Boris Diaw will miss all three games of the road trip with an abductor injury.

Originally Posted by GSH

Well me, here we go again.

There are a group of muscles that are, in fact, abductors. They generally say that, rather than "ass strain".

If you use your right leg to shove to the left, you're using abductors. Scissor your legs together - adductor. Scissor your legs apart - abductor. If you've ever done a leg curl machine, where you lay on your stomach and curl your legs upward toward your ass, you've worked abductors. And when you pull one of those muscles, it hurts like a . But, in general, those muscles heal quicker than the ones on the inside (adductors). An adductor strain can hang on and on, and flare back up after you think it's healed.

In what way did you read that as a disagreement about which way an appendage moves? I agreed with you. Abduct moves away. You had that right. Simple enough. Nor did I take issue with anything you said about healing times. You seem far more expert than I am about healing times. I wouldn't make your claims. Nor challenge them, even though they seem anecdotal.

The gluts are almost (I'm being generous, here...I have never) never referred to as "the abductors", except when describing to someone the general class of their movement, and them being a member of that class. A doctor may have described your ass sprain to you in this way. Now, you think your ass cheeks are generally referred to as abductors. They are not. I understand that you may have been experiencing a lot of pain in your ass region, and this caused you to misunderstand, so we'll let it slide. The adductors, however, in your thigh are ALWAYS referred to as adductors, as it is incorporated into their names. Adductor magnus, adductor longus, adductor brevis. We don't refer to our gluts in a similar way, nor our supraspinatus, etc.

If the report or you would have said "hip abductors" then there would be no discussion, as the region has been isolated, the group is referred to in THAT way, but not generally as "the abductors".

Your vocal cords have abductors, and your supraspinatus is an abductor, and your gluts are abductors. Saying "I pulled my abductors" may happen in circles you run in, but if I were to say that, at least a few people would say "Which one, dumbass?" Ok, maybe not. They're not generally that vulgar, but they would not know which one I was referring to, and they might easily assume that it was a muscle with abductor in the name, as mentioned. They might think I injured my hand. They would have little reason to jump right to my ass and assume that was the non-abductor named abductor muscle out of the 25 or so non-abductor named abductor muscles that I was referring to.

And, for whatever reason, there is confusion about which it is.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...tor-and-return

That says "adductor" pretty clearly.

A confusion that would have been clearned up had whoever given the report not used vague and nonspecific terminology such as you are promoting.

Not that it matters much. I'm sure he will be fine. This is just academic.

Being that I see several sites are now reporting "adductor", it seems to agree with my assumption that it is one of his adductor magnus, longus, or brevis or a combination thereof, and that if it was a gluteal strain they would have referred to it differently than "his right abductor", which is simply to vague. It could cause unnecessary confusion. But, when you say adductor, it narrows it down to only a few muscles so named.

Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin

In what way did you read that as a disagreement about which way an appendage moves? I agreed with you. Abduct moves away. You had that right. Simple enough. Nor did I take issue with anything you said about healing times. You seem far more expert than I am about healing times. I wouldn't make your claims. Nor challenge them, even though they seem anecdotal.

The gluts are almost (I'm being generous, here...I have never) never referred to as "the abductors", except when describing to someone the general class of their movement, and them being a member of that class. A doctor may have described your ass sprain to you in this way. Now, you think your ass cheeks are generally referred to as abductors. They are not. I understand that you may have been experiencing a lot of pain in your ass region, and this caused you to misunderstand, so we'll let it slide. The adductors, however, in your thigh are ALWAYS referred to as adductors, as it is incorporated into their names. Adductor magnus, adductor longus, adductor brevis. We don't refer to our gluts in a similar way, nor our supraspinatus, etc.

If the report or you would have said "hip abductors" then there would be no discussion, as the region has been isolated, the group is referred to in THAT way, but not generally as "the abductors".

Your vocal cords have abductors, and your supraspinatus is an abductor, and your gluts are abductors. Saying "I pulled my abductors" may happen in circles you run in, but if I were to say that, at least a few people would say "Which one, dumbass?" Ok, maybe not. They're not generally that vulgar, but they would not know which one I was referring to, and they might easily assume that it was a muscle with abductor in the name, as mentioned. They might think I injured my hand. They would have little reason to jump right to my ass and assume that was the non-abductor named abductor muscle out of the 25 or so non-abductor named abductor muscles that I was referring to.

And, for whatever reason, there is confusion about which it is.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...tor-and-return

That says "adductor" pretty clearly.

A confusion that would have been clearned up had whoever given the report not used vague and nonspecific terminology such as you are promoting.

So you're saying it was confusing because they didn't specify that it was his ass, and not his throat? I was sure they weren't talking about his vocal cord abductors, you assclown, because it's basketball. He wasn't injured at choir practice. Abductor injuries aren't uncommon, and that's EXACTLY how they refer to them in injury reports - because they don't want to say "ass strain". It doesn't make a which report is accurate - you don't know about either. You just googled up a bunch of you know nothing about.

Derrick Rose had 16 points for Chicago in his return after missing two games with a left abductor strain. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lebron-...0529--nba.html

The Suns were down to only nine available players to start the game, with starting guard Brandon Knight out due to an abductor strain. http://www.nba.com/games/20160121/SASPHX/gameinfo.html

...after news broke that Samuel Dalembert (left abductor strain) will miss 4-to-6 weeks. http://www.rotowire.com/basketball/s...e.htm?id=10851

Even the therapy sites talk about abductor strains being a "Pain in the [ass]". http://www.massagetoday.com/mpacms/m...e.php?id=14379

Why do you people just insist on trying to sound like Bill Nye The Science Guy, about you're completely clueless about? Once again, I'm sure you won't rest till you get the last word, so just keep digging the dumbass hole for yourself.

Originally Posted by Solid D

Taking a muscle against its will.

for a ransom? LMAO

Originally Posted by playbonner15

for a ransom? LMAO

Originally Posted by GSH

So you're saying it was confusing because they didn't specify that it was his ass, and not his throat? I was sure they weren't talking about his vocal cord abductors, you assclown, because it's basketball. He wasn't injured at choir practice. Abductor injuries aren't uncommon, and that's EXACTLY how they refer to them in injury reports - because they don't want to say "ass strain". It doesn't make a which report is accurate - you don't know about either. You just googled up a bunch of you know nothing about.

Derrick Rose had 16 points for Chicago in his return after missing two games with a left abductor strain. http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/307308-overview://sports.yahoo.com/news/lebron-less-cavaliers-beat-mavs-nba-warriors-home-054820529--nba.html

The Suns were down to only nine available players to start the game, with starting guard Brandon Knight out due to an abductor strain. http://www.nba.com/games/20160121/SASPHX/gameinfo.html

...after news broke that Samuel Dalembert (left abductor strain) will miss 4-to-6 weeks. http://www.rotowire.com/basketball/s...e.htm?id=10851

Even the therapy sites talk about abductor strains being a "Pain in the [ass]". http://www.massagetoday.com/mpacms/mt/articlye.php?id=14379

Why do you people just insist on trying to sound like Bill Nye The Science Guy, about you're completely clueless about? Once again, I'm sure you won't rest till you get the last word, so just keep digging the dumbass hole for yourself.

I'm no expert like you, but I do have about 10 anatomy books, and 2-3 DVDs, and a few anatomy apps on my phone. But, I am not making ridiculous claims about healing times. That's some real Bill Nye , there, based upon your pulled muscles at Gold's Gym. You're making broad, sweeping claims about healing times that doctors would be far more conservative about even after experiments and data. You're the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black, dumbass. I claimed nothing more than a term is vague, and generally not used because of that. That's hardly the bold scientific claim you're making. But, I tried to be polite and side-step that asinine .

I didn't have to Google what "abduct" meant, or where the adductors are located, or what they're named.

You are a bad poker player.

Now, one of your sources is identifying the region "ass" which proves my point, not yours. When you refer to abductor strain, you specify the region, like they did. Because there are so many and they're not NAMED abductors (generally). That's why you DO see them referred to as "hip abductors".

Now Google "abductor strain" and "adductor strain". You'll find entries for one, and not the other. Because one is used far more frequently and the other is generally vague. Not used. Why is there no definition of an "abductor strain"? Use your own source, medscape! Which one do they have an entry for? Guess what. Your own source, medscape, has an entry for "adductor strain" in their database. They have no such entry for "abductor strain" because, why? Just to spite you? No, for the very reason I've stated. It's too vague to make it into the lexicon. That's your own source.

I can find instances where "irregardless" is used in place of "regardless". It's still stupid. Even if it's now "acceptable" because it's been used improperly so many times, it's still stupid.

So, basically, you found a couple of instances where basketball articles are lazy and drop the "hip" and rely on the reader to discern that they must be referring to the hip. It's lazy, irregardless, but I can figure it out if that's what they're going to publish. But, don't confuse lazy reporting for support for your argument. That term just doesn't really even exist as an actual medical term.

Actually, the more educated the audience, the more specific you have to be. If I say "abductor" to a coworker, they will be inquisitive as to which one, specifically. If you are a lazy reporter, reporting to GSH, you can drop the "hip" or not name the specific muscles, because he's too ing dense to understand nuance, and he knows the ass muscles are "THE abductors". ing mouthbreathers like you probably order "food" at the drive through, too: May I take your order?

"FOOD"

Again, your own web source has a definition for "adductor strain" and not one for "abductor strain". If you search Google, all references go one of two places...back to "adductor strain" because, well, it's a recognized thing, or to "hip abductor", because...well..."abductor strain" isn't really much of a recognized thing by itself. This isn't me saying this. This is every textbook and Google. But, I know. I'm an idiot and it's a thing cuz a reporter said it.

Can you show me at some medical terminology sites or Bill Nye sites where they use that terminology, instead of 2-3 beat reporters that may have even been quoted "hip abductor" and they dropped hip.

No. You can't. Because it really isn't used that way. Now, get busy and list all the references to adductor strain. Seeya next week. It's a long list. You can start with medscape's ing dictionary. The one that doesn't contain "abductor strain".

Edit: And, if you don't want me to keep responding, stop saying stupid . Which may be impossible, I know.

Originally Posted by spurtech09

What is a abductor injury?

It's when Liam Neeson roughs up kidnappers in the movie Taken.

I guess diaws ass is literelly injured.

Of course this topic turns into a pissing contest to see who knows more about the human body

Anyways, I'm fine with this. Whether he's actually injured or not, hopefully sitting out these next 3 games means he's likely to play at home vs. GS and OKC. We should be able to beat Utah/Denver just fine without him, and I don't really care about dropping the game in GS at this point. Just want our guys to at least get the chance to go undefeated at home. Go ahead and sit whoever these next 3 games, but let them play GS at home full strength.

You do realize that Diaw has been the most consistent Spur health-wise from 2014? Dude needs rest.

So you're saying it was confusing because they didn't specify that it was his ass, and not his throat? I was sure they weren't talking about his vocal cord abductors, you assclown, because it's basketball. He wasn't injured at choir practice. Abductor injuries aren't uncommon, and that's EXACTLY how they refer to them in injury reports - because they don't want to say "ass strain".


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Excluded middle. You mention vocal cords, but ignore supraspinatus. Easily a basketball injury. Shoulders are constantly being injured, and it was explained to you quite clearly that there are abductors in the shoulder, or specifically one was...you may not have known where the supraspinatus was. But, psst...it's in the shoulder. You chose to ignore that one, and suggest I thought he injured his vocal cords when that was obvioulsly listed as an example of how many different types of abductors there were. Disingenuous.

And who said they weren't common? Just strawman there. So are shoulder injuries. At best, calling it an abductor strain is basketball injury report inspeak or cant. Shorthand. A polite way to say "lazy" or "ignorant".

And another excluded middle, "ass strain" isn't the only choice, and I already stated this as a possible reason they use the vague term, here. Now, you're just copy and pasting my word for word. Get your own material. But, they could say either gluteal strain, name the specific muscle, or use the more appropriate "hip abductor". Ass isn't the only other of binary options.

gets even worse...I just Googled your Pain in the Ass link and the le is HIP ABDUCTORS: pain in the ass...lol. Not "abductor strain"...



Hip Abductors: A Pain in the . . .


By Whitney Lowe, LMT


Pain in the lateral hip, thigh, and leg can cause serious, sometimes debilitating discomfort. These complaints are often diagnosed as an inflammatory joint problem such as trochanteric bursitis.

Originally Posted by SpurPadre

He was key in the last Dubs game so I guess Pop doesn't want to give Kerr a chance to figure him out.

hoping this is just a small stuff, this is actually not bad to get him rest tbh... he needs it

How did I end up on webmd.com?

The Spurs site says "soreness, right adductor."

http://www.nba.com/spurs/spurs-injury-report-4/4/16

Presumably, that means what they used to call "groin muscle strain" or "groin muscle pull," since the muscles in question are on the inside of the thigh and attach to the lower pelvis.

It is not a major injury but it can be very bothersome for an unpleasantly long time.

Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin

I'm no expert like you, but I do have about 10 anatomy books, and 2-3 DVDs, and a few anatomy apps on my phone. But, I am not making ridiculous claims about healing times. That's some real Bill Nye , there, based upon your pulled muscles at Gold's Gym. You're making broad, sweeping claims about healing times that doctors would be far more conservative about even after experiments and data. You're the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black, dumbass. I claimed nothing more than a term is vague, and generally not used because of that. That's hardly the bold scientific claim you're making. But, I tried to be polite and side-step that asinine .

I didn't have to Google what "abduct" meant, or where the adductors are located, or what they're named.

You are a bad poker player.

Now, one of your sources is identifying the region "ass" which proves my point, not yours. When you refer to abductor strain, you specify the region, like they did. Because there are so many and they're not NAMED abductors (generally). That's why you DO see them referred to as "hip abductors".

Now Google "abductor strain" and "adductor strain". You'll find entries for one, and not the other. Because one is used far more frequently and the other is generally vague. Not used. Why is there no definition of an "abductor strain"? Use your own source, medscape! Which one do they have an entry for? Guess what. Your own source, medscape, has an entry for "adductor strain" in their database. They have no such entry for "abductor strain" because, why? Just to spite you? No, for the very reason I've stated. It's too vague to make it into the lexicon. That's your own source.

I can find instances where "irregardless" is used in place of "regardless". It's still stupid. Even if it's now "acceptable" because it's been used improperly so many times, it's still stupid.

So, basically, you found a couple of instances where basketball articles are lazy and drop the "hip" and rely on the reader to discern that they must be referring to the hip. It's lazy, irregardless, but I can figure it out if that's what they're going to publish. But, don't confuse lazy reporting for support for your argument. That term just doesn't really even exist as an actual medical term.

Actually, the more educated the audience, the more specific you have to be. If I say "abductor" to a coworker, they will be inquisitive as to which one, specifically. If you are a lazy reporter, reporting to GSH, you can drop the "hip" or not name the specific muscles, because he's too ing dense to understand nuance, and he knows the ass muscles are "THE abductors". ing mouthbreathers like you probably order "food" at the drive through, too: May I take your order?

"FOOD"

Again, your own web source has a definition for "adductor strain" and not one for "abductor strain". If you search Google, all references go one of two places...back to "adductor strain" because, well, it's a recognized thing, or to "hip abductor", because...well..."abductor strain" isn't really much of a recognized thing by itself. This isn't me saying this. This is every textbook and Google. But, I know. I'm an idiot and it's a thing cuz a reporter said it.

Can you show me at some medical terminology sites or Bill Nye sites where they use that terminology, instead of 2-3 beat reporters that may have even been quoted "hip abductor" and they dropped hip.

No. You can't. Because it really isn't used that way. Now, get busy and list all the references to adductor strain. Seeya next week. It's a long list. You can start with medscape's ing dictionary. The one that doesn't contain "abductor strain".

Edit: And, if you don't want me to keep responding, stop saying stupid . Which may be impossible, I know.

For such a long and meandering post, you provided very little substance. And, when you finally get to it, your rebuttal to the key point that NBA and other articles use generic terms is to hand-wave it away by declaration. GSH's argument was never over the proper medical terminology.

And for someone who is so concerned about nuance and higher education, you used "irregardless" in your screed.

Originally Posted by Perry Mason

For such a long and meandering post, you provided very little substance. And, when you finally get to it, your rebuttal to the key point that NBA and other articles use generic terms is to hand-wave it away by declaration. GSH's argument was never over the proper medical terminology.

And for someone who is so concerned about nuance and higher education, you used "irregardless" in your screed.

"Irregardless" was a joke mentioned previously. I am sure there are plenty of errors in there, but that wasn't one. I'm not making infallibility claims. And, when I just made an initial comment about the terminology difference (I didn't even reply to him, but to someone that asked a question about what the muscles were), GSH was the one that lost his , because a small part of my reply to the person asking the question contradicted something he had said later in the thread. He was the one that jumped on me. I didn't address him. Regarding what more you wanted me to prove, it's a pretty trivial matter and I'm pretty sure I overkilled it, not insufficiently explained.

If you believe that it wasn't his argument that it was a proper way to refer to those muscles, we'll have to disagree. He went to some length, even if he failed, to try to find some links at medscape and a massage therapy site to show that professionals use the term. Of course, both of those more "credible" sites he attempted actually supported my point, not his.

So, if the discussion has boiled down to some sources, mostly basketball or sports related, sometimes use the term in an informal/improper way, I'm fine with that. Again, I don't see him writing with conservative mellow statements like that. Instead, he is unyielding, and actually turns up the volume, and overstates things.

The Spurs are the most statically advanced team in probably all Sports. They have computer programs and technology which can predict (based on multiple variables and scenarios), when players are more susceptible to fatigue, to get injured, among other things. So, there's an empirical process/info, behind months and years of research to back up these "rest days". Not just some crazy coach randomly selecting which player to rest.

Diaw broke his ass?

It's honestly worrying. It is seriously one his most important weapons.

A broke ass Boris is not gonna cut it against GS.

We need his ass!

Hopefully he is ready to go on Sunday.

We need him against GS

We beat them in SA because we made them work on defense and Barnes was hopeless against Diaw when Boris was posting up him.

Originally Posted by elemento

We need him against GS

We beat them in SA because we made them work on defense and Barnes was hopeless against Diaw when Boris was posting up him.

^^ very important point. He's likely to play a lot but will have time to get back in rhythm.

He has a groin injury. I hope it doesn't nag him.

Originally Posted by spursistan

Actually no NBA team wins in San Francisco. Probably because no games are played there.

San Antonio Spurs spurs
INJURY REPORT: Boris Diaw (soreness, right adductor) is out for tomorrow’s Spurs-Warriors game.