ESPN: Spurs Emerging as Favorites to Sign Kevin Martin

[coachmac87]

Look at their contracts.

Fairly close. But I must say neither are a minimum player like Rasual Butler.

Next.

[Hoops Czar]

Okay, so most of this is untrue (that I wanted Green to dribble, that Kyle is a bad defender), but the last sentence is the worst. I'm pretty sure with the exception of like two posters who think Martin sucks no matter what, we are all in favor of Martin over Bonner. Some people are arguing that he should get the fourth-wing spot, and I disagree with that.

At the least, he should get all of Simmons's minutes.

[Chinook]

Will Danny Green make Curry work on defense?

Depends on what the Spurs decide to do with him.

[coachmac87]

At the least, he should get all of Simmons's minutes.

Chinook thinks Martin shouldn't get minutes over Rasual Butler...

[Chinook]

At the least, he should get all of Simmons's minutes.

Simmons doesn't have minutes to give. He's fifth out of five healthy wings.

[Chinook]

Fairly close. But I must say neither are a minimum player like Rasual Butler.

Next.

If Martin gets bought you, you can get he's signing for the minimum on his next contract.

[TheGreatYacht]

At the least, he should get all of Simmons's minutes.

Agreed. He's fallen off a cliff. Pains me to say that fat head has outplayed him recently.

This is funny though

[Mel_13]

[coachmac87]

If Martin gets bought you, you can get he's signing for the minimum on his next contract.

Now you're just reaching...and if he's bought out 1 of 2 things will happen.

1. He gets Butlers minutes
2. Butler gets cut


Bottom line. You don't even believe the you say..

[SpurPadre]

Agreed. He's fallen off a cliff. Pains me to say that fat head has outplayed him recently.

This is funny though

This can't be true about Simmons and Curry.

[Chinook]

Now you're just reaching...and if he's bought out 1 of 2 things will happen.

1. He gets Butlers minutes
2. Butler gets cut


Bottom line. You don't even believe the you say..

I entirely believe that Martin's next contract will be a minimum deal if he gets bought out. If you don't believe it, then you don't think the Spurs will sign him. And again, whether he gets Butler's minutes is irrelevant to any discussion we have had previously.

[spurtech09]

eh not to be rude but just a waste of time.....

[coachmac87]

I entirely believe that Martin's next contract will be a minimum deal if he gets bought out. If you don't believe it, then you don't think the Spurs will sign him. And again, whether he gets Butler's minutes is irrelevant to any discussion we have had previously.

Let's not get cute here. You know damn well after this season is over and Martin officially becomes a FA he will get more than a 1yr/Vet Min. You're smart enough to at least admit that.

And yes Martin getting minutes over Butler has everything to do what we've discussed earlier because our main argument news you trying to sell me on Butler being the better player.

Why would the Spurs give Martin his minutes if he wasn't a better player then Butler?

[Chinook]

This can't be true about Simmons and Curry.

As critical as I have been of Simmons recently, I actually don't mind this at all. As I have mentioned before, I saw the Clippers and Spurs play courtside in SA back in 2013. It was garbage time, as LAC took a double-digit league with like a minute left. The Spurs had their scrubs vs LAC's starters. Paul was dribbling up the court with Cory guarding him. Joseph kept yelling at him and daring him to score, which Paul did (or got fouled).

I really appreciated the compe iveness Joseph showed that game. He didn't back down even with his team on the way to a loss. He showed that fight again about 15 months later in the WCF against OKC. That's one of the main reason I was in the CoJ as much as I was, and still am. I can only hope that if there comes a time where Simmons has a change to step up an inject some passion and determination into his teammates that he steps up like Cory did.

[Chinook]

Let's not get cute here. You know damn well after this season is over and Martin officially becomes a FA he will get more than a 1yr/Vet Min. You're smart enough to at least admit that.

He'd be officially an FA once he cleared waivers. At that point, he'll be a min guy while Green would have a contract about 120 time bigger. And hey, it will have happened in the same season.

And yes Martin getting minutes over Butler has everything to do what we've discussed earlier because our main argument news you trying to sell me on Butler being the better player.

It has nothing to do with it. Guys get minutes they shouldn't all the time.

Why would the Spurs give Martin his minutes if he wasn't a better player then Butler?

The most extreme example would be because they believe Martin is better than Butler.

[timtonymanu]

I'm sure Martin wanted to be here but it didn't work out. Regardless, Fathead has looked better lately. Don't get the hate by so many on here.

[spurtech09]

Corey Joseph is one of my fav. players.....as well as George Hill.....Imagine if both were on the Spurs roster right now.........Stacked!!!!

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm sure Martin wanted to be here but it didn't work out. Regardless, Fathead has looked better lately. Don't get the hate by so many on here.

Think he has till 11pm Central time. We'll see

[coachmac87]

As critical as I have been of Simmons recently, I actually don't mind this at all. As I have mentioned before, I saw the Clippers and Spurs play courtside in SA back in 2013. It was garbage time, as LAC took a double-digit league with like a minute left. The Spurs had their scrubs vs LAC's starters. Paul was dribbling up the court with Cory guarding him. Joseph kept yelling at him and daring him to score, which Paul did (or got fouled).

I really appreciated the compe iveness Joseph showed that game. He didn't back down even with his team on the way to a loss. He showed that fight again about 15 months later in the WCF against OKC. That's one of the main reason I was in the CoJ as much as I was, and still am. I can only hope that if there comes a time where Simmons has a change to step up an inject some passion and determination into his teammates that he steps up like Cory did.

Simmons has all of the tools to be a good on ball defender. And until recently I thought he could be exactly what Cory was able to do for us..which is guard the guys Patty just couldn't. It takes time and he will get his real chance soon. Probably as early as next year..but the margin of error is too small this year.

[Dre_7]

Corey Joseph is one of my fav. players.....as well as George Hill.....Imagine if both were on the Spurs roster right now.........Stacked!!!!

But no Kawhi. Meaning no le in 2014.

[spurtech09]

Think he has till 11pm Central time. We'll see

So you still think there is still a chance Martin will get bought out?

[spurtech09]

But no Kawhi. Meaning no le in 2014.

all 3 on the roster.....stacked.....wishful thinking...

[SpurPadre]

As critical as I have been of Simmons recently, I actually don't mind this at all. As I have mentioned before, I saw the Clippers and Spurs play courtside in SA back in 2013. It was garbage time, as LAC took a double-digit league with like a minute left. The Spurs had their scrubs vs LAC's starters. Paul was dribbling up the court with Cory guarding him. Joseph kept yelling at him and daring him to score, which Paul did (or got fouled).

I really appreciated the compe iveness Joseph showed that game. He didn't back down even with his team on the way to a loss. He showed that fight again about 15 months later in the WCF against OKC. That's one of the main reason I was in the CoJ as much as I was, and still am. I can only hope that if there comes a time where Simmons has a change to step up an inject some passion and determination into his teammates that he steps up like Cory did.

The thing is, Pop doesn't like this sort of behavior from his players, which is why I don't believe this actually transpired. And if it did, he would've been benched with no playing time for the next few games after, which didn't really happen to him.

[Chinook]

The thing is, Pop doesn't like this sort of behavior from his players, which is why I don't believe this actually transpired. And if it did, he would've been benched with no playing time for the next few games after, which didn't really happen to him.

Eh, Pop's not as controlling as you seem to think, I believe. He's all about allowing guys to be who they have to be to be their best. If Simmons is motivated by trashtalking (especially light-hearted like this is), I doubt he cares. In fact, Pop put Simmons on Curry to see how it would go. I imagine Pop's the one who psyched Jonathon up enough to say that in the first place.

[Brazil]

Dude, why is this so hard for you to understand? Do you really think Andre Miller is going to get a rotation spot? Do you think Varejao's getting playoff minutes over Ezeli? Buyout guys often come in and end up on the deep bench. For a team that's 50-9 that also has two fourth-wing candidates who in the very least deserve to get the first crack over him, it doesn't make sense to promise him minutes.

The fact your posts are increasingly aggressive don't make them more convincing. To get at "you are in favor to sign a today 21 mpg, 9 FGAs, 11 ppg and 25% usage to basically be Matt Bonner" has been hard.

Then your comparaisons are mind blowing... Andre Miller is 39 y/o and is playing today 10 mpg for 2 FGAs per game, at 33 like K Mart he was at 30 mpg, Varejao is a more decent one but largely flawed. He is playing 10 mpg, he is also 33 but definitely finished... over last 6 years he logged only twice more than 30 games a season... I hope you are not comparing Varejao today with Martin right ?

I never said that. You know I never said that. In fact, the opposite is the case, as it is with every player who's not Parker (literally, for some reason on jump shots he shoots better when he dribbles more than 10 times than when he catches and shoots). Same thing with open shots. Hence why I made the point that it's not about him being able to knock down a situationless three. It's about his skills fitting in the context of a Spurs' system. It's not about usage.

Of course you said it, when we were speaking about shooting efficiency you mentionned dude is better with the ball in his hands, you said making him a spot up shooter won't make him a more efficient player. If he accepts a vet role 10/15 mpg his skills are fine in Spur's system, he does not turn over the ball, handles the ball, don't fool on defense and shoot the 3s... ya that's 3/4 things he can do and 3/4 things Spurs would ask him to do. I read your point about right and left, it's a valid point but you don't have to change spurs philosophy to adjust to that with second unit.

I want him to play about as much as Miller will. .

And I told you like three times that according to me it won't happen so it is a moot point.
You are the one who is not reading tbh

But I maybe wrong, find me a 33 y/o wing 25% usage rate, 20 mpg, 9 FGAs, 11 ppg bought out or waived who played a 2016 Miller role at 10 mpg, 2 FGAs and we will discuss... [don't play the I put so many conditions that it is impossible... if you find a 34 y/o 22 mpg, 10 FGAs... it will be ok]

13/14 Miller ? he went from 26 mpg with Denver to 17 in Toronto, cut his FGAs by 2... Applied to KMart younger of 4 years it would give 14 mpg, 4/5 FGAs, 15% usage rate... exactly what I am seeing for him as a Spurs.