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    #99 what is this, football? Big JJ Watt fan?

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    He's already signed but the Spurs are keeping it hush to figure out who they wanna cut first. Pop at his best!!!

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    He's already signed but the Spurs are keeping it hush to figure out who they wanna cut first. Pop at his best!!!
    I don't think you can sign him until someone is cut first? or am I wrong on that?

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    I'm always amazed at the way people totally undersell the Spurs development program. Neal was ing 25 when he got here, and is still in the league at 31.
    Gary Neal is the same player that he was in 2010. The Spurs deserve credit for scouting him and getting him to sign a cheap three-year deal. But if that's how Simmons' developmental curve looks, they should look to trade him for a pick this summer.

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    Also that K-Mart needs to pass a physical first. A one that he didn't take right away as he needed a couple of days to solve some personal things in Minny.

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    Gary Neal is the same player that he was in 2010. The Spurs deserve credit for scouting him and getting him to sign a cheap three-year deal. But if that's how Simmons' developmental curve looks, they should look to trade him for a pick this summer.
    If someone offers a pick late in the first round, or even an early second, you jump on it in a heartbeat. He's a fun player, but also frustrating. Gets to the hoop and scores efficiently, with a decent 3pt stroke, but passing and defense leave plenty to be desired at this point. Plus he's only cost controlled for one more year, while a late first / early second is cost controlled for up to 4 years depending on the contract.

    I don't think he's worth a first, but it just takes one dumb team.

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    imo there is no way Bonner get cut tbh...

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    Gary Neal is the same player that he was in 2010. The Spurs deserve credit for scouting him and getting him to sign a cheap three-year deal. But if that's how Simmons' developmental curve looks, they should look to trade him for a pick this summer.
    Can we trade him and our first to move to somwhere around 18-21?

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    I wonder if the delay has something to do with the timing of one of the player's contract that is being waived; in terms of guaranteed money.

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    Simmons upside isnt as good as what everyone is saying, he is a high effort, low skill kind of guy, he will never be anything more than a bench guy
    If he polishes his jumper, and adds +Defense, he'll flash starter potential next year.

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    If someone offers a pick late in the first round, or even an early second, you jump on it in a heartbeat. He's a fun player, but also frustrating. Gets to the hoop and scores efficiently, with a decent 3pt stroke, but passing and defense leave plenty to be desired at this point. Plus he's only cost controlled for one more year, while a late first / early second is cost controlled for up to 4 years depending on the contract.

    I don't think he's worth a first, but it just takes one dumb team.
    NOBODY is giving you a 1st for 27 year old jonathan simmons. NOONE.

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    I wonder if the delay has something to do with the timing of one of the player's contract that is being waived; in terms of guaranteed money.
    We'll know more if a lot of guys rest tonight. From what people were saying Martin had things to do in Minny anyway, so Pop may just want to give it one more try. If Butler gets a lot of minutes tonight, it could be an audition of sorts.

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    We'll know more if a lot of guys rest tonight. From what people were saying Martin had things to do in Minny anyway, so Pop may just want to give it one more try. If Butler gets a lot of minutes tonight, it could be an audition of sorts.
    I can't imagine that Pop hasn't already made the decision. So I don't think he would base anything on how a player performed in 1 or 2 games. To me, those Bonner minutes the other night looked like a going away present.

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    I have come to the opinion that it will be Simmons who gets cut. He has regressed from a promising start. He is a decent 3 point shooter, but passes up wide open 3's on a regular basis. This has also greatly reduced his ability to get to the rim since everyone is daring him to take the 3 and playing off him. On defense he is often out of position and gets beat on back-door plays at probably the highest rate on the team or close to it. That combined with Martin basically playing the same position leads me to believe that he will be the odd man out.

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    If someone offers a pick late in the first round, or even an early second, you jump on it in a heartbeat. He's a fun player, but also frustrating. Gets to the hoop and scores efficiently, with a decent 3pt stroke, but passing and defense leave plenty to be desired at this point. Plus he's only cost controlled for one more year, while a late first / early second is cost controlled for up to 4 years depending on the contract.

    I don't think he's worth a first, but it just takes one dumb team.
    I don't see him getting close to a first-rounder. I think it would make more sense to think of him as being traded for a specific guy rather than a general pick. Like if someone decent falls into the 40s, I could see the Spurs pulling the trigger. Or if the team is interested in doing a sign-and-trade (with may be necessary with Tim and Manu having options even if they retire, or if the Spurs go after an RFA), Simmons could be part of the sweetener package. I don't think anyone considers him a prospect, really. Some team would have to like him for what he is, not what he could be.

    Can we trade him and our first to move to somwhere around 18-21?
    Maybe Atlanta would be willing to move their pick, as they seem allergic to picking a decent players nowadays. A guy like Simmons could be their Bazemore replacement, and them having his EB rights combined with his Arenas status means they can FINALLY keep someone in that spot.

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    I can't imagine that Pop hasn't already made the decision. So I don't think he would base anything on how a player performed in 1 or 2 games. To me, those Bonner minutes the other night looked like a going away present.
    He played awfully well in those minutes. Honestly, if Matt can have a couple of decent games, it's NOT clear he should be cut.

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    The Spurs best small ball lineup has been when Butler has been featured at PF. This will be valuable matching up with GS. Bonner should just retire right now, and take a job in the Spurs FO.

    The Red Rocket is a likable but he has only played like 120 minutes total this season. That's like less than 2 minutes per contest.

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    If you ask the question who is least likely to contribute to a championship this year I think it is Simmons. I hope it is Bonner, but Simmons has been playing less and less and his minutes are only going to decrease with Martin on board. With Tim resting frequently the sixth big takes on more importance.

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    I wonder if the delay has something to do with the timing of one of the player's contract that is being waived; in terms of guaranteed money.
    All contracts become guaranteed on January 10th each season, so that's not the issue. Plus, both Bonner and Butler are on veteran's minimum contracts, which means that the money they're still due (~$325k) is actually paid by the League at this point.

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    If you ask the question who is least likely to contribute to a championship this year I think it is Simmons. I hope it is Bonner, but Simmons has been playing less and less and his minutes are only going to decrease with Martin on board. With Tim resting frequently the sixth big takes on more importance.
    I would say that, but the Spurs don't know if Manu is coming back next year. Simmons has shown potential, but he also has shown he needs to improve his game. I wouldn't give up on him in just a year. He is only 27 and has room for improvement.

    As far as the big situation, Spurs have been using Butler and Anderson at the 4 a lot this past month. Those two basically negate the need for another big. Spurs have Duncan/West/LMA/Diaw/Boban up front as well.

    The fact the Spurs now have LMA hitting 18-20 footers (and even West), the Spurs don't need Bonner as much against OKC to draw Ibaka from the lane. That is one thing that Bonner did have going for him when it comes to playoff matchups. And remember it was Diaw not Bonner that scorched OKC the last time the Spurs played them in the playoffs.

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    Tough choices for Pop. As much as I love what Rasual Butler has contributed, I think that going into the playoffs with 5 bigs is a bold move.
    I'm not sure this squad will beat teams going small for long stretches. It really brings up the question of whether you go for the best player or for positional needs.

    I have a feeling that if Bonner is healthy, he could be useful against OKC and GS. Dying to find out which way it goes.

    My guess is Butler becomes redundant.

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    I would say that, but the Spurs don't know if Manu is coming back next year. Simmons has shown potential, but he also has shown he needs to improve his game. I wouldn't give up on him in just a year. He is only 27 and has room for improvement.

    As far as the big situation, Spurs have been using Butler and Anderson at the 4 a lot this past month. Those two basically negate the need for another big. Spurs have Duncan/West/LMA/Diaw/Boban up front as well.

    The fact the Spurs now have LMA hitting 18-20 footers (and even West), the Spurs don't need Bonner as much against OKC to draw Ibaka from the lane. That is one thing that Bonner did have going for him when it comes to playoff matchups. And remember it was Diaw not Bonner that scorched OKC the last time the Spurs played them in the playoffs.
    West has taken a couple of 3's this season. Spurs don't need Bonner to space out the big.

    Butler gives a guy at PF that is big enough to cover someone like Draymond Green. He's actually bigger than Green.

    Spurs will need to have all the quick footed 6'6" players to cover the Warriors. I just don't see how Bonner fits in the equation. I do see Butler having value though.

    We shall see. However, I will be quite upset if Bonner is kept over Butler.

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    Who cares? If Butler or Bonner sees any time in the playoffs other than a blowout we're in trouble.

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