Why do you think it's important to be (or not to be) Politically Correct?

[spurraider21]

not at all, but I appreciate your lack of perception.

Christian Taliban are the major faction of American Christians, not a tiny slice.

Do we have a war against Christianity, booboo?

[spurraider21]

I think avoiding the term at all times is unnecessary.

On the other hand, you have those who believe calling it "Radical Islamic Terrorism" at every opportunity is, somehow, going to have any positive effect towards the war on terror. They force it into conversation and cry PC anytime you don't describe terrorism with the label. That's worse.

Agreed on both counts

[dbestpro]

I prefer that people should say whatever they think otherwise discussions that matter never happen. When you shut a person up, and do not let them speak, then their thoughts lead to anger, and anger leads to prejudice, and eventually violence. We are all better served by thicker skin, and even better by words of substance.

[CosmicCowboy]

"Trump 2016" in chalk on a sidewalk?

Give me a ing break.

Over sensitive little es.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Political correctness is tainted with bias, tbh.

You'll likely be criticized for talking about about men's rights, for instance, because it's somehow sexist despite men having many disadvantages in issues such as child custody or divorce settlements and told to feel guilty about an imaginary wage gap.

Women's rights, though? Say what you want, you will be protected. How can you be sexist to assume women should have an easier path for the same work if most women end up choosing less rewarding careers?

I'm glad you mentioned men's rights. Men as a whole have problems that need to be addressed. I wish it had more traction than it does, and I'm gettin tired of excuses like "women's issues are worse or more numerous so they deserve all the attention."

[Mitch]

I'm glad you mentioned men's rights. Men as a whole have problems that need to be addressed. I wish it had more traction than it does, and I'm gettin tired of excuses like "women's issues are worse or more numerous so they deserve all the attention."

Yep, but good luck trying to bring up men's rights in a serious conversation with people who side with feminists. We should have political correctness in mainstream media, but it's tainted with bias so that's why many people are rejecting it.

[z0sa]

PC is a reaction to mass media becoming more and more heavily immersive and saturated across the population. PC is a relative non issue in the third world.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Yep, but good luck trying to bring up men's rights in a serious conversation with people who side with feminists. We should have political correctness in mainstream media, but it's tainted with bias so that's why many people are rejecting it.

Yeah, I agree. Those are some of the reasons why I made this post. Your either PC or your a bad person; is complete garbage. PC culture ignores and even belittles "non-minorities" problems. For example, men's problems get looked at like they either don't exist or are just not important in the grand scope of things. Feminist's claims to want to men to not be beholden to their gender roles is not pushed for in any way that will accomplish anything not related to women rights so many things get overlooked (if not overlooked then it's get demonized.) It's infuriating. They end up looking like they are trying to create enemies instead of fixing problems or making the world a better place. These groups definitely have there use (and need), but until they become completely inclusive, I won't be able to be fully on board.

[Mitch]

Yeah, I agree. Those are some of the reasons why I made this post. Your either PC or your a bad person; is complete garbage. PC culture ignores and even belittles "non-minorities" problems. For example, men's problems get looked at like they either don't exist or are just not important in the grand scope of things. Feminist's claims to want to men to not be beholden to their gender roles is not pushed for in any way that will accomplish anything not related to women rights so many things get overlooked (if not overlooked then it's get demonized.) It's infuriating. They end up looking like they are trying to create enemies instead of fixing problems or making the world a better place. These groups definitely have there use (and need), but until they become completely inclusive, I won't be able to be fully on board.

Yep, there's this gayboy named Milo who talks about the damage political correctness does, makes pretty good points. Hard to take him seriously, feels like he's a running gag, but he does make good points.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Yep, there's this gayboy named Milo who talks about the damage political correctness does, makes pretty good points. Hard to take him seriously, feels like he's a running gag, but he does make good points.

I know who Milo is. He's a good guy even if he's an asshole (he would take that as a double complement).

[Warlord23]

I think PC is primarily a manifestation of the free market. Whether you're a corporation, a university or an elected official, your target market today is much more diverse than it was 30 years ago.

Back in the day you could make off-color remarks about women, Asians, Hispanics, gays, foreigners etc (maybe not as much about blacks given the civil rights era) without much impact. Now, foreign students are some of the smartest, most employable people in American schools. Women have a lot more earning and purchasing power. The biggest markets are all big cities where almost everyone has gay or minority friends. Many corporations are multi-national and need to project a consistent image globally.

If rural America had anywhere close to the purchasing power of the big population centres and the rest of the developed world, I'm sure you wouldn't find everyone falling over themselves to err on the side of PC. The almighty dollar has the last word.

[All Mighty Janitor]

I think PC is primarily a manifestation of the free market. Whether you're a corporation, a university or an elected official, your target market today is much more diverse than it was 30 years ago.

Back in the day you could make off-color remarks about women, Asians, Hispanics, gays, foreigners etc (maybe not as much about blacks given the civil rights era) without much impact. Now, foreign students are some of the smartest, most employable people in American schools. Women have a lot more earning and purchasing power. The biggest markets are all big cities where almost everyone has gay or minority friends. Many corporations are multi-national and need to project a consistent image globally.

If rural America had anywhere close to the purchasing power of the big population centres and the rest of the developed world, I'm sure you wouldn't find everyone falling over themselves to err on the side of PC. The almighty dollar has the last word.

Yep, all true. It doesn't make it any less annoying though. People and business end up pandering certain groups of people. That wouldn't be bad if you didn't have to mention those groups with every other breath less you incur the wrath of the PC police. At least back when the moral police were majority christian, there was only on thing you had to consistently mention; God. Now, even if you mention you believe in rights for black, Asian, Hispanic, gay, women, and transgender people, you still didn't mention lesbian rights (even though it was implied when you said gay) so you are now a bigot and can be persecuted. No amount of explaining we save your reputation. The company might keep you, but the company we take some of the blame and the storm will never go away. Both you and your employer will always be exceptable targets.

[pgardn]

What exactly is being politically correct?

Is it just avoiding broad generalization to characterize a group in order to gain some perceived advantage? Even though you think it perfectly characterizes that broad group you decline to make it public out of fear.

I believe this does exist and I also believe there are Democrats who avoid making valid points and Republicans who purposely go to extremes to incite fervor by overextending the term to a ridiculous degree.

For example, the "safe zones" on some college campuses were absolutely ridiculous. They were silly and over the top. In contrast, purposely claiming one despises the avoidance of supposed political correctness as an excuse to spread your own clearly skewed evaluations of cultures for purposes of inciting hatred is disingenuous and overused, mostly by conservatives. Islam is clearly being slandered as some sort of ubiquitous cohesive wave of evil, that's very clear to me.

[All Mighty Janitor]

What exactly is being politically correct?

Is it just avoiding broad generalization to characterize a group in order to gain some perceived advantage? Even though you think it perfectly characterizes that broad group you decline to make it public out of fear.

I believe this does exist and I also believe there are Democrats who avoid making valid points and Republicans who purposely go to extremes to incite fervor by overextending the term to a ridiculous degree.

For example, the "safe zones" on some college campuses were absolutely ridiculous. They were silly and over the top. In contrast, purposely claiming one despises the avoidance of supposed political correctness as an excuse to spread your own clearly skewed evaluations of cultures for purposes of inciting hatred is disingenuous and overused, mostly by conservatives. Islam is clearly being slandered as some sort of ubiquitous cohesive wave of evil, that's very clear to me.

Response to bold section:
Being PC is changing what you say and do to not offend groups of people. I think it comes from a desire to be good to others and to improve the world. None of those things are bad. The bad part of PC culture is when only certain groups of people have a right to be offended(and thus protection from people who wish you ill intent); bad when being PC clouds your perception of events just because of who said it. If being PC just meant the good that I listed I would have no problems with it. Some groups of people need protection from bigots. But when it gives some people a shield for their bad behavior and hangs a Sword of Democles over others just for existing, it makes it hard to accept.

What do you mean by the underlined section?

[Will Hunting]

Jerry Seinfeld said it best the other day when he was explaining why he doesn't do college performances anymore. People (particularly young people) at some point in time began to find joy in accusing others of being "racist!" or "sexist!" or " phobic!" without even bothering to know what those words mean.

Maybe as Warlord23 said a more diverse target market has something to do with it but it's not like there wasn't diversity 50-100 years ago, people were just tougher and had thicker skin back then. Jews, Italians, Polish people and Irish people all regularly referred to each other as , wop, donkey or polack on a daily basis and there wasn't any outrage about it like there is now.

The most re ed part of political correctness is that it's oversimplified racism and has made it about whether or not a few stupid words while ignoring the context/underlying meaning of what's being said. The PC police was coming after Paula Dean with pitchforks because she, an outspoken Obama supporter, made a few off color jokes that may or may not have included the word n!gger. Meanwhile, the PC police is nowhere to be found when the new Ghostbusters movie casts three white women as book smart scientists who need the help of a black woman who might lack book smarts but has "street smarts" even though its underlying message was a lot more racist than a few jokes Paula Dean made off camera. But hey, since it's a PG-13 movie that doesn't use any racial slurs, there's no way it can be racist.

Here's an example of everything that's wrong with "enlightened" young people these days:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anthon...b_7540878.html

[pgardn]

Response to bold section:
Being PC is changing what you say and do to not offend groups of people. I think it comes from a desire to be good to others and to improve the world. None of those things are bad. The bad part of PC culture is when only certain groups of people have a right to be offended(and thus protection from people who wish you ill intent); bad when being PC clouds your perception of events just because of who said it. If being PC just meant the good that I listed I would have no problems with it. Some groups of people need protection from bigots. But when it's gives some people a shield for their bad behavior and hangs a Sword of Democles over others just for existing, it makes it hard to accept.

What do you mean by the underlined section?

That one holds back out of a concern for being labeled racist, etc... even though the point being made is legitimate to most people of reason.

For example: I think it is painfully obvious that broken homes, especially in poverty stricken areas, have a real problem raising kids. I think this is a big problem in the African American community. Obama has said as much as well. The problem with the above could be that poverty in general is more likely to create broken homes. There are culture morays that have caught on in African American communities that worship money and societal trends in jewlrey, unnecessarily expensive shoes, degradation of women, that are also very bad for a family. I think it deserves to be talked about as realization might lead to a change in values. No matter what, it needs to be discussed.

Others would counter we need to get rid of the awful environment causing the behavior described above before any changes in all poverty stricken families can take place. Fine. But it still needs to be addressed.


Boots would simplify it as the f-ability of America by Big _________ (insert preference).

[All Mighty Janitor]

That one holds back out of a concern for being labeled racist, etc... even though the point being made is legitimate to most people of reason.

For example: I think it is painfully obvious that broken homes, especially in poverty stricken areas, have a real problem raising kids. I think this is a big problem in the African American community. Obama has said as much as well. The problem with the above could be that poverty in general is more likely to create broken homes. There are culture morays that have caught on in African American communities that worship money and societal trends in jewlrey, unnecessarily expensive shoes, degradation of women, that are also very bad for a family. I think it deserves to be talked about as realization might lead to a change in values. No matter what, it needs to be discussed.

Others would counter we need to get rid of the awful environment causing the behavior described above before any changes in all poverty stricken families can take place. Fine. But it still needs to be addressed.


Boots would simplify it as the f-ability of America by Big _________ (insert preference).

I'm still not sure if you were referring to me specifically, and i didn't want to jump-the-gun but I'm going to say this anyway. I'm not being intentionally vague to hide something or am holding back anything. I've said what I meant. If it seemed like I was referring to a specific minority group, I was not; I'm being general BECAUSE I'm not referring to any specific group, just PC people in general. I feel like I've gone out my way to make this clear, but I guess I didn't do a good enough job. If you need more explaining than that you're gonna have to ask me a specific question, because I'm not sure why you would come to the conclusion that I'm some closet bigot unless your doing exactly what I said was a problem in this tread: accusing people of being a bigot just because they don't think being PC is all important. Sure it has it's place (which I have previously listed), but it has it's faults that need to be address before I can accept it as some all-encompassing barometer of goodness in people.

[pgardn]

I'm still not sure if you were referring to me specifically, and i didn't want to jump-the-gun but I'm going to say this anyway. I'm not being intentionally vague to hide something or am holding back anything. I've said what I meant. If it seemed like I was referring to a specific minority group, I was not; I'm being general BECAUSE I'm not referring to any specific group, just PC people in general. I feel like I've gone out my way to make this clear, but I guess I didn't do a good enough job. If you need more explaining than that you're gonna have to ask me a specific question, because I'm not sure why you would come to the conclusion that I'm some closet bigot unless your doing exactly what I said was a problem in this tread: accusing people of being a bigot just because they don't think be PC is all important. Sure it has it's place (which I have previously listed), but it has it's faults that need to be address before I can accept it as some all-encompassing barometer of goodness in people.

Nope.

I think there must be legitimate discussion. But not use PC as a buzzword because one is generally hateful and this claim of PC gets them off the hook.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs have, in concerted strategy, trashed PC because they want to enable, condone, excuse, justify their racist, xenophobic, phobic base to be blatantly unPC in their racism, xenophobia, phobia.

[Wild Cobra]

Repugs have, in concerted strategy, trashed PC because they want to enable, condone, excuse, justify their racist, xenophobic, phobic base to be blatantly unPC in their racism, xenophobia, phobia.

Careful.

Your bigotry is showing...

[All Mighty Janitor]

Repugs have, in concerted strategy, trashed PC because they want to enable, condone, excuse, justify their racist, xenophobic, phobic base to be blatantly unPC in their racism, xenophobia, phobia.

Do you think that there is any downside to being PC? Is there any part of PC culture that you don't like?

[Blake]

I just laugh at people inside who demand political correctness, and exclude them from my circle of friends.

We know there's no black surgeons in your circle of friends

[boutons_deux]

Do you think that there is any downside to being PC? Is there any part of PC culture that you don't like?

There's a downside to everything. What downside to PC do you propose?

Repug/Fox's objective in trashing PC is to achieve the downsides, to enable, to justify calling blacks knitters, saying blacks are genetically inferior, calling Hispanics s, calling Muslims terrorists, calling LGBTQ all kinds of hateful , calling women hos and es, and unending litany of insults.

[All Mighty Janitor]

There's a downside to everything. What downside to PC do you propose?

Repug/Fox's objective in trashing PC is to achieve the downsides, to enable, to justify calling blacks knitters, saying blacks are genetically inferior, calling Hispanics s, calling Muslims terrorists, calling LGBTQ all kinds of hateful , calling women hos and es, and unending litany of insults.

I do agree that bashing PC creates a climate where calling people bad things is easier and more acceptable. I wouldn't agree that this is the objective of conservative outlets as a whole. Most of the criticism of PC does come from conservatives but not all; not by a long shot. I don't particularly care for the term but that's where the phrase "the regressive left" comes from. It's a way to say that liberals are being divided by this issue. I say all this because it's important to know where the disagreement and distaste of PC culture comes from.

Some of the extreme aspects of PC culture are gaining traction and people on both sides don't like where this is going. Calls to have Principals/ Presidents of Unis fired for not being PC enough (and other such actions) are the actions of moral police. When people have the ability to go after people for NOT agreeing with them (whether its the predominate belief of not) you don't get justice, you get witch hunts. If the witch hunts were just about what people said I wouldn't be so opposed to it. But when people are being criticized for "not doing enough for social change" there is no limit for the PC police to determine when somebody becomes "problematic." That's why I said initially that one must go out of their way to appease them. They are forced to be nice and caring (they can't be indifferent; there is no gray area) or else. I'd be one thing if being PC was just encouraged; I don't think you would see much push back if that was the case.

This isn't the only problem with PC culture that I have though. As I have mentioned in this thread before, the inherent bias in PCness where certain groups of people (non "minorities") are not offered help with getting rid of their preconceived notions is a problem for me (and others). Also, these groups are often demonized as well to have somebody to blame. This bias goes two ways where minorities are defended (and pedestalized), even in situations where they are clearly wrong, just because they are a part of a minority group. Legitimate criticism is not allowed.

[daslicer]

This bias goes two ways where minorities are defended (and pedestalized), even in situations where they are clearly wrong, just because they are a part of a minority group. Legitimate criticism is not allowed.

I have noticed that only really applies to Hispanics and Blacks. Asians pretty much are the invisible minority that the PC police doesn't care about.