a TERRIBLE finals series in 2013 overall; if he played average, we have 6 championships.
8 turnovers in key game 6.
He had a turnover % of 23%, and the worst defensive rating for a spur in the mainline rotation during that series per basketballreference.com.
(tP was not that much better tho, tbh).
I know, I mean hate absorption is the very reason he was resigned.
Bonner is life
Parker was the FMVP because of the Longoria thing NBA loves that kind of stuff they were showing videos of those 2 during the finals there is no way other player was gonna get the award, 2007 was Duncan´s year and 2005 Manu´s year.
Didnt cost us a chance, there was an overtime
0:17.9 115-111 M. Finley misses 3-pt shot from 24 ft 0:15.9 Defensive rebound by J. Terry 115-111 0:15.9 Personal foul by R. Horry (drawn by J. Terry) 115-111 0:15.9 J. Terry makes free throw 1 of 2 +1 116-111 0:15.9 A. Griffin enters the game for D. Diop 116-111 0:15.9 J. Terry makes free throw 2 of 2 +1 117-111 0:15.9 117-111 San Antonio 20 second timeout 0:15.9 117-111 B. Bowen enters the game for R. Horry 0:11.9 117-111 T. Duncan misses 3-pt shot from 26 ft 0:11.8 Defensive rebound by Team 117-111 0:09.9 Personal foul by T. Parker (drawn by D. Nowitzki) 117-111 0:09.9 D. Nowitzki makes free throw 1 of 2 +1 118-111 0:09.9 D. Nowitzki makes free throw 2 of 2 +1 119-111 0:04.9 119-111 M. Finley misses 3-pt shot from 27 ft 0:02.9 Defensive rebound by A. Griffin 119-111 0:00.0 End of 1st overtime And Parker shooting 6/23 during game 6 had nothing to do I guess, neither DG shooting 1/7, yes he had 8 turnovers but 6/23 is inexcusable, besides Gay Ray travelled and the last play during overtime was a joke, Manu was fouled and they gave freebies to Gay.
Manu was there for game 7 but some other players were thinking about packing their stuff and going home, Parker 3/12, DG 1/12, Neal 2/7.
When Manu ed up things there was and overtime yet to be played and in 2013 another game so blaming him for the horrible performances his team mates had is unfair.
Considering he won in Europe, with his NT and with Spurs he cant be such a Massive Failure menace after all.
Lolz
Did you miss 2005? Manu only a few years of a prime? It's like you've only watched the Spurs for the last three years.
Did anyone watch 2006 series with Mavs. We were down in the series and Manu resurrection brought us back. He was an absolute stud. And many forget we were down 20+ in that game 7 and none other than Manu brought us back. Sure it was a bad decision on that Dirk foul, but Manu is a gambler and he was looking for a big play. If he gets a block on that play, he's the hero. I can't blame guys willing to take that chance in the heat of battle. I'll take a 50% Manu into the playoffs any day, but he's had lots of great moments in a stellar career. Easily top 5 Spur and possibly top 4. Kawhi has a lot to accomplish before he can be in the top 5 of Spurs, though he's off to a great start.
Best passer and arguably most creative playmaking Spur
One of the greatest passers in NBA history. Manu may not be a top 10 player but he's going to have a top five highlight reel, IMO.
He'll never be top 3 as far as individual accolades... that's fine. But IMO, the "Big 4" of Pop/TD/TP/Manu are the top 4 from a franchise perspective. I know the usual argument to this is that the franchise wouldn't be here if Gervin wasn't around or DRob wasn't around, but what if these 4 guys wouldn't have found their way here? I don't think the Spurs would've survived either, and on top of that, they gave us continued success and 5 championships (and counting). Hope everyone that followed the Spurs long enough are soaking it all in, because these are the "good times".
why behind drob?
Duncan was th man in 05.... That's not really debatable. Manu hasn't been a legit star player for more than 5 years now.
Actually it is debatable. Duncan won the MVP vote over Manu by one vote. They were both great, but it was an uphill battle for Manu to get the MVP over Duncan given that Duncan was recognized as the best power forward of all time by 2005.
Manu didn't give the assist to Horry in game 5 vs. Detroit. That was brent Barry. However, menu's impact was greater than some here give him credit for. Case in point, late season injuries in both 2008, and 2011 caused the team to look completely different afterwards, given their heavy reliance on his creativity and play making abilities before. To quote Doug Collins' mantra throughout those years, "the spurs are very good, Manu makes them special". That said, I'm happy to have all of those guys, and for my money, Sean belongs on that list somewhere.
Now I'm second guessing myself. Was it brent or manu, the game 5assist?
Says the guy who openly s on Kawhi to pump his own Parker agenda.just for those who are not yet familiar with OP work, trolling is in first sentence. Thread is not really about Manu but about his man crush for Kawhi... Player fans... Smh
i particularly love the possibly Duncan
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