ESPN: Spurs Emerging as Favorites to Sign Kevin Martin

[I. Hustle]

Y'all are the ones trying to use lame comparison instead of just admitting Kevin Martin is better than Rasual Butler...

But hey..y'all must know more then GMs cause your name is "bold" on Spurstalk

Now you're getting it, kiddo.

[timtonymanu]

So did Kevin Martin get waived/bought out? Isn't today the deadline for him to be playoff eligible for any team that signs him?

Tomorrow

[coachmac87]

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This is what you said:



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It does. It says Butler is a minimum player..

Is that hard to understand?

You assumed I meant something else..

[timtonymanu]

Y'all are the ones trying to use lame comparison instead of just admitting Kevin Martin is better than Rasual Butler...

But hey..y'all must know more then GMs cause your name is "bold" on Spurstalk

You're reaching Jimmertacular levels of fail right now. Just admit your defeat, son, and move on.

[coachmac87]

Look, man. We can't all be coaches like you.

Obviously not. But I'd expect for y'all to at least make simple player evaluations..

[coachmac87]

You're reaching Jimmertacular levels of fail right now. Just admit your defeat, son, and move on.

Defeat on what?

[Mel_13]

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It does. It says Butler is a minimum player..

Is that hard to understand?

You assumed I meant something else..

The words you used said you meant something else.

Even if we accept your new explanation, it still doesn't help your case.

We all know that Butler is a minimum player. That fact says absolutely nothing about his current value to the Spurs, or about his relative value to the Spurs compared to Martin potential value to the Spurs on Feb 29, 2016.

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[coachmac87]

The words you used said you meant something else.

Even if we accept your new explanation, it still doesn't help your case.

We all know that Butler is a minimum player. That fact says absolutely nothing about his current value to the Spurs, or about his relative value to the Spurs compared to Martin potential value to the Spurs on Feb 29, 2016.

Next.

But what if Spurs cut Butler for Martin?

[Mel_13]

But what if Spurs cut Butler for Martin?

I've already expressed my opinion on that subject.

Next.

[Old School 44]

Midnight tonight, I think.

Tomorrow

Thanks...and my understanding is they don't necessarily have to sign with anybody by this deadline. They just need to be bought out/waived by this time to be playoff eligible for this year.

[coachmac87]

I've already expressed my opinion on that subject.

Next.

Oh you just couldn't admit that I was right?? lol

No hard feelings bro

[Mnky]

Defeat on what?

You can't argue with a fool. Even if you're 110% right, they wouldn't be able to comprehend it. People who declare themselves victor or use dismissal antics arnt here for discussion. Unless you want to see who can declare themselves the winner the "most" I'd suggest you move on...
BTW, that's like 98% of spurstalk. The Junk DNA of the forum.

[Mel_13]

Thanks...and my understanding is they don't necessarily have to sign with anybody by this deadline. They just need to be bought out/waived by this time to be playoff eligible for this year.

Waivers must be requested by tomorrow's deadline. Clearing waivers, agreeing to buyout terms, and signing with a new team can all happen at a later date.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Oh you just couldn't admit that I was right?? lol

No hard feelings bro

You're right b/c The contract says so!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mel_13]

Oh you just couldn't admit that I was right?? lol

No hard feelings bro

The meltdown continues.

[coachmac87]

I'm not melting down. Lol I haven't even created a thread that I'm suspending myself from ST.

[coachmac87]

You can't argue with a fool. Even if you're 110% right, they wouldn't be ab
le to comprehend it. People who declare themselves victor or use dismissal antics arnt here for discussion. Unless you want to see who can declare themselves the winner the "most" I'd suggest you move on...
BTW, that's like 98% of spurstalk. The Junk DNA of the forum.

I know. I've been posting since 06'...

I don't live here like most do.

[Mel_13]

That would be an epic meltdown. Yours is the garden variety.

[coachmac87]

That would be an epic meltdown. Yours is the garden variety.

Fair enough. I guess we will have to wait and see...

[Splits]

[ceperez]

Has he signed yet?

[Brazil]

Because that's pretty much what you're saying. Martin is a surprisingly limited spot-up shooter. Him playing on the Spurs isn't going to make him a better one, just like it didn't for Jimmer. Like Jimmer, Martin is a guy who shoots better when he's not being assisted, because he's better at making space for himself than he is at using the space an offense gives him.

no that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying his usage rate will drop, he will have less touches assisted or not, naturally your shooting % is usually better because your shot selection is better (see Parker Tony for instance). I'm also saying his mid range jumpers inefficiency at .38 is irrelevant... You said he will play same role as Beli and I'm fine with that, Beli was shooting in average two mid range per game so yeah getting .38 out of them or .45 won't change much the outcome of a game. Then I'd be curious to see the numbers showing he is shooting better when not assisted, I believe if you make that call, you must have something to back it up.

West is shooting better because he's getting more touches around the rim. He's also able to pass to other guys this year instead of doing it all himself. However, West is an elite mid-range shooter, and that's been clear his whole career. He's also been a HoVG player who was just getting too old for this . Martin is like an average three-point shooter (his 37 percent is below the Spurs' 40 percent) who is only really a decent scorer when he has the ball in his hands. The best you can hope for is his OKC form to come back. The fact that he is having a bad season with a much better Wolves team doesn't bode well for that, though.

Or like West he is too old for 20 mpg and 9 FGAs per game. I just don't see how this logic would work for West but not for Mart. Parker is shooting better this year than previous years and he is not getting more lay ups than before, his role is just different with less load to carry and less minutes resulting in a better shot selection, less fatigue then better efficiency. Again I don't see why this could not apply for a guy like KMart.

I feel like you're missing the whole picture of Martin trying to focus on three-pointers. It's the same people were doing with Jimmer. Martin isn't that great of a spot-up guy because of his awkward release. It almost completely pushes him out of the corner (only 15 percent of his shots from there this year, which would put him behind only Manu and Diaw for guys who spot up from that range). Combine that with his inability to play well from the right side, and you get a guy who doesn't help you out like you think he does.

Not sure why bringing jimmer into that, different player, different role, different age, different everything actually. I'm fine with you saying dude sucks and he is not a good fit but bringing his FG% of his season with Minny is irrelevant.

There's a difference between saying, "Martin is not a better player than Joseph", and "Martin can't help the Spurs." Martin isn't a good player, and his stats do show that. But he could turn it around. The only reason to believe he can though is because you believe the Spurs system will make him better than he actually is.

No I believe the way Spurs will use him as low usage rate coming off the bench for 10/15 mpg ala Beli shooting 3s he could be useful for a vet min price. I also say who cares about his mid range JS for 2 FGAs ? I also say .37 is not a bad % from 3 even though it is inferior to team's average that has anyway a low % of 3s FGAs compared to previous seasons. Are you implying with the Spurs he could not average 2-3 FGAs at .37 and he will become TOV prone or something ? You take him because its cheap, because he can shoot 3s and you are lacking 3s and he can bring the ball to half court without losing it.

[Brazil]

this cracks me up every time

[TheDoctor]

Has he signed yet?

Austin Daye? Spurs waived him last season.

[Darius Bieber]

Got until 12 AM EST for a buy out to occur.