Argentine Patricio Garino signs with the Spurs per Woj

[spurs10]

Question is where do all the new guys fit. Good to see some size on some of these guys. LJC, Bertans, and Garino aren't all going to be 3rd string SFs. I see LJC at the 4. Bertans and Garino look like they could be wing players that drift between 2 & 3. Simmons is going to have some compe ion at camp.

[ceperez]

I think Garino like Bertans will be ready to play. Garino has exposure to high level international compe ion which is very different from guys like LJC, Murray and Forbes.

I would say that assuming he makes the team (which is bad news for Forbes and Arcidiacono) is that he'll be in the regular 13 man rotation with both Murray and LJC spending time in Austin.

I expect the following 13 man roster:

Parker/Mills/Simmons
Green/Manu/Garino
Leonard/Anderson/Bertans
Aldridge/Lee
Pau/Dedmon

Murray and LJC are spending time in Austin.

Looking forward to human cigar play with Anderson, Simmons, Garino, Bertans and Lee.

I wonder though what PATFO to sign Garino. They must have saw something in international play.

[Canyonero]

I wonder though what PATFO to sign Garino. They must have saw something in international play.

Manu scouting + Pop got to see him play against USA.

[ElNono]

I wonder though what PATFO to sign Garino. They must have saw something in international play.

I'm sure they had him on their radar a while ago, but word is what triggered it was Pop watching the Team USA vs Argentina friendly a week ago, where he played.

[ceperez]

I'm sure they had him on their radar a while ago, but word is what triggered it was Pop watching the Team USA vs Argentina friendly a week ago, where he played.

What I don't get though is that Spurs could have evaluated him early like they did Forbes and Arcidacono. Did they have to see him play against team USA?

[ElNono]

What I don't get though is that Spurs could have evaluated him early like they did Forbes and Arcidacono. Did they have to see him play against team USA?

I guess they wanted to see him compete against actual NBA players, hard to know... like I said, I would be surprised if the Spurs didn't have him in their radar prior to that game.

[ceperez]

I guess they wanted to see him compete against actual NBA players, hard to know... like I said, I would be surprised if the Spurs didn't have him in their radar prior to that game.

Some Garino highights against team USA.



Not bad against all-star players!!

He's got length and some spring to actually contest shots.

[eDizzle20]

No question he plays with great effort, especially on d. The backup SF is very much up for grabs and KA has not shown to be consistent when it counts. Very excited to see him in the preseason. He may get that 15th roster spot. Hopefully it will be him or Forbes.

[YGWHI]

RS numbers are kind to Manu defensively but as we saw in the playoffs Manu just can't at this point. Dion Waiters ate him alive. Dion Waiters, ok!!!!! I think Simmons would have been fouling like crazy in the playoffs though or just simply getting blown. He has a lot to work on defensively, specially if Pop will play Kyle as a stretch 4. At this point our better perimeter defenders after Kawhi are Danny and Kyle. The team needs someone else.

Do you really think it will change? Pop had the opportunity to play Danny more minutes in a crucial Durant/Westbrook matchup and opted to give Manu tough defensive assignaments even when he couldn't hold his own against any OKC guard in the series.

Pop'll still rely on Manu a lot in playoffs instead of giving Kawhi/Danny/Kyle/Simms more minutes, he'll put Manu to defend faster/younger guards, and the results will be the same...Sometimes it seems like Pop doesn't realize how much Parker/Manu have aged.

[ElNono]

What incensed me about Pop wasn't that he put Manu on Dion Waiters. It's that he put Manu for long stretches against Westbrook. You can pretty much find the reason I started the "Pop has officially lost it" (or whatever it was called) thread on that decision alone. I'm not even sure Danny can check Westbrook consistently, but one thing I know for sure, Manu sure as cannot at 38 years old.

But this also goes along another line where the Spurs (or Pop) have been really lacking: other teams are not afraid to play their youngster stars longer minutes. I can't remember a game where OKC didn't play one of Durant or Westbrook with their bench. And Pop would stick to playing just the bench, despite that we had younger legs to throw out there and match up. That was understandable back in 2012 or 2013, when Kawhi and Danny were a little more raw, we had an old duncan instead of 30 year old Lamarcus, and it probably always makes sense in the regular season, to save some legs. But in the playoffs, you can't let such obvious mismatches go for long, especially game after game, it was really maddening, tbh...

[SAGirl]

What incensed me about Pop wasn't that he put Manu on Dion Waiters. It's that he put Manu for long stretches against Westbrook. You can pretty much find the reason I started the "Pop has officially lost it" (or whatever it was called) thread on that decision alone. I'm not even sure Danny can check Westbrook consistently, but one thing I know for sure, Manu sure as cannot at 38 years old.

But this also goes along another line where the Spurs (or Pop) have been really lacking: other teams are not afraid to play their youngster stars longer minutes. I can't remember a game where OKC didn't play one of Durant or Westbrook with their bench. And Pop would stick to playing just the bench, despite that we had younger legs to throw out there and match up. That was understandable back in 2012 or 2013, when Kawhi and Danny were a little more raw, we had an old duncan instead of 30 year old Lamarcus, and it probably always makes sense in the regular season, to save some legs. But in the playoffs, you can't let such obvious mismatches go for long, especially game after game, it was really maddening, tbh...

Durant or Westbrook had it relatively easy on defense bc their bigs and Roberson took the two Spurs stars on while Durant and Russ rested guarding Tony and Danny. This past version of the team didn't have anything or anyone else to throw at OKC. Kawhi and LMA didn't get set up and played a very demanding style based on physically dominating guys in the post who are strong and overwhelming defensive specialists, while they also had to do everything on the other end bc the team was physically overwhelmed boarding, boxing out or checking Russ, Durant, and Adams.

Not to justify Pop bc I do think there's a lot he could have done, but Kawhi and LMA burden in that series was inhuman. Aside from the defensive burden on both, almost no one could pitch in offensively to give a breather. (Danny had a good series overall but he's the recipient of plays and Tony only had 2-3 good games and he doesn't give anything defensively.)

Kawhi wasn't resting until the 4th Q on defense like LeBron does. His style is not as light as Curry who runs off a pick and off the shot goes. It's a very different style and a different demand placed on him. Truth be told Pop maybe didn't want to have to do what he did but he had to.

The bench had so many problems with their bigs anyways that Kawhi wasn't going to single handedly fix it. It was too much and maybe Pop gambled and took a risk that he thought gave the team the best chance because it gave Kawhi and LMA the best chance to have enough energy to close those games out.

I do think there are other things Pop could have done but they involved guys Pop had not trusted in the crux of games through the season, and even less against the elite teams, thus those guys weren't ready. Pop lived and died with the team that got them there.

[kaji157]

Durant or Westbrook had it relatively easy on defense bc their bigs and Roberson took the two Spurs stars on while Durant and Russ rested guarding Tony and Danny. This past version of the team didn't have anything or anyone else to throw at OKC. Kawhi and LMA didn't get set up and played a very demanding style based on physically dominating guys in the post who are strong and overwhelming defensive specialists, while they also had to do everything on the other end bc the team was physically overwhelmed boarding, boxing out or checking Russ, Durant, and Adams.

Not to justify Pop bc I do think there's a lot he could have done, but Kawhi and LMA burden in that series was inhuman. Aside from the defensive burden on both, almost no one could pitch in offensively to give a breather. (Danny had a good series overall but he's the recipient of plays and Tony only had 2-3 good games and he doesn't give anything defensively.)

Kawhi wasn't resting until the 4th Q on defense like LeBron does. His style is not as light as Curry who runs off a pick and off the shot goes. It's a very different style and a different demand placed on him. Truth be told Pop maybe didn't want to have to do what he did but he had to.

The bench had so many problems with their bigs anyways that Kawhi wasn't going to single handedly fix it. It was too much and maybe Pop gambled and took a risk that he thought gave the team the best chance because it gave Kawhi and LMA the best chance to have enough energy to close those games out.

I do think there are other things Pop could have done but they involved guys Pop had not trusted in the crux of games through the season, and even less against the elite teams, thus those guys weren't ready. Pop lived and died with the team that got them there.

To you and Nono, while i agree putting Manu on Westbrooks is what really embarrassed him, it´s important to notice that in 5 of the six games the Spurs had the chance to close it to their favor. They closed all games with Kawhi and LMA on court and they did not deliver despite the fact that they were playing almost 10 less minutes than their counterparts from OKC.

So, in retrospect, the idea was not all bad, as the Spurs entered the last minutes of each games with a rest advantage, just failed to capitalise more than they suceded.

I would also agree that the bench could not get the usual advantage they usually got because they were matched against a very strong front line exposing the weakest link n ours. We payed a lot for not easing Boban into the lineup as we had to play him sparingly.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Cant figure that out just yet bu doing it by position maybe a little easier by looking at if a starter misses exstensive games is his back up good enough to start and do we have a backup for him to start with second unit?

Pg. Parker, Mills, DM, ARCi?? - I am ok with this position I think best time to get DM minutes is early in the season to give Tony some rest and teams are still needing to jell so easier for new guys. I like ARCi I just think we have other needs

SG. Green, Manu, Mills, FORBES? This is a little more interesting if Forbes can show he can keep lighting it up and plays decent defense he has a shot.

SF. Kawhi, Andeson, Simmons, GARINO? I think this is one if our in the armor is if Kawhi is missing games
can we win 8 to 15 with his backup starting? Like Forbes I think Gariono
has a legit chance as he can play two positions

PF. Aldrige, Lee, Bertans, LIVIO? I like Lee pickup but I am not sold that Bertans can play the 4 for exstensive time don't get me wrong I think he is going to be the talk of the town starting next year. As far as Livio he is the mystery man from watching him in summer league he is assured a place on the D-league team. I really like Nnoko I know it's only one game but he was playing great defense and is very athletic and very young. Hope he get an invite

C. Paul, Dedman, ?? Biggest issue to me is Center as Dedman is still a newbie to
the game.

I don't think Bertans will get time at the 4. Just because he is tall doesn't mean he's a 4. He is a 3 in most line ups. Anderson will get time at the 4. IMHO he will get time there before David Lee. I see Lee as our 5th big right now. At center, Aldridge will get some time. I doubt we see LJC on the big team except in the case of injury. I think Anderson will be the key to just how productive the bench will be. If he doesn't have a significant increase in his scoring average the bench will have trouble scoring.

[poeticism707]

He must have a hot wife, then.

[poeticism707]

Looks dramatically better than DG on the highlight vids posted.

[poeticism707]

The video I have seen (which is obviously very limited) he reminds me of Nocioni. He sort of has that athletic but doesn't look athletic body/movement.

This.

[poeticism707]

Leonard is 6'6" without shoes. Garino is also 6'6" without shoes. The difference is Leonard has a 7'3" wingspan, Garino has 6'10" wingspan.

Danny Green is shorter, but with same wingspan at 6'10".

Kyle Anderson is 6'7.5" without shoes with a 7'2.5" wingspan.

So just on these numbers, I think Garino should be able to play SF.

Draymond Green is 6'5.5" tall and 7'1" wingspan... honestly Garino physicals check out to be okay in today's game.

This.

[Kawhitstorm]

Leonard is 6'6" without shoes. Garino is also 6'6" without shoes. The difference is Leonard has a 7'3" wingspan, Garino has 6'10" wingspan.

Danny Green is shorter, but with same wingspan at 6'10".

Kyle Anderson is 6'7.5" without shoes with a 7'2.5" wingspan.

So just on these numbers, I think Garino should be able to play SF.

Draymond Green is 6'5.5" tall and 7'1" wingspan... honestly Garino physicals check out to be okay in today's game.

Garino is built like Defino & has a similar game.

[gambit1990]

Garino is built like Defino & has a similar game.

reminds me more of nocioni.

[Kawhitstorm]

He's got length and some spring to actually contest shots.

[Kawhitstorm]

reminds me more of nocioni.

Nocioni was an excellent rebounder for his position & a very physical player.

[Canyonero]

Delfinocioni then.

[r0drig0lac]

Garino starter vs France
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[ace3g]

CABB Verified account ‏@cabboficial

Laprovittola, Ginóbili, Garino, Scola y Acuña, ulares contra Francia. Link para estadísticas http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/SLF/308580/

[DAF86]

Garino is built like Defino & has a similar game.

Nah, Delfino has always been a scorer. Garino has never been nor he will ever be one. The Nocioni comparisson is the fairest one. Although I don't think Garino will be as good.