2016 NBA Trade Deadline

[rasuo214]

If the Spurs are set on competing this season then the SL + Manu, Patty, Diaw and West will be off limits. Simmons, Anderson, Boban, Butler and McCallum are the realistic trade options.

If the Spurs could get Mclemore (could be developed into a Danny/Simmons hybrid) + someone like MCW without trading anyone from the core I would consider that a success.

[Duncanforthree]

The Tiago/Danny PnR is going to wreck the league. Bud:

Source: Morning News USA

Liked.

[Kawhitstorm]

that is another pipedream. You seem intent on picking up a fight with me when I see your point on MCW clearly. Anderson is being played as a forward by Pop. Most of his real minutes coming as both a 3 and 4, which was also what he played in SL and dleague. Good luck convincing the bucks on giving up MCW for him. They are strong in forwards as it is and need guards. In fact they probably want Patty who can shoot the 3, which is what they really want. We can't afford to loose Patty though. He's our biggest bench scorer without Manu. He's so important to our bench' s offense that we may need to live with Livingston, Austin Rivers and Any other bench guard owning him.

They could sign Jimmer tomorrow (or Isaiah Cannan in the Summer) & have him launch 3s while Fathead comes off the bench to preserve their lanky forward rotation instead of trading for Patty.

[Kawhitstorm]

All valid points, but is it worth giving up promising players with chemistry for a player who's only use (this year) would be a defensive specialist? If Danny, Kawhi and possibly Simmons could fill that use where does that put MCW?

Simmons is a terrible off ball defender/fouls too much along with being a shaky ball handler thus is practically unplayable in the playoffs.

[SAGirl]

The Bucks had an aggressive controlled gambling style of defense last year which worked because they could switch and rotate. Now with Jabari And Monroe, who can't close out on shooters, that defense doesn't work. If they are still running that it would explain their ty D this year. The reason I bring this up is I'm wondering if he can play man to man(like the spurs) or if he thrives in chaos; how are his basic defense principals?

Even is he can defend some guard threats we have, I still don't like him offensively; can't shoot, turns the ball over. Maybe I'm underestimating him though. With some structure maybe he can succeed. If your endorsing him there is definitely a reason to look more carefully. Something to consider is will he get any playing time if he doesn't know the system especially in the second unit and doublely so if one expects him to handle the ball.

He's good defensively, that is the extent of my endorsement. He has the tools and is quick enough to bother guards, really challenge shots and close them out.

I think he would be better than Simmons. If you swap them Simmons would turn the ball over at a worse rate in the bucks and get torched on top of that. That point which Kawhitsorm was making I agree with and I can't say Simmons is better offensively bc b4 playing for our SL team, Simmons played for the Nets and he was terrible. He was very inefficient and looked like a scrub. In the Spurs he shined. The system matters. Throw Simmons in a lotto team and he would be terrible, you could see flashes of athleticism but all these guys in lotto teams have that. I do like Simmons more bc he's shown flashes of shooting the 3.

If the trade was for Ray I would be fir it bc Ray isn't playing and his role was really to hustle and play defense (he's been solid on that end IMO, he just doesn't have the size and length MCW has). If the trade was for Simmons I think RC would 've reluctant. Simmons has no midrange game, but has shot the 3. He may yet in time evolve to shoot it more, that has a premium when combined with his athleticism. If the trade was for Anderson I already stated long ago and more than once that I wasn't against it, but I don't see that as an option bc Bucks have a lot of forward s already and not enough guards who can shoot.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Simmons is a terrible off ball defender/fouls too much along with being a shaky ball handler thus is practically unplayable in the playoffs.

Is MCW any better in this department than Simmons? Also, with not being accustomed the offence and defense would he be unplayable in the playoffs as well? Who would be better for the future? I'm not 100% opposed to a trade. It depends on how we would get him.

[All Mighty Janitor]

He's good defensively, that is the extent of my endorsement. He has the tools and is quick enough to bother guards, really challenge shots and close them out.

I think he would be better than Simmons. If you swap them Simmons would turn the ball over at a worse rate in the bucks and get torched on top of that. That point which Kawhitsorm was making I agree with and I can't say Simmons is better offensively bc b4 playing for our SL team, Simmons played for the Nets and he was terrible. He was very inefficient and looked like a scrub. In the Spurs he shined. The system matters. Throw Simmons in a lotto team and he would be terrible, you could see flashes of athleticism but all these guys in lotto teams have that. I do like Simmons more bc he's shown flashes of shooting the 3.

If the trade was for Ray I would be fir it bc Ray isn't playing and his role was really to hustle and play defense (he's been solid on that end IMO, he just doesn't have the size and length MCW has). If the trade was for Simmons I think RC would 've reluctant. Simmons has no midrange game, but has shot the 3. He may yet in time evolve to shoot it more, that has a premium when combined with his athleticism. If the trade was for Anderson I already stated long ago and more than once that I wasn't against it, but I don't see that as an option bc Bucks have a lot of forward s already and not enough guards who can shoot.

If the trade is for Ray I would do it immediately, but I don't think that is realistic. And I hear everything both of you are saying. I just like Simmons I guess. I see more upside(even if he's older) and he knows the system some. I think Simmons is better to finish out the year and better for the future as well. I agree with you about Anderson though; maybe a three way trade but not straight up.

[szkorhetz]

Guys, stop the pipedream.
The Bucks won't give us MCW for basically free.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I know Pop's been changing in the past few years, but I can't see him bringing in an extremely turnover prone, non-shooting PG in mid-season. I think his head would explode during some game. Well either his, or MCW's.

[Kawhitstorm]

I know Pop's been changing in the past few years, but I can't see him bringing in an extremely turnover prone, non-shooting PG in mid-season. I think his head would explode during some game. Well either his, or MCW's.

Big Dummy, he WON'T be playing point guard (see Shumpert)

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Big Dummy, he WON'T be playing point guard (see Shumpert)

Perhaps you get off on some fantasy alternative universe stuff, but in the NBA MCW has played 98% of the time as a PG and the little time he's spent off the ball he's shot .143 from 3.

[r0drig0lac]

MCW for Kyle I'd do...not for Patty though

[cd021]

You really think MCW is good defensively? I haven't seen much of the bucks (or Philly when he was there) and when I do I don't pay him much attention. His metrics had/have him as a bad defender(and a bad player overall) I think. What kind of defensive skills does he have?

I don't watch them much either but i've consistently heard that he is very overrated defensively.

[cd021]

damn..could be a career-ending..

I was thinking the same thing. Back to back seasons (possibly) ended because of blood clots.

[Chinook]

I was thinking the same thing. Back to back seasons (possibly) ended because of blood clots.

Even more important is that I drafted him high on my fantasy team both times.

[CGD]

Guys, stop the pipedream.
The Bucks won't give us MCW for basically free.

It wouldn't be free.

Ray + this year's 29th is reasonable. The reason Milwaukee hasn't moved him yet this year is because they're looking for a first.

As I mention before, it's a weak draft and spurs have two solid prospects likely coming over next summer. For the 3rd PG this year, your telling me you'd rather have Ray at this point?

[Ice009]

AsImportant as Diaw was in 2014, I hope the Spurs hold on to Diaw as long as he produces.

I would not have a problem trading Diaw simply because he doesn't care enough to come into camp in better shape. I love his game, but I don't like his carefree approach. He is so good and I think could be a much better, consistent player for us if he dropped more weight and got back to the weight he was at during the 2014 OKC and Miami series. The OKC series was the lightest I saw him (weight wise) with the Spurs and I think he played some of his best Basketball in it. I attributed that to him being at an optimal playing weight.

[Chinook]

This is getting annoying. MCW makes like three times as much as Ray. Therefore, the Spurs would have to add salary to make the deal. Has no one looked this up?

It would have to be two or three players for MCW, like Ray and Boban or Bonner, Anderson and Simmons. But then you have to take back some players to make it legal, which adds more MKE salary, which means more Spurs salary, and it ends up being really complicated. Moral of the story is that this isn't a very workable trade, and I can't see why it's being treated as a legitimate idea.

[Chinook]

He be a better trade target in the off-season if Manu leaves and Anderson doesn't seem ready to step up.

[coachmac87]

MCW looks like a re ed Drake

[Dex]

NBA Trade Rumor: Danny Green to Atlanta for Al Horford seems ridiculous

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/...ems-ridiculous

[$pursDynasty]

OK here is a trade I would love, Ray McCallum for Ish Smith. The Spurs need a PG to run the show on Tony rest days. Patty is more of a streaky 2 guard. Ish Smith is a vet and the price is exactly the same salary cap wise. Now why would Philly do that since with Ish the 6ers are actually a treat to win games? Because with Ish the 6ers are a threat to win games, but never be really good. Their process is to lose, win in the lottery and come up like the Thunderrefs via the draft. Ish has them winning or threatening to win too many games. I could trust Smith in the playoffs, to at least hold the fort while Tony gets a breather not sure I could with Ray. Ish isn't a lockdown defender which would be ideal but this is a salary minimum deal that might actually help the team.

[HarlemHeat37]

OK here is a trade I would love, Ray McCallum for Ish Smith. The Spurs need a PG to run the show on Tony rest days. Patty is more of a streaky 2 guard. Ish Smith is a vet and the price is exactly the same salary cap wise. Now why would Philly do that since with Ish the 6ers are actually a treat to win games? Because with Ish the 6ers are a threat to win games, but never be really good. Their process is to lose, win in the lottery and come up like the Thunderrefs via the draft. Ish has them winning or threatening to win too many games. I could trust Smith in the playoffs, to at least hold the fort while Tony gets a breather not sure I could with Ray. Ish isn't a lockdown defender which would be ideal but this is a salary minimum deal that might actually help the team.

In theory, yes, but they're still bad enough that they could get their desired lottery pick, and their mindset with Colangelo on board has probably changed a little(not that Ish for McCallum is even a realistic trade)..Noel(their best player) loves Smith and he has helped elevate his game(significantly), I doubt they trade him..Philly is at the point where they need to keep morale at a reasonable level..

[HarlemHeat37]

This is getting annoying. MCW makes like three times as much as Ray. Therefore, the Spurs would have to add salary to make the deal. Has no one looked this up?

It would have to be two or three players for MCW, like Ray and Boban or Bonner, Anderson and Simmons. But then you have to take back some players to make it legal, which adds more MKE salary, which means more Spurs salary, and it ends up being really complicated. Moral of the story is that this isn't a very workable trade, and I can't see why it's being treated as a legitimate idea.

None of the trade proposals in this thread are realistic, aren't we just speaking for fun?

, Horford for Green was even mentioned on San Antonio radio, apparently, sometimes you just need things to talk about

[$pursDynasty]

In theory, yes, but they're still bad enough that they could get their desired lottery pick, and their mindset with Colangelo on board has probably changed a little(not that Ish for McCallum is even a realistic trade)..Noel(their best player) loves Smith and he has helped elevate his game(significantly), I doubt they trade him..Philly is at the point where they need to keep morale at a reasonable level..

In theory true Heat but maybe it is one of those Manchurian candidate things, it has happened more times than I can count former Lakers or Celtics cutting their old team ridiculous deals that seem to be against the better interests of their current team. We have sleeper agents planted in the 6ers organization and if not for Colangelo I would be pretty confident that something like this would come to pass. Sold as a 'Young Spur with winning mentatlity' joining the 6ers franchise, lol. A lot less shameful and obvious than teams giving up their best players for next to nothing.