OT: How much calories can you burn playing baseball?

[midnightpulp]

Well, they are still on their feet moving around with the concentration and tension of an ongoing game. They don't have "time-outs" to go sit on the bench and drink some water.

They would need water and breaks if they actually had muscle mass on big 6'3"-6'7" frames like NBA players or NFL players.

[midnightpulp]

Since there is zero need for endurance in American cricket, players train to sprint.

Footballers have to do both.

Your argument is basically 10k runners can't compete with Usain Bolt

Zach Greinke training to sprint

He's a pitcher. And rarely gets on base enough to even warrant training to run fast. And yet, he's faster than Messi

Indeed that's my argument. And Usain Bolt is a more impressive athlete than this guy:



Like I always tell DAF. This easiest way to figure out the best overall athlete is to theorize who would win in a decathlon. And the top 50 baseball players would demolish the top 50 soccer players. Go ahead and throw Prince in, too. Just means another weapon in the discus and shotput throw. The only events the soccer players would win would be the 1500 and pole vault (because of their lighter frames). And running a 1500 isn't some great feat either. The baseball players would lose by less points there than the soccer players would lose by in the throwing events.

[midnightpulp]

This is how I imagine DAF in the cage:



But I saw a fat guy on TV do it and I have great "stamina" so it must be easy

[Splits]

Zach Greinke training to sprint

He's a pitcher. And rarely gets on base enough to even warrant training to run fast. And yet, he's faster than Messi

So he doesn't need to cover first base, back up third/home?

Like I always tell DAF. This easiest way to figure out the best overall athlete is to theorize who would win in a decathlon. And the top 50 baseball players would demolish the top 50 soccer players. Go ahead and throw Prince in, too. Just means another weapon in the discus and shotput throw. The only events the soccer players would win would be the 1500 and pole vault (because of their lighter frames). And running a 1500 isn't some great feat either. The baseball players would lose by less points there than the soccer players would lose by in the throwing events.

This is either a dumb or intentionally deceitful argument. Replace "dec" with "tri" and I win.

[DAF86]

Zach Greinke training to sprint

He's a pitcher. And rarely gets on base enough to even warrant training to run fast. And yet, he's faster than Messi

Indeed that's my argument. And Usain Bolt is a more impressive athlete than this guy:



Like I always tell DAF. This easiest way to figure out the best overall athlete is to theorize who would win in a decathlon. And the top 50 baseball players would demolish the top 50 soccer players. Go ahead and throw Prince in, too. Just means another weapon in the discus and shotput throw. The only events the soccer players would win would be the 1500 and pole vault (because of their lighter frames). And running a 1500 isn't some great feat either. The baseball players would lose by less points there than the soccer players would lose by in the throwing events.

I seriously doubt that. But why have that arbitrary selection? Baseball and soccer rosters are compossed of more or less the same amount of players. Go pick the most athletic team in the MLB and compare it to the least athletic team in professional soccer and the soccer roster still wins this imaginary decathlon by a wide ass margin.

[midnightpulp]

So he doesn't need to cover first base, back up third/home?



This is either a dumb or intentionally deceitful argument. Replace "dec" with "tri" and I win.

No it isn't, bro.

How do you figure the triathlon as a overall tester of athleticism when it's totally based around endurance disciplines? There's no: Jumping, throwing, sprint, or strength events. You don't like it, take it up with the Greeks and King Gustav.

Traditionally, the le of "World's Greatest Athlete" has been given to the man who wins the Olympic decathlon.

And like I said, I have a former 300lb cousin who lost weight and now does them for fun. So hard.

And no, you don't need to run wind sprints and train up sprint explosiveness to cover first and home. Even fatboy Bartolo Colon has enough speed to cover first.

[Koolaid_Man]

No it isn't, bro.

How do you figure the triathlon as a overall tester of athleticism when it's totally based around endurance disciplines? There's no: Jumping, throwing, sprint, or strength events. You don't like it, take it up with the Greeks and King Gustav.



And like I said, I have a former 300lb cousin who lost weight and now does them for fun. So hard.

And no, you don't need to run wind sprints and train up sprint explosiveness to cover first and home. Even fatboy Bartolo Colon has enough speed to cover first.

He was waived and stretched

[Splits]

No it isn't, bro.

How do you figure the triathlon as a overall tester of athleticism when it's totally based around endurance disciplines? There's no: Jumping, throwing, sprint, or strength events. You don't like it, take it up with the Greeks and King Gustav.

Yes, it is.

If these guys are the greatest athletes, why don't they just do decathalons in the Olympics and then go dominate actual sports that actually pay them money? The answer is they can't. By your logic the top 50 fatbol players could go to Rio this year and win gold.

[SpursforSix]

[Will Hunting]

I've got a serious question for both baseball and soccer fans:

Soccer fans - Do you seriously refuse to accept the possibility that some Americans might simply find a sport that frequently ends in a 0-0 tie as boring for reasons other than ignorance/xenophobia/inability to understand soccer's "complexity"?

Baseball fans - Do you seriously not understand why some people might view baseball as a joke given the high number of successful MLB careers people have had while being dangerously overweight?

[midnightpulp]

I seriously doubt that. But why have that arbitrary selection? Baseball and soccer rosters are compossed of more or less the same amount of players. Go pick the most athletic team in the MLB and compare it to the least athletic team in professional soccer and the soccer roster still wins this imaginary decathlon by a wide ass margin.

You do know there's 3 throwing events in the decathlon?

The baseball squad would win by 10x the points (I've seen how pathetic soccer players are when they throw out the first pitch at a baseball game).

This is where you think the soccer players would make up ground in the sprint and jump events. Your misconception is that you think every team's bottom of the roster is filled with Bartolo Colon types, and you and the soccer crew still haven't gotten it throw your thick skulls that Bartolo, Sandoval, etc are not typical players. As I stated before, the average BMI of a baseball team is only 1 point less than that of a soccer team in the EPL.

Most position players in baseball can hit 18mph+ top speed (beating out throws is a pretty important part of the game), with the fastest topping out faster than any floptrot player in history. Leaping ability is also important for robbing hits. This leaves the soccer squad having to make up a load of ground in the 1500, and sorry, but running a good mile time isn't all that hard to do.

This guy:



Against this guy in a decathlon:



"Wide ass margin."

[Splits]

I've got a serious question for both baseball and soccer fans:

Soccer fans - Do you seriously refuse to accept the possibility that some Americans might simply find a sport that frequently ends in a 0-0 tie as boring for reasons other than ignorance/xenophobia/inability to understand soccer's "complexity"?

No.

I grew up playing beisbol, followed the MLB since as long as I can remember (used to rush home from middle school to catch Haray Caray calling Cubs games), coached a little league team in college, and never paid a lick of attention to football. Then I moved to Europe, became enlightened, and well... the rest is history.

[SpursforSix]

[DAF86]

I've got a serious question for both baseball and soccer fans:

Soccer fans - Do you seriously refuse to accept the possibility that some Americans might simply find a sport that frequently ends in a 0-0 tie as boring for reasons other than ignorance/xenophobia/inability to understand soccer's "complexity"?

No, I don't. You can't argue likes and dislikes, tbh. But that's not really what we usually argue on this threads, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

I've got a serious question for both baseball and soccer fans:

Soccer fans - Do you seriously refuse to accept the possibility that some Americans might simply find a sport that frequently ends in a 0-0 tie as boring for reasons other than ignorance/xenophobia/inability to understand soccer's "complexity"?

Baseball fans - Do you seriously not understand why some people might view baseball as a joke given the high number of successful MLB careers people have had while being dangerously overweight?

Quite honestly, I don't understand this.

Warren Sapp, Dana Stubblefield, Vince Wilfork, Reggie White, Larry Allen, Cortez Kennedy, and countless others. Clinically obese NFL (defensive)MVPs and Hall of Famers.

George Foreman: Won the world le at 45 and near obesity.

Rulan Gardner. Olympic Gold Medal winning wrestler. Obese.

A lot Rugby props are also obese.

A better question for floptrot fans is why they equate physique with athleticism and skill? I'm not sure fans of any other sport have a fetish like this for "shredded" men.

[Will Hunting]

No, I don't. You can't argue likes and dislikes, tbh. But that's not really what we usually argue on this threads, tbh.

You don't refuse to accept the possibility or you don't accept the possibility? I'm not sure what you're saying.

[Will Hunting]

No.

I grew up playing beisbol, followed the MLB since as long as I can remember (used to rush home from middle school to catch Haray Caray calling Cubs games), coached a little league team in college, and never paid a lick of attention to football. Then I moved to Europe, became enlightened, and well... the rest is history.

My question about soccer had nothing to do with baseball, so I don't understand your response. I know plenty of people who find both soccer and baseball boring and don't watch either.

[midnightpulp]

No.

I grew up playing beisbol, followed the MLB since as long as I can remember (used to rush home from middle school to catch Haray Caray calling Cubs games), coached a little league team in college, and never paid a lick of attention to football. Then I moved to Europe, became enlightened, and well... the rest is history.

Or maybe you're just a contrarian?

Tell me what is "enlightening" about a sport stuck in the Victorian age with its game design that ends in a tie 30% of the time?

[Clipper Nation]

Seriously, same with the NBA crowning "World champions". How much of a self centered bag do you have to be to have the nerve of even thinking of calling domestic champions "world" champions?

Stealing the name of the continent wasn't enough apparently.

When the rest of the world starts up leagues with teams that are capable of beating the NBA or MLB champions in a 7-game series, then they can call themselves the world champions.

Notice how floptrot fans never about the name of the World Cup, despite the fact that many of the world's biggest and most important countries don't give a about the "sport."

[Clipper Nation]

No.

I grew up playing beisbol, followed the MLB since as long as I can remember (used to rush home from middle school to catch Haray Caray calling Cubs games), coached a little league team in college, and never paid a lick of attention to football. Then I moved to Europe, became enlightened, and well... the rest is history.

[Will Hunting]

Quite honestly, I don't understand this.

Warren Sapp, Dana Stubblefield, Vince Wilfork, Reggie White, Larry Allen, Cortez Kennedy, and countless others. Clinically obese NFL (defensive)MVPs and Hall of Famers.

George Foreman: Won the world le at 45 and near obesity.

Rulan Gardner. Olympic Gold Medal winning wrestler. Obese.

A lot Rugby props are also obese.

A better question for floptrot fans is why they equate physique with athleticism and skill? I'm not sure fans of any other sport have a fetish like this for "shredded" men.

The NFL comparison makes no sense. It's advantageous for players at certain positions to be heavier/stronger for obvious reasons. There isn't any advantage to being an overweight pitcher or batter.

[Splits]

Or maybe you're just a contrarian?

Tell me what is "enlightening" about a sport stuck in the Victorian age with its game design that ends in a tie 30% of the time?

Popular opinion is not on your side.

Tell me what is entertaining about a 3 hour game that you could watch in 15 minutes if you took out all of the standing around, pitching changes, talks on the mound, commercials, and balls? You literally get a return on your time investment of no more than 10% watching a fatbol game.

[SpursforSix]

Even little babies can kick a ball. Yep. Put a catcher's mitt on a baby and see if he can handle a 100 mph pitch.

[Will Hunting]

Popular opinion is not on your side.

Tell me what is entertaining about a 3 hour game that you could watch in 15 minutes if you took out all of the standing around, pitching changes, talks on the mound, commercials, and balls? You literally get a return on your time investment of no more than 10% watching a fatbol game.

What's the return on time you get for soccer games that end in a tie or in PKs

[Will Hunting]

Tbh some soccer fans remind of the MMA fans on this site who can't see why two men in spandex rolling around with each other on the floor of a cage is considered by some to be kinda gay.