Isnt anyone afraid if Trump wins?

[CosmicCowboy]

"poisoned"

freaking foul mouthed junior high drama queen.

[rmt]

If you are referring to Trump, I feel that he is the best of the candidates to help create an economy where we can ALL thrive - one with lower corporate tax rate, with less regulations so that more businesses won't be burdened, eliminating Obamacare. I don't particularly care what Trump thinks about women, race, etc. If the economy is thriving and people have jobs, a lot of our problems will be fixed. Even Obama is talking about lowering the corporate tax but it's too late in his presidency to help. And Hillary is talking about easing the burdens for businesses - but unfortunately for the Democrats, that in conflict with Obamacare, climate change (energy industry), etc. Lifted up is getting America back to work through jobs - not creating more dependency.

Rick Scott has signed a bill in which any child in Florida will be able to go to any public school (in 2017-18) he chooses (if there's space and not including the magnet/charter school which operate by lottery) - even across county lines. This is the kind of policy which will give children who are in bad schools the opportunity to go elsewhere and improve our education. It will force the bad schools to shape up when they start losing enrollment. It will create compe ion and better schools. This is the kind of policy that will benefit us - the consumer (of course, the teacher's unions don't like it). Compare that to Obamacare with its myriad of rules and regulations, where in Alaska, all but one company has bailed - as a result, the premiums are sky-high.

[101A]

Trump is a walking, talking IQ test that many have already failed - this thread is a great example of the flavors of Trumpism

Type 1: the fearful (ducks, rmt, spurtech) who've been inundated with talk radio / Fox news to believe that Obama has undermined America and Hillary will finish the job
Type 2: the angry (Dirk, Wild Cobra) who think others (Muslims, Hispanics, blacks, SJWs, gays, Jews, academia) are to blame for whatever is wrong, and Trump will lead underachieving white males to victory and set things right
Type 3: the so-called intellectuals (Cosmic, maybe Teysha) who normally lean right based on conservative principles (smaller government, lower taxes, moral values, individual liberties, states rights), who find themselves defending an unprincipled, amoral, childish, know-nothing con artist who has no interest in conservatism.

Types 1 and 2 won't change. They have cheered Trump even as he insulted the military, slammed GOP economic and foreign policy, flip-flopped, verifiably lied and used vulgar insults. At this point they would vote for Satan if he had an (R) after his name.

There is still hope for Type 3. At some point they will realize (if they haven't already) that the worst-case scenario with Trump is worse than what any candidate in the last 50 years offered. Embracing him would mean accepting that conservatism was a sham all along. Let's see whether they end up putting party before country.

You missed the 4th type - saw it on a Bumper Sticker.

"I'm for Trump because....
IT!"

[Winehole23]

GWB wasn't the end of us. Neither was Obama.

An HRC or Donald Trump presidency won't be the end of the world either.

[spankadelphia]

sigh

If you are "colorblind" And have all of these black friends, why do you support people who hate them because of their race? Seems someone as "tolerant" as you would want to see people lifted up instead of poisoned

They aren't hated around the world for the color of their skin. That's part of the big lie.

They are hated because of what they do.

And there will be no "lifting them up". The great experiment has failed.

How do I know this? I grew up in Memphis and saw the black community up close and personal. White guilt doesn't work on me. I know how the Democrat party machine works. I know how the racial grievance industry works. I know what kind of people they elect to positions of power when given the opportunity. I know what they do to formerly nice neighborhoods when the government moves them in down the street in Soviet style housing blocks, and eventually into the houses whites fled when their streets turn into warzones overnight. I know what they do every August when the college semester starts and students are carrying cash and Ipads and driving new cars their parents bought - they prowl the campus at night and rob them at gunpoint. Sometimes, if you don't have anything in your wallet, they'll just kill you. The media will describe it as a "robbery gone wrong" and it will be buried on page 12 of the Commercial Appeal while the Trayvon Martin case is blasting the airwaves for 18 months.

I've seen the neighborhoods, the schools, the billboards imploring local citizens not to throw their newborn babies in the dumpster - in the neighborhood my mother grew up in, no less. It was a whitetopia in the 70's and suffice to say baby dumpster diving wasn't one of the usual pasttimes of the locals.

Whites in the city made every possible concession. Turned over entire municipalities, neighborhoods, schools, almost an entire functioning first world city and plenty of tax dollars and valuable property to right the wrongs of the past. And to no avail. The city is on the brink of bankruptcy and violence is spilling into the few havens of taxpayers (whites) left, home invasions as far east as Collierville, driving them out of the metro area entirely. Now a gang war is brewing with MS-13 in North and Southeast Memphis.

I cannot be fooled. They are their own worst enemies.

I was raised liberal. Raised to value fairness and equality. Raised to abhor racism and backwards at udes. College educated.

Even the nicest of whites run out of good will eventually.

[TheSanityAnnex]

They aren't hated around the world for the color of their skin. That's part of the big lie.

They are hated because of what they do.

And there will be no "lifting them up". The great experiment has failed.

How do I know this? I grew up in Memphis and saw the black community up close and personal. White guilt doesn't work on me. I know how the Democrat party machine works. I know how the racial grievance industry works. I know what kind of people they elect to positions of power when given the opportunity. I know what they do to formerly nice neighborhoods when the government moves them in down the street in Soviet style housing blocks, and eventually into the houses whites fled when their streets turn into warzones overnight. I know what they do every August when the college semester starts and students are carrying cash and Ipads and driving new cars their parents bought - they prowl the campus at night and rob them at gunpoint. Sometimes, if you don't have anything in your wallet, they'll just kill you. The media will describe it as a "robbery gone wrong" and it will be buried on page 12 of the Commercial Appeal while the Trayvon Martin case is blasting the airwaves for 18 months.

I've seen the neighborhoods, the schools, the billboards imploring local citizens not to throw their newborn babies in the dumpster - in the neighborhood my mother grew up in, no less. It was a whitetopia in the 70's and suffice to say baby dumpster diving wasn't one of the usual pasttimes of the locals.

Whites in the city made every possible concession. Turned over entire municipalities, neighborhoods, schools, almost an entire functioning first world city and plenty of tax dollars and valuable property to right the wrongs of the past. And to no avail. The city is on the brink of bankruptcy and violence is spilling into the few havens of taxpayers (whites) left, home invasions as far east as Collierville, driving them out of the metro area entirely. Now a gang war is brewing with MS-13 in North and Southeast Memphis.

I cannot be fooled. They are their own worst enemies.

I was raised liberal. Raised to value fairness and equality. Raised to abhor racism and backwards at udes. College educated.

Even the nicest of whites run out of good will eventually.

Born and raised in Los Angeles, these s have no idea what it's actually like.

[Pelicans78]

Republicans have lost the Latino vote forever when they embraced Trump.

They've never had the black vote to begin with.

They had the black vote until JFK.

[Winehole23]

Born and raised in Los Angeles, these s have no idea what it's actually like.

Memphis and LA are two cities in a rather large country. You and spankadelphia don't know what it's like for everyone else.

It's doubtful either one of you is telling a straight tale about Memphis and LA, but at least both of you are open about your racism.

[boutons_deux]

They had the black vote until JFK.

The Repugs passed Johnson's progressive legislation, while the slave state Dems voted against.

Then the slave state racist Dems all switched to become slave state racist Repugs, and the Repugs became the party of racists and other bigots.

[DPG21920]

I'm afraid for race relations if Trump wins. I'm afraid that with all of the progress this country has made with regards to race relation that gets swept under the rug seemingly, that it will give an excuse to say "see! told you this is no different than the days of slavery".

That is my concern. I feel now, even though people sometimes act like USA is some slave driver country that has made no progress (which is not only a lie, but really damaging to potential further growth), that Trump will give people the talking points they need to unravel any progress there.

[cd021]

They had the black vote until JFK.

Democrats have won the black vote since 1936. They have overwhelmingly voted Democrat since JFK.

This will be the 20th straight election where Democrat will win the Black vote in the Presidential election.

[cd021]

Republicans should be afraid of a Trump win. They have lost the Hispanic vote in 9 straight pres. elections.

Trump had an disapproval rating of 77% back in March, that was before the controversy with the reporter and the judge situation. There is a decent chance that Dems could win 85 percent of their vote. This could mean that Republicans could have lost the Hispanic vote going forward. They have not won the black vote in the past 19 elections, since before 1936 and that is almost certainly a lost cause.

Obama won 71% of the Hispanic back in '12

[spurraider21]

I'm afraid for race relations if Trump wins. I'm afraid that with all of the progress this country has made with regards to race relation that gets swept under the rug seemingly, that it will give an excuse to say "see! told you this is no different than the days of slavery".

That is my concern. I feel now, even though people sometimes act like USA is some slave driver country that has made no progress (which is not only a lie, but really damaging to potential further growth), that Trump will give people the talking points they need to unravel any progress there.

I feel like relations are significantly worse now than they were 8 years ago tbh

[boutons_deux]

Republicans should be afraid of a Trump win. They have lost the Hispanic vote in 9 straight pres. elections.

Trump had an disapproval rating of 77% back in March, that was before the controversy with the reporter and the judge situation. There is a decent chance that Dems could win 85 percent of their vote. This could mean that Republicans could have lost the Hispanic vote going forward. They have not won the black vote in the past 19 elections, since before 1936 and that is almost certainly a lost cause.

Obama won 71% of the Hispanic back in '12

Trump loses the Hispanic vote, and Repugs nearly always lose women, blacks significant in not huge margins. Repugs are so ed.

[rmt]

When children are born, they are clean slates. It's what they are taught that forms the way they think and when it's perpetually drilled into them that they are being discriminated against (regardless of whether they are or not), it colors their at ude. Slavery is generations away, opportunity and affirmative action is all around but I think that that at ude holds them back - so much energy is put into the racial issue that they don't grab and take hold of the opportunities that are there.

I have previously related my experience as a Girl Scout Troop leader when I repeatedly announced another's troop's arts and craft event and asked everyone to sign up (to get a head count). The night before, two black moms who didn't take the time to sign up accused me - saying that the reason their girls were not allowed to go is because they are black. I was simply stunned that they would use that as an excuse. Turns out that they did end up going when 2 girls in the troop holding the event gave up their spots (crafts) for them. When people start using the excuse that "it's because I'm black", something is very wrong - they've been conditioned to do so - giving up responsibility for taking action on their own.

The key is education but the policies that democrats espouse and support like strong teachers' unions are in conflict with what is best for the children and the rest of us in general. Take Chicago, for example. High taxes, high spending, not living within their means, huge pension and health care obligations to public servants - all this takes away from money that should be spent on the kids' education. Here in Miami, magnet schools are deliberately put in bad neighborhoods in the hope of lifting the neighborhood's education but still the parents don't take advantage of it by even applying (probably through lack of education or simply not caring enough). Usually, in magnet/charter schools, parents are responsible for transportation but the schools are put in those bad neighbors so that even transportation is not a barrier for those kids and still the parents don't grab the opportunity. I hope that other states will follow Florida's example and allow freedom of choice in public schools - I think that will help to improve education and our schools. And yes, it can be done even in bad schools - look at Dr. Ben Carson's rise out of Detroit to the top of his field.

As I said earlier, I come from a place where most are poor and descended from slavery. In Jamaica, there is no blame put on anyone and BECAUSE there is no government interference, everybody simply works hard to improve their situation. There are also no laws like affirmative action that perpetuate the idea that somehow anyone is at a disadvantage because of race. I hope that the US could learn from a small country like Jamaica but this perpetuated divisiveness and so-called "help" keeps them voting democrat. Also, they can learn from the mass migration from Jamaica, that when there is any threat of government takeover, people will flee. There comes a point when they will not stay (either neighborhood, as in previous post, or country).

[boutons_deux]

"they are clean slates"

"Science has shown" you're full of bull . In the nature vs nurture discussion, BOTH play roles. iow, there is no "clean slate".

Even Christians swear a baby is born in a state of sin. LOL

[DPG21920]

I feel like relations are significantly worse now than they were 8 years ago tbh

I 100% disagree. There will always be racist people. You can't stop hate. But for the most part, black culture is not only accepted but embraced in mainstream America. We have a black president (how can that happen in a truly racist country?). We have black CEOs, coaches, actors & musicians that are beloved. There is more equality now than ever before.

We have gay black athletes feeling safe to come out in sports. There has been so much progress despite still having issues.

IMO, the days of just general racism are gone. There are pockets of it, but you will never eliminate any kind of radial thinking. What we still have and it's a big issue are the ins utionalized policies that still punish minorities worse than their white counterparts (see Stanford Rape Trial).

That's a major issue but the gap that White Priveledge used to afford has shrunk consistently and black culture is not only accepted but adopted.

[rmt]

"they are clean slates"

"Science has shown" you're full of bull . In the nature vs nurture discussion, BOTH play roles. iow, there is no "clean slate".

Even Christians swear a baby is born in a state of sin. LOL

Boutons, you know that I'm not talking religion (which I rarely do here) - I'm talking about their at ude that results because of the perpetual drilling that they are being discriminated against because of their race.

[spurraider21]

Lol "these mongoloids"

I'm making an observation, not giving a stance on race. I feel like race related issues are dominating headlines significantly more now than they were 8-10 years ago

[DPG21920]

Lol "these mongoloids"

I'm making an observation, not giving a stance on race. I feel like race related issues are dominating headlines significantly more now than they were 8-10 years ago

I do think it's getting more play but I feel that's a sign of progress. No longer buried these things are being discussed openly. No where to hide any more.

[rmt]

Jesus Christ re . You are the biggest racist on this board and that's really saying something.

Just because you had a black nanny (employee), and your aunt ed a black guy, bet that went over well, you think you have some understanding of the black experience? Get the out of here.

Ins utional racism is alive and well amongst the hillbilly south. You really need to stop breathing.

It's my chinese uncle who married a black woman. Well, I did spend all my formative years among blacks who were not conditioned to think that they were being discriminated against. Maybe you can explain Chicago then (far removed from the hillbilly south). Do you talk like this and insult people in everyday talk?

[spurraider21]

I do think it's getting more play but I feel that's a sign of progress. No longer buried these things are being discussed openly. No where to hide any more.

Valid point but it does come along with pushback as a result

[spankadelphia]

Republicans should be afraid of a Trump win. They have lost the Hispanic vote in 9 straight pres. elections.

Trump had an disapproval rating of 77% back in March, that was before the controversy with the reporter and the judge situation. There is a decent chance that Dems could win 85 percent of their vote. This could mean that Republicans could have lost the Hispanic vote going forward. They have not won the black vote in the past 19 elections, since before 1936 and that is almost certainly a lost cause.

Obama won 71% of the Hispanic back in '12

Hispanics have never influence a Presidential election in any meaningful way. Most of them are in Texas or California which are solidly Red and Blue respectively. Romney could have gotten 80% of the Hispanic vote and still lost.

They vote 75% socialist anyway so what's the point in Republicans catering to them? If hispanics become a majority in the US the Cons ution is going bye bye anyway.

[spankadelphia]

Memphis and LA are two cities in a rather large country. You and spankadelphia don't know what it's like for everyone else.

It's doubtful either one of you is telling a straight tale about Memphis and LA, but at least both of you are open about your racism.

I didn't even get into the half of it.

Human trafficking is a huge problem now because of the South American gangs moving in. The place I used to get my car serviced at in North Memphis was busted for trafficking - there were like 30 women stuffed in a garage with only a fan to keep them cool.

Sure enough, this same neighborhood was a whitetopia 30 years ago. Now, human trafficking.

You say Memphis and LA are just "two cities" when this violence and insanity is taking place at an alarming rate in dozens of cities around the country, mostly the minority-majority ones that whites built and were forced out of due to violence and societal malaise.

There will be a reckoning.

[rmt]

Only stupid and racist garbage like you. You have no idea how those people felt. They were employees and servants. Your lack of intelligence is only topped by your insulting lack of candor and understanding of how terrible the things you write are.

Slaves in the American south didn't think they were being discriminated against either.

The cycle of poverty in Urban areas happen because there is no opportunity. If you really cared, you would not blindly support the continuation of the abandonment of these people you understand so well because they were employees of your family and had to play a ing step and fetch bull routine for you.

Seriously stop breathing

I don't think I have mistaken the love and care that my "nanny" (notice it's in quotes because she's really part of the family having lived with us for so long) provided and continues to show. She has never forgotten to send a card for any of my kids' birthday in all these years. Likewise, we have taken care of her in her retirement.

The ticket out of poverty in these urban areas is education which is stifled by Democrats' support of strong unions (whose self interest is more important than the education of the kids) and their spending ways which restricts funds going to benefit the kids. If kids think that others are against them, that limits what they strive for. Energy that should be put toward education is channelled into other things like gangs, drugs, etc.

Lack of candor? Don't think anyone could accuse me of that.