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    Big food? That's a pretty cool buzzword. Go to any butcher shop and buy meat. Price isn't much difference. Corn was blamed for the cost of almost anything.


    Where's the outrage?

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    Big food? That's a pretty cool buzzword. Go to any butcher shop and buy meat. Price isn't much difference. Corn was blamed for the cost of almost anything.


    Where's the outrage?
    Uh oh. We've got a defensive corn farmer on our hands here.

    Lap up any crop insurance subsidies this season?

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    Sigh. Texas and California are irrelevant when it comes to corn production. Lots of chickens and pigs on pasture there?


    Even the price of diet coke was somehow blamed on corn.

    3.8% yty increase in healthcare is considered a win yet noones interested nin why food isn't cheaper?

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    Uh oh. We've got a defensive corn farmer on our hands here.

    Lap up any crop insurance subsidies this season?
    Out of ammo?

    I would prefer no insurance but I am required to have it.

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    Sigh. Texas and California are irrelevant when it comes to corn production. Lots of chickens and pigs on pasture there?


    Even the price of diet coke was somehow blamed on corn.

    3.8% yty increase in healthcare is considered a win yet noones interested nin why food isn't cheaper?
    I'm interested. Why isn't it relatively cheaper than right now?

    Given the prices of energy and other goods, most people can stand paying more for food right now. So there's your lack of outrage.

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    Why isn't it relatively cheaper than right now?
    A few old timers blame Obamacare.

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    Sigh. Texas and California are irrelevant when it comes to corn production. Lots of chickens and pigs on pasture there?


    Even the price of diet coke was somehow blamed on corn.

    3.8% yty increase in healthcare is considered a win yet noones interested nin why food isn't cheaper?
    Move the goal post much? I said prices have seen a recent drop and you said beef, pork and eggs are all significantly higher than in 2012. Now you're saying Texas And California are irrelevant to the price of corn...

    Can you even lay out the premise of your argument? Who is not passing on these cost savings? Producers? Retailers? What's your ing point?

    It's like I'm dealing with a ing corn farmer

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    So how many folks have seen their grocery bills cut in half compared to a few years ago with half price grains and $1 diesel?

    Seem to remember the price of corn was to blame for that.
    Seems as if the goalpost is still centered on the price of corn and fuel in regards to food.

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    A few old timers blame Obamacare.
    Your thoughts are welcome. Wait. I forget this forum is based around hyperlinks and bashing people. It's like a middle school class of boys without the puberty issues.

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    Seems as if the goalpost is still centered on the price of corn and fuel in regards to food.
    fertilizer and other ag chem comes from oil.

    corn and soy products, being so cheap, taint nearly all of BigFood's garbage.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 01-27-2016 at 04:03 PM.

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    Seems as if the goalpost is still centered on the price of corn and fuel in regards to food.
    So who in the supply chain is pocketing these savings from fuel and grain? Is it that these costs are now being shifted to healthcare and not passed on to consumers? Is this what you're trying to argue?

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    Seems as if the goalpost is still centered on the price of corn and fuel in regards to food.
    Your thoughts are welcome. Wait. I forget this forum is based around hyperlinks and bashing people. It's like a middle school class of boys without the puberty issues.
    OK, your thoughts are welcome. My personal experience is that food is rising more slowly than land values locally, so I give less of a about the food prices. Also inflation overall has been so low since the recession that inflation for food and goods prices have barely registered to me in that time. I have given even less thought to the actual causes.

    What do you say are the causes?

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    Obama made TSA's avocados more expensive.
    Avocados hit record lows this year dip . The volume coming out of Mexico is insane, over 40 million pounds a week, 70 million projected to cross next week for Super Bowl. You'd have seen that in the stores if you ever shopped for and cooked your own meals.

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    The cost of food off the farm is small fraction of the retail price "on the table". Middlemen and commodity traders are the main costs.

    That's why BigFood makes dead, industrial, food-like, pathogenic substances in packages. There's more profit there.
    grower/packer/shipper here. We work off 5% of what we pay our growers, sometimes less. Price gouging is done by the retailers, not us.

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    Your thoughts are welcome. Wait. I forget this forum is based around hyperlinks and bashing people. It's like a middle school class of boys without the puberty issues.
    why are you asking here then? looks like you already knew the answer you wanted or didn't want to hear...

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    Really? The graphs for beef pork and eggs are all significantly higher than 2012. What prices are you finding?
    Pork ( e in 2014):
    As Pig Virus Spreads, The Price Of Pork Continues To Rise

    Eggs ( e in 2015):
    Bird flu es egg prices; some hit $3 a dozen

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    So who in the supply chain is pocketing these savings from fuel and grain? Is it that these costs are now being shifted to healthcare and not passed on to consumers? Is this what you're trying to argue?
    Would prefer to converse with someone that is not a troll.

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    OK, your thoughts are welcome. My personal experience is that food is rising more slowly than land values locally, so I give less of a about the food prices. Also inflation overall has been so low since the recession that inflation for food and goods prices have barely registered to me in that time. I have given even less thought to the actual causes.

    What do you say are the causes?
    I don't believe the inflation numbers. Maybe it's too much zero hedge but look up receipts over the past ten years and compare to prices now. I know you said post recession but i doubt all those numbers. Not sure what type of land your referring to.


    Chicken and hogs get new diseases all the time. It was still blamed on corn in 2012.


    I think theres too many middle men along the way. Equipment shot up when iron was high but never went back down. Similar situation.

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    Would prefer to converse with someone that is not a troll.
    out of ammo?

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    As a small business I can say that health care is the biggest expense that typically goes up 10%+ a year. Probably the next biggest annual increase is property taxes. Even protesting that's good for 5% a year. Liability and comp is another one whose increase "beats" inflation every year. All the increases that exceed the inflation rate can be directly linked to government in one way or another.

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    As a small business I can say that health care is the biggest expense that typically goes up 10%+ a year. Probably the next biggest annual increase is property taxes. Even protesting that's good for 5% a year. Liability and comp is another one whose increase "beats" inflation every year. All the increases that exceed the inflation rate can be directly linked to government in one way or another.
    How were increases in healthcare costs linked to government pre-ACA?

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    How were increases in healthcare costs linked to government pre-ACA?


    How is health care NOT irrevocably linked to government?

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    How is health care NOT irrevocably linked to government?
    I'm specifically of the increase in cost. How did the government drive up costs of healthcare pre-ACA? That's your claim, is it not?

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    I'm specifically of the increase in cost. How did the government drive up costs of healthcare pre-ACA? That's your claim, is it not?
    Just stop a minute and think how stupid your question is. I understand your determination to argue with me at any cost but at least try to have a good take occasionally.

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    Just stop a minute and think how stupid your question is. I understand your determination to argue with me at any cost but at least try to have a good take occasionally.
    Forgive me, but you'll have to expound. Was it the tax breaks for businesses that were driving up the cost? The fact that the government refused to negotiate the cost of drugs?

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