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    According to what I read, he was legally detained. Therefore, he was not "kidnapped" which is a qualifier to become extraordinary rendition.
    this is more hairsplitting. Arar was handed over to Syria to be tortured on the flimsiest pretext.

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    this is more hairsplitting. Arar was handed over to Syria to be tortured on the flimsiest pretext.
    He was a Syrian citizen, they wanted him. What I don't know is, what was Canada's role in it? They acknowledge fault, but I haven't seen what it is.

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    He was a Syrian citizen, they wanted him.
    we detained Maher Arar at Syria's request? Bull .

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    we detained Maher Arar at Syria's request? Bull .
    I guess you're right. I did some reasearch, and it seems things are different than I thought.

    The Royal Canadian mounted Police are the ones who informed the FBI of his meeting with a known Al Quada agent. probably coincidence. He had dual citizenship with Canada, but Canada wouldn't take him...

    He was therefore deported to Syria as a suspected agent of Al Queda.

    It was their up.
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    having failed to show any treaties supporting extraordinary rendition, WC mounts a weak semantic challenge with a hair-splitting flourish.
    To add, I would not call extraordinary rendition legal, unless it is explicitly part of a treaty.

    I am saying the articles BS of making the claim of so many extraordinary renditions.

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    Another thread of WC demonstrating he has the intuition of a toilet seat. Keep on guessing; keeping on being on.

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    I am saying the articles BS of making the claim of so many extraordinary renditions.
    you have no apparent basis for doing so, but you're welcome to it.

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    So Chumpy...

    I think you will agree that rendition is a type of extradition. So by your definition, when does extradition become rendition, and when does rendition become extraordinary rendition?
    I most certainly do not agree that extraordinary rendition is a type of extradition. I'll thank you to not project your complete misunderstanding of terms onto others.

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    The rationale for the naked photography, described by knowledgeable sources, was to insulate the CIA from legal or political ramifications stemming from their brutal treatment in the hands of its partner intelligence agencies.


    Stripping the victims of clothing was considered necessary to do ent their physical condition while in CIA custody, distinguishing them at that point from what they would subsequently experience in foreign custody – despite the public diplomatic assurances against torture that the US demonstrably collected from countries with a record of torturing detainees.
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...aked-detainees

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    ... more to the mountains of evidence that USA is no better, no less corrupt, no less law-breaker, not EXCEPTIONAL, than any 3rd rate hole countries.

    The Biblical "Shining City on a Hill" is just another myth, a lie Americans tell themselves.

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    new to me


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    third country deportations strongly resemble extraordinary rendition -- US binds over detainees to countries that will imprison and torture them, then turns a blind eye to it

    rather harsh medicine for civil violations

    Two men deported to Equatorial Guinea by the Trump administration were hooded, bound, beaten with guns and shoved down a flight of stairs recently by police officers at a remote hotel where immigrants are being held indefinitely, according to witnesses and lawyers.

    The deportees said the beatings and subsequent arrests were intended to stop them from telling the outside world about the deteriorating conditions and growing violence inside the hotel, which has become a de facto prison for 29 men and women from different countries.

    Experts and human rights advocates predicted such abuse after the Trump administration began deporting people to authoritarian countries where they had no ties or, in many cases, legal rights. Equatorial Guinea, like other countries cooperating with the U.S. deportation program, is notorious for human rights violations, including torture and arbitrary arrest, according to the State Department.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/w...al-guinea.html

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    “We are in imminent danger now and can’t keep living like this,” Ahmed Soliman, a deportee at the hotel, said in a text message to The New York Times this month. “I’m tired and genuinely afraid for my life.” He was one of the two men who were later beaten and hooded, witnesses and the human rights group Amnesty International said.


    Though the hotel operates as a prison, none of the immigrants are charged with a crime in Equatorial Guinea. The indefinite detention reflects a contradiction at the heart of many arrangements between Washington and foreign governments. Equatorial Guinea agreed to take people but has given them no legal rights or do ents that would let them live or work there, even temporarily.


    American judges had ruled that a majority of the immigrants in the hotel could not be deported to their home countries because they were likely to be tortured or persecuted. For years, officials allowed many such people to stay in the United States by default, despite their lack of legal standing. The Trump administration ended that policy and is working to find countries, like Equatorial Guinea, willing to accept them.

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