Spurs: It's official Tim retires

[ambchang]

1. Points are a stat. the one I posted shows Kobe was more dominant scoring wise which is generally the most important stat

It is ONE of the stats. You never see me say Duncan > Kobe because he had more rebounds, did you?

2. Yep I do like Kobe better mostly for subjective reasons.

That's pretty much the only reasons you can have.

3. Thinig that is funny 140 tbh as a player I was more duncan ...had a great bankshot, unselfish, great defender, rim protector than Kobe. Maybe that is why I appreciate him because he did the I could not ...

All NBA players can do things we cannot, that is why we are not in the league.

4. Love BB but the Wire is better period. I chose those two shows because not only did BB have more rating but it got more awards a spinoff etc. Not saying Kobe = wire and duncan = BB just saying that numbers, awards etc can lie.

Didn't realize TV shows have stats.

[Killakobe81]

In the NFL left tackles are paid well despite accruing no meaningful stats. Do you know why?

No one is going to argue that Kobe wasn't a gifted scorer or a better scorer than Duncan. But you are arguing that your less comprehensive view view of what makes a dominant player is better than spurs fans more comprehensive view. It's not 100% wrong but it's not right. The key us how much weight do you give to efficiency, defense distribution, etc.

I do weigh those too ... hence why I think duncan had the better career.

[ambchang]

Went to work &&& went down into the paint at Fisher's mandate. Passed the ball to Artest on that 3. Everybody figured he'd launch it out of frustration & selfishness. Uh, uh. There ain't been a better double cross since Amy walked Tim to the rocks in the '13 Finals.

Shriveled under pressure and need Artest to bail him out, that's Kobe.

[Killakobe81]

It is ONE of the stats. You never see me say Duncan > Kobe because he had more rebounds, did you?




That's pretty much the only reasons you can have.



All NBA players can do things we cannot, that is why we are not in the league.



Didn't realize TV shows have stats.

1. you could have used rebounds, blocks whatever you want and if they mattered more to YOU than that is fine.

[Killakobe81]

Shriveled under pressure and need Artest to bail him out, that's Kobe.

Still talkin' Kobe, that is Amb ...

[ambchang]

1. you could have used rebounds, blocks whatever you want and if they mattered more to YOU than that is fine.

Buddy, I am not trying to pull a it's all about me view of the world. You are really confusing personal preference against widely accepted rankings. You can put weightings on pointless and mundane things all you want, but that is not going to make your point convincing.

When you go to your boss on a business case, do you put in assumptions that only work for you? Of course not! Boss, I want to hire 16 more people for my group because I feel that we would need them all to process all those emails we have. May seem like a mundane function to everyone else, but to me, that's what I feel. Try bringing that to your boss and see what happens.

I am sure you will pull the "I am not here to convince you" card, but too bad, you are on a discussion forum to discuss things, and without anything to back you up, you have nothing to discuss.

[ambchang]

Still talkin' Kobe, that is Amb ...

Did I bring him up?

[Killakobe81]

Buddy, I am not trying to pull a it's all about me view of the world. You are really confusing personal preference against widely accepted rankings. You can put weightings on pointless and mundane things all you want, but that is not going to make your point convincing.

When you go to your boss on a business case, do you put in assumptions that only work for you? Of course not! Boss, I want to hire 16 more people for my group because I feel that we would need them all to process all those emails we have. May seem like a mundane function to everyone else, but to me, that's what I feel. Try bringing that to your boss and see what happens.

I am sure you will pull the "I am not here to convince you" card, but too bad, you are on a discussion forum to discuss things, and without anything to back you up, you have nothing to discuss.

A forum post with an opinion doesnt require proof. I didnt posit a ranking per se. Either ... I said at their peak best I prefer, would choose Kobe. not a ranking just a personal choice.

[ambchang]

A forum post with an opinion doesnt require proof. I didnt posit a ranking per se. Either ... I said at their peak best I prefer, would choose Kobe. not a ranking just a personal choice.

That's a ranking, you ranked Kobe's peak above Duncan's peak.

[Killakobe81]

That's a ranking, you ranked Kobe's peak above Duncan's peak.

the action or process of giving a specified rank or place within a grading system.

[Killakobe81]

Buddy, I am not trying to pull a it's all about me view of the world. You are really confusing personal preference against widely accepted rankings. You can put weightings on pointless and mundane things all you want, but that is not going to make your point convincing.

When you go to your boss on a business case, do you put in assumptions that only work for you? Of course not! Boss, I want to hire 16 more people for my group because I feel that we would need them all to process all those emails we have. May seem like a mundane function to everyone else, but to me, that's what I feel. Try bringing that to your boss and see what happens.

I am sure you will pull the "I am not here to convince you" card, but too bad, you are on a discussion forum to discuss things, and without anything to back you up, you have nothing to discuss.

Seriously?
you are so cute when Kobe gets you all riled up ...

[Killakobe81]

Of course you don't have to, it's not like I am going to eat your children if you can't defend your stance. It's just puzzling, that's all. Not to mention that you put it out there, and just pull the "I don't have to defend anything" card when challenged.



But you just used it to rank players all time. not only that, you used a random cutoff point of number of 30 point games.



I am not sure why you are saying that I cannot understand is an act, because I really failing to see the logic all. So far, I only have the eye test and the number of 30 point games.

Are you sure you know what this word means?
I did not rank player by scoring that was a list I found online.
It might not even be up to date tbh ...
I was just proving a point ...

[ambchang]

the action or process of giving a specified rank or place within a grading system.

You want to go dictionary on me?

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/rank?s=t
to assign to a particular position, station, class, etc.:

[ambchang]

Seriously?
you are so cute when Kobe gets you all riled up ...

Riled up how? You are avoiding the point of this discussion by somehow assigning emotions to me through the internet. You are just confusing me more and more.

[ambchang]

Are you sure you know what this word means?
I did not rank player by scoring that was a list I found online.
It might not even be up to date tbh ...
I was just proving a point ...

Yeah, I just pulled the definition online, which is consistent with how I have viewed it.

What point were you trying to prove? If you have one other than what I thought you were, you didn't do a good job conveying that point.

[Killakobe81]

Riled up how? You are avoiding the point of this discussion by somehow assigning emotions to me through the internet. You are just confusing me more and more.

I am not avoiding anything.
I have said repeatedly why I prefer Kobe ...you just dont like that answer so you choose to try engaging in a debate no one even wants. No spur fan is choosing Kobe career, peak or otherwise.
I have said repeatedly why I RANKED Duncan over Kobe career wise and I listed how I came about with that ranking previously and how I list with Tim on the 1st team and Kobe on the 2nd.

YOu are the only person still with an issue.
djohn agreed and left. No one cares. About my personal list except you.
It's flattering but you already won all you can.

Let it go ...Let it go.

[Killakobe81]

I know what you are feeling. .. let it go ...let it go ...

[AlexJones]

Duncan's probably the one guy in all of sports to actually be disrespected when people regard him as the best all-time at his own position. He's been the GOAT PF since 2003, folks. It's laughable that he isn't universally considered to be top 5.

[Killakobe81]

Duncan's probably the one guy in all of sports to actually be disrespected when people regard him as the best all-time at his own position. He's been the GOAT PF since 2003, folks. It's laughable that he isn't universally considered to be top 5.

he is in mine!

C Kareem
PF Duncan
SF Lebron
SG Jordan
PG Magic

Top 5 no doubt about it ... on this we agree.

[ambchang]

I am not avoiding anything.
I have said repeatedly why I prefer Kobe ...you just dont like that answer so you choose to try engaging in a debate no one even wants. No spur fan is choosing Kobe career, peak or otherwise.
I have said repeatedly why I RANKED Duncan over Kobe career wise and I listed how I came about with that ranking previously and how I list with Tim on the 1st team and Kobe on the 2nd.

YOu are the only person still with an issue.
djohn agreed and left. No one cares. About my personal list except you.
It's flattering but you already won all you can.

Let it go ...Let it go.

I can't stand lack of logic, and that's it. Kobes peak is horrifically bad for a supposed top 10 player.

[cobbler]

I can't stand lack of logic, and that's it.

And yet you cannot grasp that 5.3>5.0, 4>3, 18>16, and in the case of TD vs MJ defenses 4>0. But hey you get a point for knowing 19>15 so your not a complete re !

[HarlemHeat37]

Cobbler!!!!

[ambchang]

And yet you cannot grasp that 5.3>5.0, 4>3, 18>16, and in the case of TD vs MJ defenses 4>0. But hey you get a point for knowing 19>15 so your not a complete re !

What the is 5.3? I am not even sure what is 4>3. And 18>16 is true, but then the lakers were more consistent over the years while Celtics had a lot of valleys.
I am of entirely sure what those numbers are. What you showed are a bunch of simple arithmetical facts, can't really tie it to basketball prominence.

[cobbler]

What the is 5.3? I am not even sure what is 4>3. And 18>16 is true, but then the lakers were more consistent over the years while Celtics had a lot of valleys.
I am of entirely sure what those numbers are. What you showed are a bunch of simple arithmetical facts, can't really tie it to basketball prominence.

Let me tie it to basketball for ya. 5.3 is 5 les with 3 le defenses among them. Do I have to explain the 5.0?

The 4>3 is head to head playoff series between the Lakers and Spurs. Let's talk about those for a minute. Of the 4 Laker series victories 2 were in conf semi's and 2 were conf finals. The 3 Spurs series wins were 1 first rounder and 2 conf semi finals. Let's look at the two times the teams met in the conf finals which obviously is the highest bracket level the two teams can play in. Both Laker victories and the game W/L is 8 to 1 Lakers. Yes. that is correct, when the two teams met in the conference finals the Spurs managed to only win one game.

The 18>16 has nothing to do with the Celtics. You really are dimwitted. The Laker/Celtic les are 16 and 17. 18>16 is the head to head playoff wins. Lakers take that too.

The 19>15 is the amount of years the teams made the playoffs over the 19 years. You know, the reason you gave that trumped all the above in your reasoning why the Spurs were the better team.

Capeesh?

[midnightpulp]

" le defenses."