whose more influential: the guy who inspired durant, paul george, lillard or the guy who drew record low ratings for the finals??
Bruh, I'm no troll expert. But man your material is pretty stale any time I read it.
Blake has been banking it in from the right baseline for years, tbh. Believe it or not, there are other shots in basketball besides playground circus threes that only go in against injured teams and regular-season defenses.
I'm as big of a Timmy fan as anyone, but this is stupid. Honestly, he isn't even the most influential player at his position. Dirk had a far bigger influence on the game than Timmy ever did. Most accomplished? Sure. Most respected? Absolutely. But certainly not most influential.
I'm pretty sure Tammy liked that bank shot for some gay ass reason....he loved shots off the ass...I meant glass
But a lot of guys are left out because of positions. Hakeem, Moses, didn't make it purely because shaq and Kareem were also centres. Then there are the old timers like Russell, wilt, big o who deserves at least a mention.
Just found out Russell Westbrook had a higher GPA than Tammy while in college. 3.9 > 3.8
Go Russ
What was Kobe's GPA in college?Just found out Russell Westbrook had a higher GPA than Tammy while in college. 3.9 > 3.8
Go Russ
Can't find it tbh
Thank Christ. Never give it away. Not one ing day.
That's a good point.
I do buy duncan as the star of teh Spurs has helped lead a shift to a focus on team culture.
But when you talk about on the court, dirk as the best stretch 4 and small ball center is probably the pioneer for Draymond and even when the Cavs have used Lebron at PF or OKC using durant there too. heck Durant and Kobe (even Lebron) have implemented the one legged fade.
That is part of why I chose Dirk over KG as my all time 2nd best PF ...the modern NBA is a product of Nellie -ball ...and he nurtured Dirk ...which led to suns SSOL ...which led to Spurs pace and space ...which led to State's Lineup of death.
But that is what makes my list unique.
1. I dont rate guys I never saw ...
2. there is only one spot at each position. Sure this means it leaves out someone but we are talking the best of the best.
3. even using my way honestly who is gonna be moved off that top? Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Lebron and Duncan all have solid cases as top 5 players.
Maybe I could put shaq over duncan or Bird over LeBron or cheat and move Lebron to PF so I can keep Bird and lose duncan ...but I chose the 5 best at each position.
I would take KG over Duncan any day...KG was a better player though not on the best teams....besides he ing slapped that got upside his head like he was a little hoe...only pussies and its allow themselves to be treated in such a way....and then he turns around and loses his white to a ing illegal Mexican
happens.
David west punked dirk, tapped his face ..
Dirk got punked but in the end he has a ring and west is still chasing one.
I do like my bigs to be more aggressive like Zo, KG shaq ...but tough to argue KG over duncan tbh ...
Why because of rings? You're also the same guy that foolishly argues Tammy over Kobe
No I aint arguing all-around skill or anything like that.Why because of rings? You're also the same guy that foolishly argues Tammy over Kobe
At the peak of both I would take Kobe.
But let's be honest Kool ...
We have the 2004 finals ...
We have the 2008 Finals ...
Have the game 7 vs. Phoenix ...
Not that Tim doesnt have blemishes like the Olympics or "8" on his resume ...
But I thought it was close with Kobe ahead until the achilles happened.
Then we have advanced metrics and of course "5"or the 2nd 5th ...
You know me and you know my history how many times did I argue this with Amb, Cry, Deeps and all the randoms?
I said I would revisit it someday and maybe right now because the 2nd 5th happened post Achilles maybe recent bias is messing with me.
but for now I have duncan with a slight edge on Kobe.
We will see if that changes down the road.
My list is pretty consistent through the years
Jordan
Kareem
Magic/Bird/Duncan (I moved Duncan up from previous years, more I look up his numbers, the more impressive they were)
Lebron (moved up with the 2016 run, can make a case for Magic/Bird/Duncan, and probably should be there)
Shaq/Hakeem/Moses
Kobe/Isiah/Dr J
Dirk/Garnett (Dirk can be in the Isiah/Kobe/Dr J class as well)
Robinson/Stockton/Barkley/McHale/Pierce (Pierce is really underrated, and by me previously)
Pedo/Pippen/Drexler/MVPau
The old timers, if you want to count them:
Wilt/Russell will be in the Lebron slot
West/Big O will be int he Kobe/Isiah/Dr J slot
Surprised you forgot the ending of that slap. Duncan turned around, stared down KG, and KG backed off like a pup. Sure you find that video on youtube, but it was likely done by guys like CaprisunMan to cut off the ending.
As for KG being on worse teams, he was the reason for that. He can't carry an offense of a le team. KG isn't even Robinson level and he only got what he got because he played in the era of mobile bigs (later on in his career). He was ranked higher than Robinson on my list only because of cir stances. Put them in the same era and either Robinson move way up the list, or Garnett moves down.
That explains why there were so many great SG in the all-time list. There's Jordan ... wait, who's next? Is it Kobe or West? One is a career 2nd fiddle and the other one a career loser. :rofl, the SG position has always sucked in basketball. Kobe had to go up again greats likeWhy because of rings? You're also the same guy that foolishly argues Tammy over KobeCarter, Iverson, Pierce, TMac
Top 20 player Kobe played directly against in his career: Jordan
Top 20 player Duncan played directly against in his career: Shaq, KG, Dirk, Pedo, way past his prime Hakeem, way past his prime Barkley
What was Kobe's peak? Was it 2008? 2005? 2002? Bring it on, let's compare that to Duncan's prime.
Nope.
I dont want to argue.
I already have Duncan with the clear but slighter than most edge.
Argue with Kool if you want.
I dont want to discuss your favorite player with you it's a disrespect to tim right now.
Duncan's not my favourite, I actually like Robinson, Elliott and Manu more than Duncan. he was the greatest who played for my favourite sports team though.
I was talking about Kobe (sarcastically) ..dont be obtuse.
I actually thought you meant Duncan.I was talking about Kobe (sarcastically) ..dont be obtuse.
Kobe is the one I talk about most because there is just so much misinformation out there.
I can see me doing the same against Lebron (when he would be somehow GOAT over Jordan and Kareem), or Curry (when people put him in the top 10).
Oh really?
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yinoma2001 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote: Two great players, we were lucky to have watched them play.
I think you and I were probably two of the more "open" Duncan "fans" here. I have nothing but respect for the guy. One of my fave players all time, and I always dreamed we'd find a way to get him here.
No offense to Shaq lovers but back in 99 ...
I argued for a trade of Shaq for Tim straight up.
I knew he had better posy game and would age better.
He would have been nuts in the triangle too when he had that bank shot.
I think you can make a case for both guys ...i think Kobe at his peak was greater but Duncan was more consistent.
Its close but maybe Duncan desetves the edge .. it doesnt take anything away from either guy. Same if you prefer Kobe.
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