Official 2016 Summer League Thread

[Chinook]

Reverse Affirmative action?

He is the best PG on the roster, so I don't think it's that per se. He should do a decent job running the third or fourth team in camp, but he doesn't have any single reason why he should make the final roster yet. Plenty of time to show us a reason, but I'm doubting it.

[toki9]

The Spurs should guarantee as much of the first season of Forbes' contract that it takes to bring him into camp. If he doesn't make it, you eat the money. But he has a skill-set the team desperately needs to develop.

This article makes it sound like he already has some sort of contract with the Spurs: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/s...ague/86638902/

"The Spurs went a bit further, giving Forbes a one-year contract. If he makes their roster in training camp, he’ll earn the rookie minimum salary, around $543,000. If he doesn’t, he’ll still be under contract with the Spurs, paid enough to agree to stay with the organization for one year — even if it’s spent in the D-League — instead of going overseas and perhaps making six-figures there."

[Chinook]

Yeah it was basically giving it to Anderson or Simmons and getting out of the way. Forbes was far more impressive especially with that midrange game. He seems kind of small though, like Patty.

Forbes and Arcidiacono are both listed at 6-3, which is pretty close to Neal. Dunno how accurate that is, but if it is, then they are more Parker's size than Mills'.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Has Kyle added a jumpshot or is he just doing his Slow-Mo-SummerleagueMVP thing without any noticeable change?


I'll try find my answer in the thread also.

[SAGirl]

I didn't like Simms either, to be fair. They were playing basically a d-league team with one NBA sop re in Trey Lyles. You would expect the boxscore to look like that.

You could look it at it like this. Many passes they made, specially Kyle who passed to a big inside, didn't turn into anything bc those bigs could not convert. You have to see their games sort of in context. Many plays I saw would have looked better with better teammates.

Trey Lyles made a few 3s early then faded. Kyle got the better of him most of the time and then didn't help off him, which didn't leave him any other open shots... but you discard that is if nothing. I think Simms is pretty much what he is, no surprise there he's going to be 27. His shot is to be the best he can be at his game and not passing 3s.

Kyle has changed in two seasons from the scrawny kid who was 20 years when we saw in 2014. Its been so gradual that it doesn't stand out. But him taking 3s off a screen, that is nothing you saw last season. He finished some hook shots with guys all over him. I think if he hadn't added strength, he would not have been finishing those. Two years ago, he wasn't putting together games like that in SL, plus all the nice passes he had. I think as spurfan, you have been spoiled. Not all bigs have that passing ability. Guys were getting overpaid millions bc they had a game like Kyle has. Remains very unappreciated here.

All of this helps I believe, tremendously.

[NASpurs]

Forbes and Arcidiacono are both listed at 6-3, which is pretty close to Neal. Dunno how accurate that is, but if it is, then they are more Parker's size than Mills'.

Man yeah, I just checked after replying to you and he is listed at 6'3". He looked much smaller to me for some reason. Arci looked small to me too, don't know what it is.

[Chinook]

This article makes it sound like he already has some sort of contract with the Spurs: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/s...ague/86638902/

"The Spurs went a bit further, giving Forbes a one-year contract. If he makes their roster in training camp, he’ll earn the rookie minimum salary, around $543,000. If he doesn’t, he’ll still be under contract with the Spurs, paid enough to agree to stay with the organization for one year — even if it’s spent in the D-League — instead of going overseas and perhaps making six-figures there."

Wait, that's actually a REALLY big deal. It says that they guaranteed his first year. That's crazy. It also said that he agreed to stay in SA/Austin even if he's cut. That would mean essentially being like Cady last year, but without anything binding. I assume that article is just messing up a few things, but if not, it's fascinating. There's a legit chance Forbes is on the roster in November. I will say, though, that they better have locked him up to two or three years if they are guaranteeing that much. Makes no sense to sign him to a sort deal but pay him as if he had leverage.

[Ron Swanson]

Why did Murray not play?

We traded him for LeBron. Expect LeBron to play in Vegas. He needs the extra work.

[ElNono]

Pop is going to be FORCED to play Pau just like he was forced to play Tim against OKC.

I said last season, not last series. We're not discussing matchups, we're discussing a coach that likes to rest his players, no matter the age, but especially if they're old.

Tim, Tony, Manu, LMA, Kawhi, even Danny Green received the resting treatment all season long. That means our bench/secondary players have to be above average.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

I wanted to see either of those guys looking like they have a season or two in the NBA under their belts. You know, actually standing out from this crud of D-Leaguers. There's no such thing here, unfortunately. They might score 20, but because they're the go to guys, not because they're dominating. I didn't expect either to look like Kawhi in his summer league, but more than just same old same old. Kyle looks different physically and that's it. He's the least of my worried though, since he'll be parked behind Kawhi anyways.

The Spurs will have to look somewhere else if they want to have a compe ive bench this season. Like I said, I hope Murray stands out, maybe Cady has taken a step forward. Otherwise, if Boris is really gone, it's gonna be problematic.

They've roided him up? GOOD!

[Spur|n|Austin]

We traded him for LeBron. Expect LeBron to play in Vegas. He needs the extra work.

Gotcha, thanks!

[SAGirl]

I think they wanted to see Anderson at the four tonight. I don't expect Kyle to play past Utah, and I think there's a good chance that LJC, Murray, Milutinov and maybe even Bertans and Hanga could be on that Vegas roster. I think once the real games start, he'll be there.

Looking forward to that. I saw somewhere a tweet someone posted that Hanga is playing with the Hungarian team somewhere. It's buried/embedded in the general offseason thread impossible to find. I agree that the Boris trade made Pop play Anderson exclusively as a 4. Still Cady can and has played the 5. It was odd. But you might be right, considering the way contracts turned out as we all as trades, they might just want to see Kyle all of his time here as a 4, which would leave other guys out of opportunities. I hope Cady is fine and there are no contract issues too like with Murray.

[Kawhitstorm]

I said last season, not last series. We're not discussing matchups, we're discussing a coach that likes to rest his players, no matter the age, but especially if they're old.

Tim, Tony, Manu, LMA, Kawhi, even Danny Green received the resting treatment all season long. That means our bench/secondary players have to be above average.

Pau isn't playing less than 30 min & will get maybe about 5 "rest" games.

[ElNono]

You could look it at it like this. Many passes they made, specially Kyle who passed to a big inside, didn't turn into anything bc those bigs could not convert. You have to see their games sort of in context. Many plays I saw would have looked better with better teammates.

Trey Lyles made a few 3s early then faded. Kyle got the better of him most of the time and then didn't help off him, which didn't leave him any other open shots... but you discard that is if nothing. I think Simms is pretty much what he is, no surprise there he's going to be 27. His shot is to be the best he can be at his game and not passing 3s.

Kyle has changed in two seasons from the scrawny kid who was 20 years when we saw in 2014. Its been so gradual that it doesn't stand out. But him taking 3s off a screen, that is nothing you saw last season. He finished some hook shots with guys all over him. I think if he hadn't added strength, he would not have been finishing those. Two years ago, he wasn't putting together games like that in SL, plus all the nice passes he had. I think as spurfan, you have been spoiled. Not all bigs have that passing ability. Guys were getting overpaid millions bc they had a game like Kyle has. Remains very unappreciated here.

All of this helps I believe, tremendously.

Hope I'm wrong, tbh. Kyle looked the same slow ass guy, who needs the rock on offense, and likes to gamble on defense. Basically, the last two seasons Kyle Anderson. Simms looked the same out of control guy that mixes highlight reel finishes with turnovers. Basically, last season Simmons.

I'm not comparing each other, because it makes no sense and it's pointless, this isn't a compe ion between them. I'm not hating either, I would've loved to see them much further along the road, because that's what's good for the team.
Lyles might've faded, but was the only guy on the floor with a double-double, IIRC. Those 3 were the best players on the floor, which is what you expect. But none of them were "dominant", which I was hoping to see, at least from Kyle/Simms.

[palangi]

I think they wanted to see Anderson at the four tonight. I don't expect Kyle to play past Utah, and I think there's a good chance that LJC, Murray, Milutinov and maybe even Bertans and Hanga could be on that Vegas roster. I think once the real games start, he'll be there.

I hope so.

[Chinook]

Looking forward to that. I saw somewhere a tweet someone posted that Hanga is playing with the Hungarian team somewhere. It's buried/embedded in the general offseason thread impossible to find. I agree that the Boris trade made Pop play Anderson exclusively as a 4. Still Cady can and has played the 5. It was odd. But you might be right, considering the way contracts turned out as we all as trades, they might just want to see Kyle all of his time here as a 4, which would leave other guys out of opportunities. I hope Cady is fine and there are no contract issues too like with Murray.

Cady has no leverage right now. The Spurs don't have a hold for him, and he can't even force a tender until September. So if he doesn't want to play until he gets guaranteed money, then he won't play. No one really cares.

[ElNono]

Pau isn't playing less than 30 min & will get maybe about 5 "rest" games.

LMA went from 36+ mpg in Portland to barely over 30 mpg (30.6) last season. And he's 30 years old.

The good news for Pop is that 98% of the league is , so he might be able to get away with it. I just don't think it's going to work long-term.

[DPG21920]

LMA went from 36+ mpg in Portland to barely over 30 mpg (30.6) last season. And he's 30 years old.

The good news for Pop is that 98% of the league is , so he might be able to get away with it. I just don't think it's going to work long-term.

Well, Pop works with what he has. If the bench doesn't get a lot more interesting, especially with big men, then Pop may not be able to afford to rest Pau/LMA as much. Who will he play? No Tim, no Boris, no West and maybe no Boban

[ElNono]

Well, Pop works with what he has. If the bench doesn't get a lot more interesting, especially with big men, then Pop may not be able to afford to rest Pau/LMA as much. Who will he play? No Tim, no Boris, no West and maybe no Boban

That's what I was saying. We have Boban(?) and Bonner, basically. That's what started this whole convo, that if some of these guys on the SL don't start to look good soon, PATFO is going to have their work cut out for them to put some semblance of talent off the bench, especially if Boris is really gone.

[DPG21920]

That's what I was saying. We have Boban and Bonner, basically. That's what started this whole convo, that if some of these guys on the SL don't start to look good soon, PATFO is going to have their work cut out for them to put some semblance of talent off the bench, especially if Boris is really gone.

True - but the off season is not over yet. Let's see what SA gets for Boris if anything. Let's see if they waive/stretch Tim (or maybe he plays although doubtful). Let's see how much money they truly open up here and who they can sign.

[Keepin' it real]

Typical fans, spooging over Forbes and Simmons and ting on Anderson and then you look at the box score...

Points, rebounds and assists are meaningless, didn't you know???

[Kawhitstorm]

LMA went from 36+ mpg in Portland to barely over 30 mpg (30.6) last season. And he's 30 years old.

Yeah, they need Softridge to play 36 minutes when Boban was crushing the opposing team's backups.
Tim at 38 averaged 29 minutes & played 77 games when ter had a bruised vagina.

[SAGirl]

Hope I'm wrong, tbh. Kyle looked the same slow ass guy, who needs the rock on offense, and likes to gamble on defense. Basically, the last two seasons Kyle Anderson. Simms looked the same out of control guy that mixes highlight reel finishes with turnovers. Basically, last season Simmons.

I'm not comparing each other, because it makes no sense and it's pointless, this isn't a compe ion between them. I'm not hating either, I would've loved to see them much further along the road, because that's what's good for the team.
Lyles might've faded, but was the only guy on the floor with a double-double, IIRC. Those 3 were the best players on the floor, which is what you expect. But none of them were "dominant", which I was hoping to see, at least from Kyle/Simms.

Fair enough and I do believe you are not hating. Kyle will always be too slow for your eye test. The issue is can he play? And the question is in the NBA, not here. He dominated here when he was younger and skinnier already. I didn't think being in Summer League would answer that question or that it would help him much TBH. The only purpose I saw in this was to get him repe ion and experience as a 4. He has more work to do, but he was guarding (attached basically) to Lyles in the perimeter once he got hot. He wasn't in the paint to grab boards as much.

Simms I think has improved a lot over the course of 2 years too. I had seen him in the dleague a lot and the only thing that stood out was the athleticism. He didn't handle the ball as much, he played mostly off the ball and his on the ball play turned into TO quickly. Still does, but he's improved. He has improved his PnR reads too. The question with him is how much more he can continue to improve. Playing off the ball in the big team he won't be doing as much as here. Maybe Summer League doesn't answer many questions concerning him either bc the role he has here is not the one he figures to have with the big team.

Let's wait to see Murray too. I have low expectations for him, so I won't be disappointed. He's still very young. There are a lot of other young players joining us in Vegas to be excited about.

[montgod]

Ah man, lol, what the was that?

Come on... she had a stroke obviously. Not a laughing matter

[ElNono]

Yeah, they need Softridge to play 36 minutes when Boban was crushing the opposing team's backups.
Tim at 38 averaged 29 minutes & played 77 games when ter had a bruised vagina.

That's exactly what I'm saying. It doesn't matter how much Pau "wants to play". Pop is going to rest him, and hopefully we'll have guys like Boban back that can give us something off the bench, especially if Boris is gone.

Main reason I was hoping to see some promising talent in these games, we don't have a lot of dough, as far as I understand, and some of these guys might end up being the filler that actually becomes our bench.