ESPN: Spurs Emerging as Favorites to Sign Kevin Martin

[HarlemHeat37]

Well PATFO apparently believes Miller can still play. That is a shocker, but we will have to see!

Not necessarily, probably just a mentor/coaching move, sitting at the end of the bench with Bonner IMO..they didn't really have anything to lose, McCallum is atrocious..

[Chinook]

I have never said Spurs system will magically change shooting % or tranform a donkey into a horse, not sure why you are bringing up that here.

Because that's pretty much what you're saying. Martin is a surprisingly limited spot-up shooter. Him playing on the Spurs isn't going to make him a better one, just like it didn't for Jimmer. Like Jimmer, Martin is a guy who shoots better when he's not being assisted, because he's better at making space for himself than he is at using the space an offense gives him.

West is shooting better because his usage is down, Spurs don't need him to carry scoring load so yeah shoot selection is gonna be better... nothing magical or the "system" in that. Point is if you went last year West shooting % sucks so he is not a good signing road last year, you would have been a fool.

West is shooting better because he's getting more touches around the rim. He's also able to pass to other guys this year instead of doing it all himself. However, West is an elite mid-range shooter, and that's been clear his whole career. He's also been a HoVG player who was just getting too old for this . Martin is like an average three-point shooter (his 37 percent is below the Spurs' 40 percent) who is only really a decent scorer when he has the ball in his hands. The best you can hope for is his OKC form to come back. The fact that he is having a bad season with a much better Wolves team doesn't bode well for that, though.

Of course they matter but you don't take him for that in this stage of his career. For 10 mpg again it's not a big deal, with minny he has to create a bit for himself, SA won't ask him to do that. His FGAs will be mostly assisted. As a whole less FGAs, lower usage, more assisted = better FG%. For the record for me Mart < Beli.

His stats from this season are totally irrelevant except for 3 pts. I'm talking here on offense, on defense no need to check out stats to know he sucks. Used 10 - 15 mpg for shooting 3s with second unit he is a rotation player for the Spurs and more than that for most nba teams.

I feel like you're missing the whole picture of Martin trying to focus on three-pointers. It's the same people were doing with Jimmer. Martin isn't that great of a spot-up guy because of his awkward release. It almost completely pushes him out of the corner (only 15 percent of his shots from there this year, which would put him behind only Manu and Diaw for guys who spot up from that range). Combine that with his inability to play well from the right side, and you get a guy who doesn't help you out like you think he does.

I did not follow him at all this season and Idgaf tbh I'm just pointing out you cannot evaluate his potential impact based on his current performance...

There's a difference between saying, "Martin is not a better player than Joseph", and "Martin can't help the Spurs." Martin isn't a good player, and his stats do show that. But he could turn it around. The only reason to believe he can though is because you believe the Spurs system will make him better than he actually is.

[Chinook]

Martin is fine as a 9th or 10th man, tbh, playing the role Barbosa plays for the Warriors..

Anybody calling him a "borderline All-Star" is insane, though..it's 2016..

NBA fans and media always overrate players that have name recognition, it's very common, especially with buyout candidates..it's the only pro sport that suffers from name recognition bias, since it's a "faces and names" league..some people here still think Andre Miller can contribute, for instance, because they liked his game 5 years ago

It's probably the same fans that wanted Danny Granger or Caron Butler playing ahead of Kawhi and DG a few years ago(look up the thread, there was a lot of this)..

Buyout candidates are usually not very good players. If Martin were good, Minny would want to keep him. He's signed to a contract that's great for a rotation player. But he's not really a rotation player right now.

[HarlemHeat37]

Buyout candidates are usually not very good players. If Martin were good, Minny would want to keep him. He's signed to a contract that's great for a rotation player. But he's not really a rotation player right now.

I think people's perception, especially here, is skewed because of Diaw's contributions as a buyout player, obviously ignoring the cir stances around why he was struggling prior to joining the Spurs..

[benefactor]

And finally, the dude's a chucker. He's not Nick Young bad, but he would have the lowest eFG% out of any Spur this season.

...which is why they are looking at him. Pop loves him a designated chucker.

[Chinook]

I think people's perception, especially here, is skewed because of Diaw's contributions as a buyout player, obviously ignoring the cir stances around why he was struggling prior to joining the Spurs..

ESPECIALLY the buyout candidates with another year on their deals. To make it worse, he may not even get bought out because he doesn't want to give up that option year. How many red flags do you need?

[Chinook]

...which is why they are looking at him. Pop loves him a designated chucker.

Sure seems to. Speaking of which, I wonder if Neal considered a buyout. He'd be a much better fit than Martin would. , he'd've been better than Miller too.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Buyout candidates are usually not very good players. If Martin were good, Minny would want to keep him. He's signed to a contract that's great for a rotation player. But he's not really a rotation player right now.

That's is not always the case. When decent players do get bought it usually several reasons are in play. Younger players (high draft picks) that said team wants to develop (Martin), could be a salary dump (Johnson), injury prone (Varajeo) or overweight (Diaw, just joking).

And if you look at the most efficient season for Martin it was when he came off the bench for OKC, and OKC more than likely would have made the WCF finals had WB not gotten injured in the 1st round, which we all were happy about. So Martin has proven he can be good rotational player if he is on a team that provides him spacing. Shot .426 from 3 that year. The best mark in this career.

[AlexJones]

it's the only pro sport that suffers from name recognition bias

existent in hockey and baseball too

If the NBA were like the NFL, last year Pop would've given Tony Parker the Randy Moss treatment tbh

[Chinook]

That's is not always the case. When decent players do get bought it usually several reasons are in play ... that said team wants to develop (Martin),

Really, no. It's because he sucks. The Wolves aren't the Sixers. They love having vets on their team.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Really, no. It's because he sucks. The Wolves aren't the Sixers. They love having vets on their team.

I wouldn't say he sucks as much as I would say he has been playing poorly this year. He has shown he is capable of playing better than he has this year. I don't really care for Martin, but I could see the Spurs wanting him to add another shooter to the roster. Bonner looks done, really strained his muscle playing 3 minutes in a game. I would waive Bonner to sign Martin at this point.

At the league minimum, Martin is not a bad guy to have on the back end of the roster.

[Mel_13]

Really, no. It's because he sucks. The Wolves aren't the Sixers. They love having vets on their team.

I don't believe the Wolves have any real interest in buying out Martin. I'm convinced that all the chatter is coming from Martin's side. If I'm Minny, I wouldn't give Martin a dime for his 2016-17 option, and I'd bet that their unwillingness to do so accounts for the lack of movement.

[Chinook]

I don't believe the Wolves have any real interest in buying out Martin. I'm convinced that all the chatter is coming from Martin's side. If I'm Minny, I wouldn't give Martin a dime for his 2016-17 option, and I'd bet that their unwillingness to do so accounts for the lack of movement.

Yeah. And Martin is desperately trying to get some of that money because he knows he's not worth $7 Million on the open market anymore.

[Chinook]

I wouldn't say he sucks as much as I would say he has been playing poorly this year. He has shown he is capable of playing better than he has this year. I don't really care for Martin, but I could see the Spurs wanting him to add another shooter to the roster. Bonner looks done, really strained his muscle playing 3 minutes in a game. I would waive Bonner to sign Martin at this point.

At the league minimum, Martin is not a bad guy to have on the back end of the roster.

I think Martin would be pretty decent as the main scorer on the bench (NOT the sixth man) whose job it is to just put up shots so starters can rest. That's similar to what Crawford does. In a lost year like next season would be without Tim and Manu (and especially if they take their money and go home), there are worst players to have. But he's not a guy you work into a championship system. He's just not.

[ceperez]

I don't believe the Wolves have any real interest in buying out Martin. I'm convinced that all the chatter is coming from Martin's side. If I'm Minny, I wouldn't give Martin a dime for his 2016-17 option, and I'd bet that their unwillingness to do so accounts for the lack of movement.

Wolves already telegraphing that they don't need Martin.
Martin wants buy out, but wants compensation for that player option.
I doubt he'll get it 'coz it'll look really ugly. Blackmailing a team isn't going to get you far in the future.
Martin is 33, his time is running out... he will fold.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I think Martin would be pretty decent as the main scorer on the bench (NOT the sixth man) whose job it is to just put up shots so starters can rest. That's similar to what Crawford does. In a lost year like next season would be without Tim and Manu (and especially if they take their money and go home), there are worst players to have. But he's not a guy you work into a championship system. He's just not.

I'll agree. I never said he was. I just said he is a good player to provide the Spurs spacing, mostly in the regular season. His defense is the reason I wouldn't want him in the playoffs. , even old man Miller plays better D than Martin at this point. Gives another player for the Spurs to matchup other teams as well.

[Mel_13]

Wolves already telegraphing that they don't need Martin.
Martin wants buy out, but wants compensation for that player option.
I doubt he'll get it 'coz it'll look really ugly.
Martin is 33, his time is running out... he will fold.

How it looks is irrelevant. Minny simply has no financial reason to pay Martin for his option year.

I agree with you that Martin only gets the buyout if he folds on getting paid for the option.

[Ice009]

How much time is left before the buyout playoff eligibility deadline?

[Mel_13]

As far as the Martin the player goes, he helps the Spurs more than Bonner at this point. I wouldn't cut Butler to sign Martin, but Bonner has zero value as a player, so Martin would be an improvement.

[baseline bum]

11 pages over ing Kevin Martin

[Chinook]

As far as the Martin the player goes, he helps the Spurs more than Bonner at this point. I wouldn't cut Butler to sign Martin, but Bonner has zero value as a player, so Martin would be an improvement.

I would have cut Bonner over McCallum on the off chance that two of Parker, Mills and Miller got hurt or the even less likely possibility of Ray playing well enough to become an asset as an RFA next year.

[Mel_13]

How much time is left before the buyout playoff eligibility deadline?

The Wolves have to submit a waiver request by the time the league offices close tomorrow afternoon, IIRC. If that is done, he can be signed at any time before the end of the season and still be eligible for the playoffs.

[ceperez]

As far as the Martin the player goes, he helps the Spurs more than Bonner at this point. I wouldn't cut Butler to sign Martin, but Bonner has zero value as a player, so Martin would be an improvement.

Assuming Spurs have already sent out feelers to Martin, then you can pretty much assume they've already discussed this with Bonner. I would be surprised if they cut Butler. I would be shocked if they cut anyone else!

[$pursDynasty]

How much time is left before the buyout playoff eligibility deadline?

has to be done by Tuesday because he has to be on the roster by Wednesday to be playoff eligible which is the only reason you do this.

[TheDoctor]

11 pages over ing Kevin Martin

4 pages for me. Good thing about maxing out the number of posts per thread.