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Tspence trolling us tbh
Tbh. And lol @ anyone saying the Spurs wouldn't do this. Getting an all star center for a 3-D SG is a no brainer imo.
Tspence trolling us tbh
Tspence's word is law bruh.
Setting aside the dubious source, isn't Al on the last year of his deal? Wouldn't he either be an expensive rental or someone the Spurs would have to pay a massive max salary under the new cap environment? If the latter Im not sure he's worth that, and neither does ATL which is why he's being shopped.
I love Al but even if this is something that gets more fuller consideration in the summer it just doesn't make sense from a personnel point. Spurs already have two post dominant players for their positions in LMA and Leonard. It seems like adding a third would kill and already spacing challenged team.
That said, salaries do match at this time. Will not be the case this summer.
Danny is an important asset. A lot of you don't appreciate his defense.
Horford can shoot from outside better than Aldridge and is a of a man defender. He, Leonard, and LMA would be really good, but it would definitely take time. And yeah, sacrificing a starting guard for another big isn't the smartest decision, even if a guy like Korver comes back in the deal.
Two thoughts:
1. What i is Bazemore coming back instead of Korver.
2. Doesn't ATL run the same stuff the Spurs do? That might help a transition.
What did I wake up to? Danny green for al horford
Now I know why bud went to Atlanta on some spurs special forces .
On a seriousness note, Green, Milutinov, Bertans and 2017 first?
Posts like this make no sense. The point of the speculation wasn't that it was going to be straight up. If you think that adding in non-salary assets can make up the difference, then you are affirming the original structure of the trade. In that same way, my Diaw and Mills offer wasn't JUST Diaw and Mills. And Boston's offer isn't going to JUST be David Lee. But trade-machine-wise, it will be structured as Horford for Lee.What did I wake up to? Danny green for al horford
Now I know why bud went to Atlanta on some spurs special forces .
On a seriousness note, Green, Milutinov, Bertans and 2017 first?
Last edited by Chinook; 02-15-2016 at 10:00 AM.
Sound compe ive with a Boston offer. Would hate to part with Bertans though.
1. It's better, but Kent wouldn't be re-signable by the Spurs due to his Early-Bird status combined with the Spurs not having cap space. Two-year deals are among the worst contracts for vets, as Atlanta should have learned with Carroll. Would rather have Sef from purely a roster standpoint even though that guy can blow chunks in the post-season.\
2. They have similar philosophies, but they are more of a three-point-shooting team and dribble-drive team, while the Spurs are post- and midrange-oriented. While Green (or Mills and Diaw) wouldn't have much of an issue sliding back into a catch-and-shoot role off penetration, the Hawks players haven't been running Spurs-style offense, and they'd have to adjust. That's probably most true for Horford, who hasn't played with anyone like LMA or Tim (Millsap is actually pretty similar to Kawhi).
By mentioning milutinov and bertans, I was realizing for myself that we do have a couple valuable assets. Not sure I'd want to trade bertans though. The Latvian sniper is unreal. And we have picks. How much better could Atlanta do, in my scenario. I even think my deal is too much.
So what would your best offer look like? I posted mine. And yes I initially laughed at the idea but I guess it's because I have in the past underrated Green. He is on a team friendly deal and locked up for a few more years which is valuable with the cap going up.
I do like the idea of diaw, green, a prospect for korver and horford. Sure there will be a curve because of the new pieces but if you're looking short-term and long-term like patfo does it makes sense in the aspect that if you don't trade for him you're looking at guys like Noah, hibbert, Mozgov or a pick thus risking your frontline for a couple years.
Generally I don't entertain these trades but given the scope of this new era, I wouldn't be surprised if a move is made and I do think we have the assets.
All imo
It's not about this season tho right?? This trade is all about post Duncan and not about winning championship this year. It's all about balancing the two. I mean honestly what are the chances we win it this year?? With the health of Big 3 being extremely inconsistent it makes you wonder if a risk like this is worth it.
I think we would still have a chance. The risk would be not having enough time to gel. A little less than half a season and the first round may be worth the risk for a top five center who fits what you want to do. But my question is can we realistically do better? I don't think so, so you have to at least talk to the hawks about it. I've posted before Horford was my dream scenario in free agency.
I honestly think that Bertans is getting massively overrated on this board. Dude is tall, has hops and can shoot well, but he's oft-injured, can't defend and is going to turn 24 next season. He's not even worth a late pick until he gets some time in the US to show what he can do. It would be awesome to see him, LJC and Cady in the summer league, but he's probably closer to even with those two as a prospect in my eyes.
I went with Mills, Diaw and three firsts, though the fact that Atlanta doesn't have a non-Schoder PG prospect on a cheap deal makes it non-ideal. I don't want to give the ball to McCallum, and I even less want to to into 206-2017 without a developmental guy locked up for four years. So if it could be tweaked to get someone like that into the fold, I'd feel comfortable with the trade.So what would your best offer look like? I posted mine. And yes I initially laughed at the idea but I guess it's because I have in the past underrated Green. He is on a team friendly deal and locked up for a few more years which is valuable with the cap going up
While I certainly get the logic, it's not that dire. If Tim comes back, then you deal with the rotation you have with at least one of Cady, Bertans and LJC coming over to move into the prospect role. Only potentially tough decision would be West vs Boban, but this isn't the thread for that. If Tim leaves, I absolutely see West coming back and starting for another year. If they can make it through next season, they can use their massive cap space to hit the 2017 free-agent market, where guys like Ibaka and Griffin will be UFAs and guys like Noel will be RFAs.I do like the idea of diaw, green, a prospect for korver and horford. Sure there will be a curve because of the new pieces but if you're looking short-term and long-term like patfo does it makes sense in the aspect that if you don't trade for him you're looking at guys like Noah, hibbert, Mozgov or a pick thus risking your frontline for a couple years.
I do think you're correct in that the Spurs are entering a different era. Some fans don't realize it's not going to be same old, same old. It started with the trade for Leonard. It intensified with the signing of LMA. But it's going to peak with them throwing a ton of cash at guys in 2017. But I don't think Green is going to be gone unless the Spurs can grade a two-guard who can carry the team. Would have to be someone as good as people think McCollum or Clarkson is, but in their primes. I don't think he's on the block this season, especially given his recent performance.Generally I don't entertain these trades but given the scope of this new era, I wouldn't be surprised if a move is made and I do think we have the assets.
All imo
Agreed on all fronts. You literally can't do better...and time is key like you said. But it really boils down to what we give up and what's returning to unsure if we can make it work chemistry wise in 30+ games or so.
Adding Horford tho will allow us to impose our will in the playoffs a lot easier. Spurs must avoid small ball at all cost IMO
Al's wife is a former Miss Universe.
Tony will help Green pack.
Exactly on both fronts. This is why this doesn't make much sense, and also why Boston is low balling. 30% of $90 million (+/-) means a full max deal is $27 million next year. I don't blame Boston for low-balling. I'll take Danny at $11 million plus the $16 million of extra cap space over Horford every time. I don't know what $16 million affords you under the new cap, but this shows how valuable existing contracts are.
It's his shooting, it's deadly. Imo he is in a tier ahead of cady and ljc. His shooting is what makes him special. Look at the rate the 3pt shot has grown over the past few years. A lights out shooter is at a premium. I would imagine teams see him with the range he has and release and are salivating. Or he could be the next jimmer.just saying, I'm buying stock in bertans. The only question is his health.
[QUOTE/] I went with Mills, Diaw and three firsts, though the fact that Atlanta doesn't have a non-Schoder PG prospect on a cheap deal makes it non-ideal. I don't want to give the ball to McCallum, and I even less want to to into 206-2017 without a developmental guy locked up for four years. So if it could be tweaked to get someone like that into the fold, I'd feel comfortable with the trade.[/QUOTE]
I'll keep this short, no way would I give up three firsts for Horford. We build through the draft and with the success rate we 've had our picks are way more valuable to us.
[QUOTE/] While I certainly get the logic, it's not that dire. If Tim comes back, then you deal with the rotation you have with at least one of Cady, Bertans and LJC coming over to move into the prospect role. Only potentially tough decision would be West vs Boban, but this isn't the thread for that. If Tim leaves, I absolutely see West coming back and starting for another year. If they can make it through next season, they can use their massive cap space to hit the 2017 free-agent market, where guys like Ibaka and Griffin will be UFAs and guys like Noel will be RFAs. [/QUOTE]
Griffin, ibaka, and Noel are power forwards. We will need a center and these guys are not spurs. Aldridge plays best as power forward against smaller players. We need a rim protector next to him. And when you have a chance to get a talent like horfords with the character he has, he's the best fit. Going into this new era, you don't want to sacrifice your morale for talent and as of now we have a three year window while Aldridge is here to show him we mean business and win a chip or else he might leave too. Horford is talented and he fits the mold and so would Korver for that matter.
[QUOTE/] I do think you're correct in that the Spurs are entering a different era. Some fans don't realize it's not going to be same old, same old. It started with the trade for Leonard. It intensified with the signing of LMA. But it's going to peak with them throwing a ton of cash at guys in 2017. But I don't think Green is going to be gone unless the Spurs can grade a two-guard who can carry the team. Would have to be someone as good as people think McCollum or Clarkson is, but in their primes. I don't think he's on the block this season, especially given his recent performance.[/QUOTE]
Yeah things will be different. Seeing us in a bidding war would make me sick before because we would lose but now we might actually have an attractive winning situation. I think if we can bypass this we do though.
Edit: well I tried...
Horford for Danny.. yea okay
If Atlanta calls with this trade proposal, you don't let them off the hook until the paperwork is signed. You get an All-Star for DG (A big for a small), you pull the trigger as quick as possible. This deal is a no-brainer and probably has no merit whatsoever. Too good to be true.
Yeah
The love affair with Danny Green by some posters (I'm looking right at you Chinook) is beyond silly. Green's defense and shooting has been sub-par this year. Just watch how fast Pop pulls Green off the floor for defensive mistakes. If there is one player on the roster that Pop has dreams of strangling, it's Green.
Spurs ain't ringing this year. I just don't see it. I don't even see them getting past the 2nd round tbh.
While teams are generally free to do what they will with players, a deal like this one (which won't happen, since the deals the Spurs actually make almost never are the subject of rumors) might inspire an investigation into the nepotism between Pop and Bud.
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