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    This is what I'm talking about with agreeing on an objective. Anytime someone suggests an area of gun violence can be prevented, it is said that we should focus on a different area. Or no area at all.

    Large scale mass shootings are low hanging fruit. While they may not make up a large percentage of overall gun deaths, the victims in those instances are almost always completely random and completely innocent. And they're not nearly rare enough. Start there. Doing something about it doesn't require a whole lot of sacrifice or compromise compared to preventing deaths caused by more commonly-owned (and more reasonably-owned) guns.
    It's the wrong objective to focus on.

    Banning the AR15 will not stop mass shootings, see Virginia Tech. CA toughest gun laws, bullet buttons, etc will not stop mass shootings, see San Bernardino. Multiple background checks and yearly psych evals will not stop mass shootings, see Orlando.

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    State, name of gun show, model of Beretta, and price you paid.
    irrelevant.

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    It's the wrong objective to focus on.

    Banning the AR15 will not stop mass shootings, see Virginia Tech. CA toughest gun laws, bullet buttons, etc will not stop mass shootings, see San Bernardino. Multiple background checks and yearly psych evals will not stop mass shootings, see Orlando.
    Like I expected, the classic deflection of "If you can't stop them all you shouldn't try." Bull .

    Intoxication limits will not stop drunk driving accidents. But they give potential drunk drivers an additional obstacle.

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    lol fuzzy goes to gun shows?
    Yup and I own several guns too including a WW2 BAR. I'm not worried that they are going to take my guns away either.

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    Yup and I own several guns too including a WW2 BAR. I'm not worried that they are going to take my guns away either.
    Why did you avoid having a NICS run when you purchased?

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    Like I expected, the classic deflection of "If you can't stop them all you shouldn't try." Bull .

    Intoxication limits will not stop drunk driving accidents. But they give potential drunk drivers an additional obstacle.
    There were already checks in place to stop all of the above mentioned, and in the case of Orlando multiple checks yearly for his certs. He passed gun controls wet dream of checks and wasn't stopped.

    Mass shootings won't stop with your proposals, nor will they be any less lethal, see Virginia Tech and a couple of handguns.

    Im just trying to figure out how you place the importance of stopping the rare mass shooting with a rifle over the daily shootings with handguns, which are far more prevalent and destructive to human life.

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    This is what I'm talking about with agreeing on an objective. Anytime someone suggests an area of gun violence can be prevented, it is said that we should focus on a different area. Or no area at all.

    Large scale mass shootings are low hanging fruit. While they may not make up a large percentage of overall gun deaths, the victims in those instances are almost always completely random and completely innocent. And they're not nearly rare enough. Start there. Doing something about it doesn't require a whole lot of sacrifice or compromise compared to preventing deaths caused by more commonly-owned (and more reasonably-owned) guns.
    The AR15 is the most popular rifle in the US, probably the most commonly owned rifle now too. You'd think there'd be an uptick in murders with them no?

    http://knowledgeglue.com/20-years-of...public-safety/


    And here is a look at Chicago this weekend, one more added since I just copied and pasted this link
    http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/map...or-june-24-27/

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    Why did you avoid having a NICS run when you purchased?
    I didn't look at as avoiding anything. We did fill out registration paperwork and submitted it.

    You going to take ownership of being wrong in the context of the argument or continue to try and change the subject?

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    I didn't look at as avoiding anything. We did fill out registration paperwork and submitted it.

    You going to take ownership of being wrong in the context of the argument or continue to try and change the subject?
    What registration paperwork and submitted to whom? Be specific, what form?

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    What registration paperwork and submitted to whom? Be specific, what form?
    Irrelevant.

    Intellectual cowardice was indeed your choice.

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    Irrelevant.

    Intellectual cowardice was indeed your choice.
    Indeed relevant after proclaiming you purchased a Beretta at a gun show with no background check. So, what registration paperwork and submitted to whom? Be specific, what form?

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    Indeed relevant after proclaiming you purchased a Beretta at a gun show with no background check. So, what registration paperwork and submitted to whom? Be specific, what form?
    Remains irrelevant no matter how much you repeat yourself like an idiot. Try some critical thinking. You need the practice.

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    you can purchase guns from private sellers at gun shows. they don't require background checks.

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    There were already checks in place to stop all of the above mentioned, and in the case of Orlando multiple checks yearly for his certs. He passed gun controls wet dream of checks and wasn't stopped.

    Mass shootings won't stop with your proposals, nor will they be any less lethal, see Virginia Tech and a couple of handguns.

    Im just trying to figure out how you place the importance of stopping the rare mass shooting with a rifle over the daily shootings with handguns, which are far more prevalent and destructive to human life.
    There obviously weren't enough checks because he ended up acquiring a weapon that allowed him to easily kill 49 people. The fact that VT happened doesn't prove or guarantee that the same death toll would have happened in Orlando if Omar Mateen had not been able to own his MCX.

    It's not about importance, it's about where we can realistically start to curb gun violence. If you feel handguns should be the priority, I have no problem with that at all.

    So what do you suggest we do about handgun violence?

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    Remains irrelevant no matter how much you repeat yourself like an idiot. Try some critical thinking. You need the practice.
    When discussing the "gun show loophole" and how you "used" it it is completely relevant to what registration paperwork you filled out and to whom you submitted it, as you claimed.

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    you can purchase guns from private sellers at gun shows. they don't require background checks.
    % of private sellers not requiring background checks at gun shows?

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    There obviously weren't enough checks because he ended up acquiring a weapon that allowed him to easily kill 49 people. The fact that VT happened doesn't prove or guarantee that the same death toll would have happened in Orlando if Omar Mateen had not been able to own his MCX.

    It's not about importance, it's about where we can realistically start to curb gun violence. If you feel handguns should be the priority, I have no problem with that at all.

    So what do you suggest we do about handgun violence?
    You start to realistically curb gun violence at its source, banning a semi auto rifle that is responsible for less than 1% of all gun murders is not the source. I'll get back to you on an interesting study regarding how to curb gun violence ( handguns/inner city) when I'm not on my phone. Some interesting methods that have been proven to work, lots of time/effort/willing people though

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    % of private sellers not requiring background checks at gun shows?
    aisle and parking lot sellers. About 1% maybe

    he probably can't even tell you what color the "registration" paper was.

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    When discussing the "gun show loophole" and how you "used" it it is completely relevant to what registration paperwork you filled out and to whom you submitted it, as you claimed.
    That's not what I said and repeating yourself like an idiot isn't going to make it relevant.

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    Are we still talking about guns?

    He and his family should not have been in the country to begin with. They are as American as I am Somalian.

    "B-b-b-but muh proposition nation!"


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    anyone born in the US is a US citizen, end of story.

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    Social engineers are responsible for this mess. But they will never take responsibility. Ever.

    Doesn't mean they will never be held accountable... just don't expect to hear it from them until they're pissing their pants at the foot of the gallows.

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    Are we still talking about guns?

    He and his family should not have been in the country to begin with. They are as American as I am Somalian.

    "B-b-b-but muh proposition nation!"

    "But, but, det magic American soil will make them stop hating us!"

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    Drum up demand and manipulate government all at the same time!

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