more Russian TV news rhetoric from shillbot.
Crimea was criminal expansion which meets the standard of imperial expansion. The proxy war they are playing in Ukraine the same. What has NATO done?
Ukraines president being couped by neonazi criminals is equivalent to Panamas president being couped by a drug cartel. You don't think USA would protect their interests in the Panama Canal?? Crimea is pretty much Russia's Panama Canal
NATO became a sham when the 2nd largest economy in NATO and 4th largest economy in the world decided not to have a functional military.
Germany’s army is so under-equipped that it used broomsticks instead of machine guns
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-machine-guns/
They outline it a bit more in the article.
NATO just doesn't have the Force that the Rooskies could bring to bear. We have known this for a long time, this just quantifies it, and puts an exclamation point on it.
http://www.janes.com/article/52745/g...fence-spending
They voted shortly after that to bump defense spending.
They still lean on us too much. It is irritating seeing the EU do that.
Panama Canal is not really all that important to the US, either economically, or militarily, FYI.
Ukraines president being couped by neonazi criminals is equivalent to Panamas president being couped by a drug cartel. You don't think USA would protect their interests in the Panama Canal?? Crimea is pretty much Russia's Panama Canal
140 billion over 15 years is nothing considering how far they let their military decline.
tell that to 1980-2000 USA. they killed Panamanian president Omar Torrijos for it. They also bombed Panama City with the excuse to get ONE GUY (noriega for drug charges) ONE ING GUY. they killed thousands of civilians in the bombing just to get ONE GUY. apparently. (right, it had nothing to do with Noriega being drug connected but because Noriega stopped following US orders)
yeah, Panama Canal didn't mean anything to USA
heres some truth dose on this issue:
As Human Rights Watch wrote, even conservative estimates of civilian fatalities suggested "that the rule of proportionality and the duty to minimize harm to civilians… were not faithfully observed by the invading US forces." That may have been putting it mildly when it came to the indiscriminant bombing of a civilian population, but the point at least was made. Civilians were given no notice. The Cobra and Apache helicopters that came over the ridge didn't bother to announce their pending arrival by blasting Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" (as in Apocalypse Now). The University of Panama's seismograph marked 442 major explosions in the first 12 hours of the invasion, about one major bomb blast every two minutes. Fires engulfed the mostly wooden homes, destroying about 4,000 residences. Some residents began to call El Chorrillo "Guernica" or "little Hiroshima." Shortly after hostilities ended, bulldozers excavated mass graves and shoveled in the bodies. "Buried like dogs," said the mother of one of the civilian dead.
that's right. US soliders buried the Panamanian civilians like dogs...
US bombing and invasion of Panama makes Russian in Crimea look like Tibetan Monks
Something else we can agree on.
Thousands? Even your own links, if you follow through don't peg it at that high. Hundreds, which is what Human rights watch puts it at.tell that to 1980-2000 USA. they killed Panamanian president Omar Torrijos for it. They also bombed Panama City with the excuse to get ONE GUY (noriega for drug charges) ONE ING GUY. they killed thousands of civilians in the bombing just to get ONE GUY. apparently. (right, it had nothing to do with Noriega being drug connected but because Noriega stopped following US orders)
yeah, Panama Canal didn't mean anything to USA
heres some truth dose on this issue:
As Human Rights Watch wrote, even conservative estimates of civilian fatalities suggested "that the rule of proportionality and the duty to minimize harm to civilians… were not faithfully observed by the invading US forces." That may have been putting it mildly when it came to the indiscriminant bombing of a civilian population, but the point at least was made. Civilians were given no notice. The Cobra and Apache helicopters that came over the ridge didn't bother to announce their pending arrival by blasting Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" (as in Apocalypse Now). The University of Panama's seismograph marked 442 major explosions in the first 12 hours of the invasion, about one major bomb blast every two minutes. Fires engulfed the mostly wooden homes, destroying about 4,000 residences. Some residents began to call El Chorrillo "Guernica" or "little Hiroshima." Shortly after hostilities ended, bulldozers excavated mass graves and shoveled in the bodies. "Buried like dogs," said the mother of one of the civilian dead.
https://www.hrw.org/legacy/campaigns...ma91_appen.htmThese figures appear to indicate, therefore, that at least 280 to 305 civilians, and possibly more, died in Panama, which is very near our estimate of 300,
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/01/wo...eath-toll.html
Crimea's illegal annexation was carried out fairly bloodlessly. Kudos to the little green men for that.
East Ukraine...not so much. They still made out better than Chechnya.
Yes, my country voted for NATO membership, the decision was sold as part of the same process as joining the EU and the referendum was even held on the same day. Anyway 75% of people now don't support any increase in military spending and it would be a political suicide for any party to champion such increase. If you want to kick us out, go ahead. I'm sure there will be much jubilation on our streets.
Honorable.
The industrial, productive might of USA + EU vastly outweighs the 100% corrupt facade of Putin. If Putin did invade Baltics, he would lose but the warfare would destroy the Baltics.
Plus, Putin's oil revenues from the world market are way down, as they were when they collapsed the USSR in the 1980s, exposing USSRs military/industrical might as a facade.
Crimea was criminal expansion which meets the standard of imperial expansion. The proxy war they are playing in Ukraine the same. What has NATO done?You didn't really answer the question.
Ukraines president being couped by neonazi criminals is equivalent to Panamas president being couped by a drug cartel. You don't think USA would protect their interests in the Panama Canal?? Crimea is pretty much Russia's Panama Canal
NATO didn't invade Panama.
What has NATO done that is equivalent to occupying and annexing another sovereign country's territory?
So assassinating a sitting president and invading and bombing another is not a sign of criminal imperial expansion???
wow just wow
Why then, should the US subsidize your defense, if you don't want to share the cost? We already let Germany sponge off us.
That is the thing about treaties, they work both ways. Easy to vote to let others pay, I guess.
Crimea was criminal expansion which meets the standard of imperial expansion. The proxy war they are playing in Ukraine the same. What has NATO done?
Ukraines president being couped by neonazi criminals is equivalent to Panamas president being couped by a drug cartel. You don't think USA would protect their interests in the Panama Canal?? Crimea is pretty much Russia's Panama CanalAgain, not an answer to the question.So assassinating a sitting president and invading and bombing another is not a sign of criminal imperial expansion???
NATO did not invade Panama. Nor, for that matter did Noriega die in the attack.
3rd time:
Crimea was criminal expansion which meets the standard of imperial expansion. The proxy war [Russia is] playing in Ukraine the same. What has NATO done?
Omar Torrijos died. Murdered by the CIA because he was taking back control of the canal through the treaty signed with Carter.
US not only broke the treaty but also killed the Panamanian president for good measure.
They also installed Noriega as their man in Panama but after Noriega stopped following their orders, they decided to invade and bomb Panama.
Criminal Imperialism at its finest.
Then don't "subsidize" it. It looks like you have a problem with your goverment, not us. I don't see how getting involved in Syria, Iraq... helps our "defense" anyway. I would argue it does the opposite.
Our army is useless anyway and as far as i see it, it's just a very expensive LARP for meatheads, who coldn't get jobs anywhere else.
truth nukem
Slovenia is a country of 2 million people, not scared of Russia, and ST posters trying to get silly Americans an ocean away from the putative threat, to piss their pants.
OTOH, what about the Baltics? Irredentism, and so forth.
Nostalgia of the previous border can be internally persuasive. Whether the game is worth the candle is another thing, but the swagger short of outright war mobilizes patriots.
as a state in decline, Russian internal relations are crucial for the current regime.
Smiting or threatening to smite the decadent west, seems to work. a campaign of murder against crusading journalists and putting the political opposition in jail does the rest.
it's bad for the country when you constantly seek to make the opposition illegal and put them in jail.
Politics isn't all about who you hate. It's also about making good policy with other people whom you respect but do not agree with, for the people you represent.
Agreement is underrated.
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