8 second violations

[travis2]

Exactly. The rule says you got 8 secs to pass the half-court. Not 7. You are legal from 24 to 16.0. The clock needs to show 15 (9 secs) for the violation.

This is correct. I also understand it is called much like the delay of game penalty in football, in that the official (1) sees the clock, (2) sees the player, (3) then calls the violation. So there is usually a bit of slop on the long side.

[TDomination]

Exactly. The rule says you got 8 secs to pass the half-court. Not 7. You are legal from 24 to 16.0. The clock needs to show 15 (9 secs) for the violation.

Thanks for the clarification.

I always thought it was a violation when 16 was shown.

[Chinook]

This is correct. I also understand it is called much like the delay of game penalty in football, in that the official (1) sees the clock, (2) sees the player, (3) then calls the violation. So there is usually a bit of slop on the long side.

It actually used to be 16 when the shot clock didn't count tenths of seconds. Then the clock would read 24 from 24.0 to 23.1, after which it would change to 23 and so on. Now that it's shifted to where the clock is up at 0.0 rather than 0, you get a lot of instances where the players look to be violating the rules.

As far as the comparison to delays of game, I don't entirely agree. I think NBA refs are actually anticipating a lot more than NFL refs are coached to. In the videos I've seen online, the refs are looking at the clock rather than the players when it gets close. There might be a more-coordinated way they handle it, but it seems like they don't have that extra step of looking at the man that you see in the NFL.

[Chinook]

Thanks for the clarification.

I always thought it was a violation when 16 was shown.

It actually used to be 16 when the shot clock didn't count tenths of seconds. Then the clock would read 24 from 24.0 to 23.1, after which it would change to 23 and so on. Now that it's shifted to where the clock is up at 0.0 rather than 0, you get a lot of instances where the players look to be violating the rules.

[100%duncan]

De rien. It's the least we could do to repay you for your sig.

[polandprzem]

It actually used to be 16 when the shot clock didn't count tenths of seconds. Then the clock would read 24 from 24.0 to 23.1, after which it would change to 23 and so on. Now that it's shifted to where the clock is up at 0.0 rather than 0, you get a lot of instances where the players look to be violating the rules.
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Damn exactly. I forgot about that

[polandprzem]

[Kawhitstorm]

Clock showed 16 before he was fully in, I remember watching it since I watched the replay... Anyways this wasnt the only time like I said. It just peeves me, it's probably the easiest call in the game.

He did it against the Worriers & JVG was screaming about it.

I don't understand why he does it when there is ZERO pressure, probably dreaming about his post-game meal.

[cjw]

As far as the comparison to delays of game, I don't entirely agree. I think NBA refs are actually anticipating a lot more than NFL refs are coached to. In the videos I've seen online, the refs are looking at the clock rather than the players when it gets close. There might be a more-coordinated way they handle it, but it seems like they don't have that extra step of looking at the man that you see in the NFL.

Delay of games in the NFL (and clock management in general) are a complete joke. The officials have too much to look at to care delay of game - should honestly be called from an official upstairs. Generally do need to work more on the clock running correctly. They generally don't seem to care as long as it's not in the last two minutes and still bungle half the decisions inside of two.

[Kawhitstorm]

That would be the equivalent of the refs waving of D-West's 3 at the end of the 1st quarter.

[TampaDude]

I was never a big fan of the Jordan Bulls, but I'm so glad Stockton and Malone never rang. They were two of the dirtiest players in the game. them.

REMEMBER THE ELBOW!!!!!

[tbdog]

Clock showed 16 before he was fully in, I remember watching it since I watched the replay... Anyways this wasnt the only time like I said. It just peeves me, it's probably the easiest call in the game.

But 15 is the violation, not 16.

[baseline bum]

I was going nuts the whole fourth watching Tony cut it to the last second every time. It still makes my blood boil thinking about the time Jason Hart didn't cross the halfcourt line in time and cost the Spurs a huge possession against the Lakers in that 2OT game in 2003-04.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...311060SAS.html

[z0sa]

Clock showed 16 before he was fully in, I remember watching it since I watched the replay... Anyways this wasnt the only time like I said. It just peeves me, it's probably the easiest call in the game.

You only need one toe across the line before 8 seconds is up.

[lilbthebasedgod]

The refs have discretion to not call every foul or violation that happens.

Calling 8 seconds should only be a thing if its egregious imo. It already hurts them because of the 24 second running out.

[TheDoctor]

You only need one toe across the line before 8 seconds is up.

Actually, I think it's the ball that has to be on the other half before the violation.

[polandprzem]

Actually, I think it's the ball that has to be on the other half before the violation.

ball or possession

[polandprzem]

So in the TP case he needs to be on the ofensive half court

[polandprzem]

That would be the equivalent of the refs waving of D-West's 3 at the end of the 1st quarter.

?

[BanditHiro]

The refs have discretion to not call every foul or violation that happens.

Calling 8 seconds should only be a thing if its egregious imo. It already hurts them because of the 24 second running out.

yeah it's one of those rules that should only be called if a team is applying a full court press

[z0sa]

Actually, I think it's the ball that has to be on the other half before the violation.

I always thought the rule said possession, which i construe as a toe over the line. Might depend on the refs interpretation, i guess.

[Chinook]

Pretty sure ALL of the player and ball have to be across the line.

[travis2]

Pretty sure ALL of the player and ball have to be across the line.

Correct.

Rule 4, Section V, subsection c: A ball being held by a player: (1) is in the frontcourt if neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt, (2) is in the backcourt if either the ball or player is touching the backcourt.

Rule 4, Section V, subsection d: A ball being dribbled is (1) in the frontcourt when the ball and both feet of the player are in the frontcourt, (2) in the backcourt if the ball or either foot of the player is in the backcourt.

Rule 4, Section V, subsection e: The ball is considered in the frontcourt once it has broken the plane of the midcourt line and is not in player control.

[z0sa]

Correct.

Rule 4, Section V, subsection c: A ball being held by a player: (1) is in the frontcourt if neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt, (2) is in the backcourt if either the ball or player is touching the backcourt.

Rule 4, Section V, subsection d: A ball being dribbled is (1) in the frontcourt when the ball and both feet of the player are in the frontcourt, (2) in the backcourt if the ball or either foot of the player is in the backcourt.

Rule 4, Section V, subsection e: The ball is considered in the frontcourt once it has broken the plane of the midcourt line and is not in player control.

Thanks for clarifying. Of course, refs rarely call it this strictly.

[GSH]

I remember a game a few seasons ago where the refs actually stopped the clock with 15 seconds left, and they didn't call the 8 seconds. I don't remember if it was a foul, or a timeout, but the freaking clock showed 15. Pop had veins bulging out on his neck, but the refs weren't listening to any of that. They didn't re-set the clock, either. Just let the other team inbound the ball and kept playing.