Damn, Stephen Jackson just aired out Porker's dirty laundry on THTV

[Sean Cagney]

Avery Johnson had a better assist-per-game average than Porker feeding Admrial.

Avery Johnson was pretty bad IMO man I still wonder how he was a starting PG on a le team? Then again with Admiral and Tim on the team in their primes it's not hard to pass them the ball and hit a wiiidddee open J at times.

[Kawhitstorm]

what's AJ and DR have to do with that discussion ? Avery Johnson > Tony Parker ?

Based on your logic Avery is a better point guard than Porker.

[From Downtown]

Avery Johnson was pretty bad IMO man I still wonder how he was a starting PG on a le team? Then again with Admiral and Tim on the team in their primes it's not hard to pass them the ball and hit a wiiidddee open J at times.

In that "Championship revealed" Dvd Tony said that when he came over Pop wanted him to be like AJ, and in his head he was thinking "I don't wanna be Avery Johnson, I wanna be better than that"

[Sean Cagney]

In that "Championship revealed" Dvd Tony said that when he came over Pop wanted him to be like AJ, and in his head he was thinking "I don't wanna be Avery Johnson, I wanna be better than that"

I would hope so tbh . Avery was a journeyman and stuck in SA, any PG would have won with that team tbh. I remember Stoudamire saying one time they won't win a le with Avery at PG, well they did and the team was pretty much the reason around him. He did hit his open shots for that playoff run though I will give him that, did his job of pass and hit wide open 12-15 footers well.

[cd98]

Damn this has been a long summer. Almost have to avoid this site until October.

[Kawhitstorm]

Avery Johnson was pretty bad IMO man I still wonder how he was a starting PG on a le team? Then again with Admiral and Tim on the team in their primes it's not hard to pass them the ball and hit a wiiidddee open J at times.

Avery isn't as bad as folks make him out to be, he was basically a steady version of Speedy Claxton. He stepped up in the postseason unlike Porker.

He outplayed Kidd in '98 during Tim's first postseason series: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s-vs-suns.html

He also neutralized Stockton in the 2nd Rd: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s-vs-jazz.html
....too bad Admiral choked against Greg Foster.

Avery also destroyed Kenny Smith in '95, too bad Hakeem shook MVP Admiral: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-spurs.html

[J_Paco]

Tim wouldn't have beaten the Phil Jackson's Shaq/Kirby Lakers without Jack as proven in 2001, 2002, 2004.

You truly are stupid, man. Jackson sure didn't win anything without Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and Greg Popovich.

Jackson was a bit player nothing more, nothing less....

Or did you forget about the 3 championships they won after he left?

And if he was so concerned with winning more championships, he would have stayed BOTH TIMES in SA and done exactly that. Instead, he looked out for himself (nothing wrong with getting paid, TBH), then came back had a solid playoff while the next season he again burned bridges and was dumped by Pop.

You're being far too generous to parker lol. That er's sorry vision didn't extend one millimeter beyond Duncan lol. People ing about Duncan still having had too many useless ill-advised possessions the last 3 years had no one to blame but Parker keeping up with pure habit and unable to adjust until slightly this past year.

Do you really think a 15 year starting PG would be able to play as long as Tony has with a "sorry ass court vision?"

I agree that Manu had the better vision and creativity, but you are really underselling Parker's ability to see the floor.

He isn't on Patty Mills' level which is far worse, IMO.

[Brazil]

Based on your logic Avery is a better point guard than Porker.

what logic? I simply commented your post about P&R Duncan / Parker that you presented as a bad thing... Idaf at the whole argument about per 36 with Manu and Parker fans going at it... as I said I am growing tired of that endless ping pong... I won't convince you that Parker is not a piece of trash and you won't convince he is... pointless

[Brazil]

ouch...my feelings

[Kawhitstorm]

You truly are stupid, man. Jackson sure didn't win anything without Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and Greg Popovich.

Jackson was a bit player nothing more, nothing less....

Or did you forget about the 3 championships they won after he left?

You mean AFTER the Phil/Kirby/Snack Lakers broke up?

And if he was so concerned with winning more championships, he would have stayed BOTH TIMES in SA and done exactly that. Instead, he looked out for himself (nothing wrong with getting paid, TBH), then came back had a solid playoff while the next season he again burned bridges and was dumped by Pop.

Why in the would he want to play w/ a an ass-hole point guard when he's getting paid peanuts? All he asked was to be compensated instead of getting low-balled & let's just say RC dropped the ball by choosing to sign Hedo.

[Kawhitstorm]

what logic? I simply commented your post about P&R Duncan / Parker that you presented as a bad thing... Idaf at the whole argument about per 36 with Manu and Parker fans going at it... as I said I am growing tired of that endless ping pong... I won't convince you that Parker is not a piece of trash and you won't convince he is... pointless

Nobody said Porker in his PRIME was trash but the FACT is that Manu is a BETTER player.

[dabom]

Manu is clearly superior. No shame in that.

[apalisoc_9]

Manu is clearly superior. No shame in that.

[SASdynasty!]

You're being far too generous to parker lol. That er's sorry vision didn't extend one millimeter beyond Duncan lol. People ing about Duncan still having had too many useless ill-advised possessions the last 3 years had no one to blame but Parker keeping up with pure habit and unable to adjust until slightly this past year.

Lol, Parker still had the best court vision on the Spurs. Who else could have made the kick-out pass to LMA for a 3 at the end of the game against OKC this year? No one, not even Manu.

[J_Paco]

You mean AFTER the Phil/Kirby/Snack Lakers broke up?



Why in the would he want to play w/ a an ass-hole point guard when he's getting paid peanuts? All he asked was to be compensated instead of getting low-balled & let's just say RC dropped the ball by choosing to sign Hedo.

Who gives a about just the LAL, the remaining (better) players stayed and won championships. They even dropped him after losing to OKC and went on to back-to-back Finals appearances.

Getting millions of dollars to start and win championships is getting "paid peanuts?" Man, you're dumb as . He chose to bail on the defending champion for selfish reasons, got paid and never saw the same level of success.

Yet, now he s on modern players for "chasing the money," being "selfish" and playing for themselves. That is practically all he did throughout most of his NBA career, dumb ass!

Ironic that you're a supposed Kawhi fan, yet you are here defending a guy that is his complete an hesis.

[Clipper Nation]

J Paco might actually make me vote for Trump Tbh

Don't forget, he's going to deport LkrFan too. I'm sure Trump has your vote on lock now.

[LkrFan]

Don't forget, he's going to deport LkrFan too. I'm sure Trump has your vote on lock now.

[Play Boban]

Enrique aside, its weird how this forum romanticizes the history of Stephen Jackson on the Spurs dude had a good year in our 2003 le run and immediately dipped because of his ego, spent years doing jack , came back for a season and did solid in the postseason (although no one points out he was essentially invisible after the first half in Game 6) and the next year he was ing and moaning and Pop kicked his ass out. he's essentially a more successful Gary Neal spurs-wise yet people act like he's some legendary Spur

Enrique is a selfish fatass and ty teammate and Stephen Jackson is a butthurt got trying to stay relevant. IMO

Truth bombs...

[Play Boban]

Manu is clearly superior. No shame in that.

Parker couldn't even hold Avery Johnson's water. , he couldn't hold Speedy Claxton's!!!

[SASdynasty!]

Parker couldn't even hold Avery Johnson's water. , he couldn't hold Speedy Claxton's!!!

Haha Avery Johnson...you mean the journeyman that played for like 10 teams and averaged 8 PPG for his career? Hahaha. Parker will probably average more than that in his 20th season.

Or Speedy Claxton, the journeyman that somehow played for 6 teams in 7 illustrious seasons in the NBA and averaged 9 PPG?

If you combine those 2 guys, you get Parker's career average at 17 PPG. Cool.

[Kawhitstorm]

Who gives a about just the LAL, the remaining (better) players stayed and won championships.

You know who the Spurs could have used in '04 when Hedo was choking & in '06 when Dirk was torching Finely/Bowen? Action Jackson. Spurs would have 3-peated ('05-'07) if Jack was on the roster & the Fisher 0.4 shyt would have never happened.

They even dropped him after losing to OKC and went on to back-to-back Finals appearances.

Jack was washed up & an expiring contract in 2013 so that's irrelevant.

Getting millions of dollars to start and win championships is getting "paid peanuts?" Man, you're dumb as . He chose to bail on the defending champion for selfish reasons, got paid and never saw the same level of success.

Yet, now he s on modern players for "chasing the money," being "selfish" and playing for themselves. That is practically all he did throughout most of his NBA career, dumb ass!

Dumbass, do you know what they offered him? 3yr/10 mill when Malik Rose got 6yr/42 mill the previous summer.

Jack gambled on himself & eventually got PAID what he DESERVED!

[J_Paco]

You know who the Spurs could have used in '04 when Hedo was choking & in '06 when Dirk was torching Finely/Bowen? Action Jackson. Spurs would have 3-peated ('05-'07) if Jack was on the roster & the Fisher 0.4 shyt would have never happened.



Jack was washed up & an expiring contract in 2013 so that's irrelevant.



Dumbass, do you know what they offered him? 3yr/10 mill when Malik Rose got 6yr/42 mill the previous summer.

Jack gambled on himself & eventually got PAID what he DESERVED!

1. Hypothetical horse . Keep living in the world of "what if's" while I'll enjoy the three les the Big 3 won together for the Spurs. Jackson's greedy ass and his bank account.

If Fisher hadn' made that shot, if Manu hadn't fouled Dirk, if Kawhi/Manu makes their free throws, if Ray Allen misses his three point attempt......

Anyone can play the "if" game, dumbass...

2. It isn't "irrelevant." He was big for them in '13 but came back in poor shape (really showing he's dedicated to the team) for the following season. He played poorly, complained about his role and was a distraction for the team. So, right before the playoffs start Pop canned him to and the team was BETTER WITHOUT HIM.

3. For the last time, I had no problem with him getting paid. But, he iis a huge HYPOCRITE because he has bashed modern players for chasing money over winning. He did the exact same thing during his playing career.

Who gives a how much the Spurs offered him. Is it your ing bank account or something? He wss offered what they could afford under the CBA. And he was an unproven commodity that needed to go put up "good" numbers on a ty team. The Spurs were smart to offer him a lower deal and he was smart to refuse while moving on.

Here stupid (reposted): http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-sel...173851517.html

“There’s a lot of guys in the NBA right now that are making money but they really don’t care if they win or lose as long as they are getting the paycheck and I’ve never been like that.

“That’s the sad part of the NBA right now, that there are some players that are making a lot of money but they don’t really care about winning games and bringing the championship or a winning season to the organization, and that’s what the fans are complaining about. And that’s why a lot of fans want me back in the game. Because they know I appreciate the game, I’m not just there to get a paycheck.”

Complete lies and bull ...

What he did himself:

In 2002-03 Stephen Jackson played for the San Antonio Spurs. He started 58 games during the regular season and all 24 of its playoff games ahead of rookie Manu Ginobili (still nursing an ankle injury from the World Championships the summer before), averaging 12.8 points per game in the postseason. He was absolutely key in the team’s eventual run to the le, notching 17 points in the team’s deciding Game 6 Finals win over the New Jersey Nets.
In the offseason, he signed a two-year deal with a player option for the second year with the Atlanta Hawks, a team that missed the playoffs the year before and fired its coach (Lon Kruger) 37 games into the season.

and sign a major deal the next summer, after the Hawks won just 28 games and fielded 23 total players in 2003-04, but ramp up his value as a major scoring threat on a terrible team. With the plan successfully executed, prior to 2004-05 Jackson signed a six-year, $40 million deal with the Atlanta Hawks and was immediately shipped to the Indiana Pacers. The Spurs went on to win the le that year.

Jackson used his short time with Atlanta to load up his resume in ways that went beyond “championship role player.” He finished second on the team with 18.1 points per game, and parlayed that into a hefty contract (for its time). It’s true the Spurs were looking to clear cap space in the summer of 2003, but Jackson certainly could have stuck in San Antonio (the defending champs) for what he ended up making during his lone, shot-happy season in Atlanta (the minimum of $1 million).
Instead, he chose to leave a champion to go to a terrible team in order to loft enough shots to secure a big pay day. Good for him, we’d say, if he weren’t out here 13 years later criticizing unnamed players for doing the same thing.

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E = Stephen Jackson

This lying ass is y'all character witness, though.

[Kawhitstorm]

3. For the last time, I had no problem with him getting paid. But, he iis a huge HYPOCRITE because he has bashed modern players for chasing money over winning. He did the exact same thing during his playing career

Yeah, he should play for 3 mill when bums like Malik Rose & Biedrins are making 40-50 mill.

Did anybody call out Ariza when he left the Lakers in '08 b/c "he wanted to expand his role"?

Who gives a how much the Spurs offered him. Is it your ing bank account or something? He wss offered what they could afford under the CBA. And he was an unproven commodity that needed to go put up "good" numbers on a ty team. The Spurs were smart to offer him a lower deal and he was smart to refuse while moving on

You do understand RC gave Rose/ Jefferson 40 mill contracts & had to give up 1st rd picks to get ride of 'em but couldn't even offer Jack a 20 mill contract. Those two 1st rd picks ended up being David Lee/Ezeli.

[Sean Cagney]

Avery isn't as bad as folks make him out to be, he was basically a steady version of Speedy Claxton. He stepped up in the postseason unlike Porker.

He outplayed Kidd in '98 during Tim's first postseason series: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s-vs-suns.html

He also neutralized Stockton in the 2nd Rd: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s-vs-jazz.html
....too bad Admiral choked against Greg Foster.

Avery also destroyed Kenny Smith in '95, too bad Hakeem shook MVP Admiral: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-spurs.html

Avery had a decent post season in 99 I will give him that, infact his jumpers he was getting mid range he hit at a high clip. Parker had a good playoff run before as well but I will save that for another day, he has had his bad ones as well.

Avery did better than I thought though in those series you mentioned! Utah used to always get us man, for years on end they would knock the Spurs out of the playoffs. I see Avery was a little better than I thought though some series, then again I can put up a few series where Parker destroyed some folks as well through the years, at 19 he played head on GP in the Sonics series and held his own (Gary's dad even clowned him on it to motivate him). Parker would always head up with Nash too, most of the time got the better of him in those series but we know Nash plays no D so...... Billups, Kidd and a few others whipped Parker when he played them head on, he was young as in the 03 finals so I expected it though.

Parker couldn't even hold Avery Johnson's water.

Said nobody ever being serious...... Ask any coach, player or fan who they take 10 times out of ten, you know.......

Avery still was an average player with his body of work, not as bad as I remembered obviously but I remember my friend calling him a bum all the time to me during the 99 run because dude hated him lol. I will take Tony any day over him, times ten. I know you would not

[J_Paco]

Yeah, he should play for 3 mill when bums like Malik Rose & Biedrins are making 40-50 mill.

Did anybody call out Ariza when he left the Lakers in '08 b/c "he wanted to expand his role"?



You do understand RC gave Rose/ Jefferson 40 mill contracts & had to give up 1st rd picks to get ride of 'em but couldn't even offer Jack a 20 mill contract. Those two 1st rd picks ended up being David Lee/Ezeli.

Good Lord, there is so much stupidity and faulty logic in your post that I don't want to even address it all.


1. Needless to say, has Ariza made himself look like a complete hypocrite/liar by bashing players for going after the money over winning? The short answer is no.

Nice job trying to deflect, though.


The market is going to dictate how much they earn, stupid ass. He wasn't offered anything above the Spurs offer because he hadn't done of value. He had to go play on an absolutely terrible team to help increase his value. Good for him. He never won anything or did anything of merit except an upset win with 07 Warriors.

He soon ed that situation up just like every where else, although I'm not surprised.

2. What the does any of that have to do with Jackson's situation in San Antonio in '03? Absolutely nothing at all.

R.C. has given goo value contracts and bad contracts just like every GM in every professional league. He offered Jackson what he believed his market value was and Jackson didn't accept. Instead, choosing to play on a bad team and go after a huge payday over winning championships. Which are two things he claims he never did.

See stupid, you are trying in vein to rationalize his false narrative with what actually happened. Maybe in your land "what if's" and make believe that'll fly, but I'm going to call bull when I see it.

Good try though.....