Timmy leaning strongly towards retirement - Per Woj

[Thomas82]

I still laugh at all the people who think Tim is not a top 10 all time player and is just a product of Pop's system.

He is the system.

[Kawhitstorm]

Its not that dam hard to think about... Either his old ass wanna play or he dont! he could tell them he dont wanna play away gms in the regular season!

It's probably PATFO trying to talk him into playing so they don't have to sign a backup center.

[TeKu]

Is a retirement decision 'final'? I'm guessing someone can always choose to play again if they want (Like Ray Allen is looking at now, but he didn't officially retire) but is that decision made more difficult/complicated by 1. officially retiring, or 2. Spurs using the stretch provision on his contract? If either of those things happen can he even come back to the Spurs in Feb/Mar if he wanted another run, or would that only be possible with another team?

Spent 20 mins reading Coons FAQ (like I should have done in the first place). Far from clear (don't think a stretched player has ever returned to the same team again) but I couldn't find anything that meant Timmy couldn't choose to return later in the season if he wanted too. The only thing that would stop that is if the Spurs traded his contract to another team and they waived him, he then couldn't rejoin the Spurs for 12 months.

[tbdog]

[BillMc]

Sorry if this was already posted. 3 AM here and too sleepy to scroll through:

From SA Express:

• "At some point in the near future, the Spurs might waive Tim Duncan. If that jaw-dropping transaction occurs, it won’t be anything personal. It will not be a slap to the face of the once-a-generation player most responsible for the franchise’s five championships. On the contrary, it would be a gift. ... If Duncan does decide to walk away, waiving him would be one way for the Spurs to ensure he collects every penny of the $6.4 million due on his contract for next season."
  
  Whole article here:
  http://www.expressnews.com/sports/sp...photo-10210082

Nothing we haven't talked about here. But that's the first time I've heard the words "waive Tim Duncan" in the media.

[024]

I know Duncan had to decide before the Durbeta decision but he should have opted out. Then he and Manu could split the $15 million cap space (maybe 10 for Duncan, 5 for Manu) used to sign Gasol and do a farewell tour. Even Dirk is getting that farewell contract.

Spurs aren't winning this year. They have so many holes and Parker probably can't even get any minutes against the Warriors (he can't guard: Curry, Thompson, Durant, Green, Iguodola, Livingston, Zaza, West). Might as well give the money to Manu and Duncan and do a proper farewell tour.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Tim is retiring, he doesn't want to do the Kobe farewell tour. It's been a of a ride

[Proxy]

there was a nice play in there by TP where he got blocked by Shaq and then fouled Fisher on a 3pt attempt for a 4 point play.

[Keepin' it real]

I know Duncan had to decide before the Durbeta decision but he should have opted out. Then he and Manu could split the $15 million cap space (maybe 10 for Duncan, 5 for Manu) used to sign Gasol and do a farewell tour. Even Dirk is getting that farewell contract.

Spurs aren't winning this year. They have so many holes and Parker probably can't even get any minutes against the Warriors (he can't guard: Curry, Thompson, Durant, Green, Iguodola, Livingston, Zaza, West). Might as well give the money to Manu and Duncan and do a proper farewell tour.

Oh. Ok. Thanks.

[spurs10]

I have never felt Tim was retiring. I've never heard him say it at least. I have hoped he could back Pau up and not play too many minutes. Now if he is in pain and has a hard time moving then of course I get it. Here's to Tim not being in pain and not retiring!

[SAGirl]

It better happen sooner. If he hadn't opted in, this wouldn't be an issue. But he did. So now he has to deal with it. This just seems to be very odd timing. The biggest thing is that the team really can't afford to carry Duncan's contract for much longer. They really aren't set up for him to return, financially. They made so many commitments already, that a number of folks will have to take less for him to come back now. That wouldn't be the case had he opted out.

Generally I agree with you, but retirement could be a decision to make. There is a real possibility that Timmy is agonizing over this and the FO respects him enough not to push him. He's earned it, even if it is causing problems.

It's probably PATFO trying to talk him into playing so they don't have to sign a backup center.

Tim is retiring, he doesn't want to do the Kobe farewell tour. It's been a of a ride

So much here. All of this ^^^ He took the option to retire. He doesn't want the farewell tour. Pop has probably discussed rest and maintenance schedules, roles, with him that have maybe made him reconsider a little bit, after he was already made up in his mind to retired, so he wavered late and if there is a chance he changes his mind, the Spurs would take him with open arms. The wait is because they are hoping he reconsiders IMO. And nobody knows that, not even Tim apparently.

[BillMc]

Don't forget Groucho quotes

I missed that. That's a true Renaissance Man right there.

Thanks but do Renaissance men lock BOTH their keys and spare keys in their car? Renaissance idiot more like.

[tmtcsc]

So much here. All of this ^^^ He took the option to retire. He doesn't want the farewell tour. Pop has probably discussed rest and maintenance schedules, roles, with him that have maybe made him reconsider a little bit, after he was already made up in his mind to retired, so he wavered late and if there is a chance he changes his mind, the Spurs would take him with open arms. The wait is because they are hoping he reconsiders IMO. And nobody knows that, not even Tim apparently.

Tim was great last year - all the way until his right knee started to bother him. If you can't move, you can't move. If the knee feels better, than I selfishly hope he decides to stay. Put in 20 and then retire. If he can't play,nobody wants to see a legend struggling on the court to play with scrubs. I wonder if he has been working out at all.

[tbdog]

So much here. All of this ^^^ He took the option to retire. He doesn't want the farewell tour. Pop has probably discussed rest and maintenance schedules, roles, with him that have maybe made him reconsider a little bit, after he was already made up in his mind to retired, so he wavered late and if there is a chance he changes his mind, the Spurs would take him with open arms. The wait is because they are hoping he reconsiders IMO. And nobody knows that, not even Tim apparently.

I thought if Spurs waive him, they cant then resign him. And even if they could, a team could pick him up off waivers just to meet the salary floor.

[MannyIsGod]

Can't the Spurs trade that contract for an asset, then have the other team just waive him? Even if you take on a "bad" contract is it really that bad considering it was before the new cap?

[Sean Cagney]

Making a couple of more millions?

sigh.. just one percenter things.

Yes he is making money, meant his play was gone a long time ago and he has not been very productive. He can play as long as he wants though, just as long as it is not on my fave team where he is taking up space and money (We have Bonner for that).

Tim was great last year - all the way until his right knee started to bother him. If you can't move, you can't move. If the knee feels better, than I selfishly hope he decides to stay. Put in 20 and then retire. If he can't play,nobody wants to see a legend struggling on the court to play with scrubs. I wonder if he has been working out at all.

This.

[024]

Oh. Ok. Thanks.

No prob.

[Sean Cagney]

I've never seen, read or heard this before.

Agreed, Tim is the damn system...

[BillMc]

So these latest signings (Manu at a high salary, Dedmond) only work if Tim is being stretched? And if so, obviously that means he's retiring. It's 100% now, I think.

Some cap person give me a ray of hope.

[Chinook]

So these latest signings (Manu at a high salary, Dedmond) only work if Tim is being stretched? And if so, obviously that means he's retiring. It's 100% now, I think.

Some cap person give me a ray of hope.

Yeah. I think they're assuming he's done. But technically, it won't be finalized until Manu takes his deal.

[BillMc]

Yeah. I think they're assuming he's done. But technically, it won't be finalized until Manu takes his deal.

Thanks. That's what I thought.

[Joseph Kony]

If Manu is supposedly getting a raise then yes, it seems Duncan will likely be stretched meaning he's gone

[DPG21920]

Can't the Spurs trade that contract for an asset, then have the other team just waive him? Even if you take on a "bad" contract is it really that bad considering it was before the new cap?

To answer your question: Yes, technically SA can trade him. However, with the route SA has seemingly elected to go, they can't. SA went the cap space route and with all the signings announced (and the fact Manu's cap hold is indeed staying) the only way they have the money to sign Pau after trading Boris is if Tim has retired and his salary is stretched.

If they traded Tim it would have to be for a player making what Tim's stretched salary is basically.

[Hoops Czar]

Yeah. I think they're assuming he's done. But technically, it won't be finalized until Manu takes his deal.

I thought they could go over the salary cap to pay Manu? Why would that affect Tim re-signing?

[BillMc]

If Manu is supposedly getting a raise then yes, it seems Duncan will likely be stretched meaning he's gone

Saddest day in a long time for Spurs fans.