Europe: [Futbol] Looking at the Olympics...

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I have never seen an internet poster with a bigger penis envy than midnightpulp.

" How can my little 6 year old brother have a bigger than me? "

[FkLA]

I also find it funny that FKLA props up sprinters forgetting the fact that 90% of an MLB lineup needs to train up their sprint speeds over 90 feet and over 360 feet while turning to their max. Even Clayton Kershaw was reaching near 20mph on the basepaths, not much slower than 30" vertical/dunking on 8 foot rims Mexicanball player Ronaldo.

Are you seriously comparing the type of training actual sprinters do to the 'training' fatball players do to run the bases? You wouldn't have any Colons, Cabreras, or Fat Papis if the training regiments were even remotely similar.

[midnightpulp]

Anyways, let's see aside from Colon and Sabathia I'm going to name fat players off the top of my head:

Babe Ruth
Roger Clemens
Prince Fielder
Tony Gwynn
David Wells
Miguel Cabrera
Aramis Ramirez
John Kruk
Fernando Valenzuela
Fat Papi
Lance Berkman
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Livan Hernandez
Molina catchers
Carlos Zambrano

That's just within a minute or two and just some of the higher profile players a casual fan such as myself has heard of. I'm sure there's plenty more fatties that are average or below average that I've never heard of.

So baseball has the about the same number of fatties in its history as an NFL roster? , an NFL line probably weighs more than those listed players combined.

"But, but it's different for the NFL! They're strong and stuff!"

Get off of it. I played nose guard, an undersized one at that, and there's nothing particularly taxing about the "trenches" outside of worrying about a player coming down on your leg wrong. Pitching and hitting is 100x harder than playing the line in football.

Yet you unironically love the NFL when it's the fattest sport in the world

[Clipper Nation]

When will staters understand that the "low scoring" is actually one of the things that makes soccer the most popular sport around the globe.

Folks love the hard work that it takes to score in soccer. They love that the importance of a score isn't diluted. They love going nuts every time their team scores instead of being used to it.

Scoring in soccer is like a good orgasm. You increasingly work for it with anticipation, and when the moment finally comes you see yourself taken away by an explosion of pleasure.

If scoring in soccer was regularly higher it would feel like jacking off every 5 minutes. At some point you would feel numb.

But then povertyball fans whine about actual sports (not third-world lawn games) that are low-scoring, such as baseball and hockey.

Face it, povertyball fans just love their 0-0 ties. It feeds into their liberal "nobody wins, everyone gets a trophy" mentality. It's the same mindset that drives them to celebrate not getting demoted to the minor leagues as if they won a championship.

Povertyball is the celebration of mediocrity.

[midnightpulp]

Are you seriously comparing the type of training actual sprinters do to the 'training' fatball players do to run the bases? You wouldn't have any Colons, Cabreras, or Fat Papis if the training regiments were even remotely similar.

So you're whole counterargument is to reference the same handful of specialist players over and over and over and over?

Fine. Tim Duncan, unathletic as over the past few years, proves basketball is a "game" because a 40 year player like him with two bad knees who can't jump 5" in the air nor run for was a top rated player in the league last season. At least we have footage of Colon and Ortiz running up to 16 mph.

And then you have lops like Aron Baynes, that 7'5" Indian, Robert Sacre, Al Jefferson, your fatass boy Diaw, Zach Randolph, and such in the league. What other sport could they realistically play? Nothing.

"But it's different!"

It isn't.

You can call baseball boring and static, which is fine. You like your "sports" cut from the cookie-cutter goal sport mold (guys on a court or field running around trying to throw or kick a ball into a goal), but your aesthetic preferences for motion and "lean" players don't discredit something as a sport.

And Ortiz isn't really all that fat.





"But it's different!"

Sure

[DAF86]

But then povertyball fans whine about actual sports (not third-world lawn games) that are low-scoring, such as baseball and hockey.

Face it, povertyball fans just love their 0-0 ties. It feeds into their liberal "nobody wins, everyone gets a trophy" mentality. It's the same mindset that drives them to celebrate not getting demoted to the minor leagues as if they won a championship.

Povertyball is the celebration of mediocrity.

We don't about those sports 'cause they are low-scoring, tbh. In fact, I would argue that low-scoring baseball games are less crappy than high scoring games. At least they don't take 5 ing hours to be completed.

[apalisoc_9]

What's up with the third world thing? To my knwoeldge 9 of the richest countries in the world love soccer.

[Clipper Nation]

We don't about those sports 'cause they are low-scoring, tbh. In fact, I would argue that low-scoring baseball games are less crappy than high scoring games. At least they don't take 5 ing hours to be completed.

No "sport" drags more than floptrot. Even if the games were only one second long, they would be too long and too boring.

[FkLA]

So you're whole counterargument is to reference the same handful of specialist players over and over and over and over?

Fine. Tim Duncan, unathletic as over the past few years, proves basketball is a "game" because a 40 year player like him with two bad knees who can't jump 5" in the air nor run for was a top rated player in the league last season. At least we have footage of Colon and Ortiz running up to 16 mph.

Specialists? I didn't know a starting pitcher and first baseman were specialists. Even Fat Papi played first base earlier in his career.

Nice try. Duncan dropped weight and was in phenomenal shape his last few years. He had one bad knee until this year when his other one gave out.

And then you have lops like Aron Baynes, that 7'5" Indian, Robert Sacre, Al Jefferson, your fatass boy Diaw, Zach Randolph, and such in the league. What other sport could they realistically play? Nothing.

What does that have to do with anything? If any of those guys couldn't play any other sport, it would be simply because they weren't good enough not because they were too ing obese to function in a sport that isn't static 98% of the time. That's the difference between someone like Boris and Colon.

"But it's different!"

It isn't.

You can call baseball boring and static, which is fine. You like your "sports" cut from the cookie-cutter goal sport mold (guys on a court or field running around trying to throw or kick a ball into a goal), but your aesthetic preferences for motion and "lean" players don't discredit something as a sport.

And Ortiz isn't really all that fat.


"But it's different!"

Sure

You go find the slimmest pic you can find of Fat Papi and one of the fattest, random lineman yet I'm the biased one?








And no it's not that I like my sports in the goal mold. I just prefer sports that require exceptional physical effort both on the field/court and off it. Beach volleyball, indoor volleyball, swimming, gymnastics, track, etc are all sports that although I don't follow often I can appreciate the effort that goes into them when watching. In fatball I just can't appreciate players chewing sunflower seeds in the dugout or spitting while standing around waiting to field a ball. Again, I'd probably have less of a problem with the fatness and static-ness of the sport if it simply branded itself as a game instead of a legit sport tbh.

[FkLA]

So baseball has the about the same number of fatties in its history as an NFL roster? , an NFL line probably weighs more than those listed players combined.

"But, but it's different for the NFL! They're strong and stuff!"

Get off of it. I played nose guard, an undersized one at that, and there's nothing particularly taxing about the "trenches" outside of worrying about a player coming down on your leg wrong. Pitching and hitting is 100x harder than playing the line in football.

Yet you unironically love the NFL when it's the fattest sport in the world

You're comparing technical difficulty to physical exertion. Technically, hitting is more difficult. So is billiards. So is this:



Not sure how it'd be as physically taxing as having to generate huge amounts of force to counteract another huge force coming at you though. Or having to be agile enough on top of it to deal with speed rushes. Maybe in middle school it wasn't taxing but I'd imagine at a higher level you'd get crushed playing the line.

[FkLA]

Also just lol at 'atleast Colon has been clocked at 16 mph'

[apalisoc_9]

Also just lol at 'atleast Colon has been clocked at 16 mph'

Holy ...I wouldnt want my kids to watch baseball...terrible health role models.

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Also just lol at 'atleast Colon has been clocked at 16 mph'

this video

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this video

& that video of Piersynski asking the ump for a new baseball..."One you can see."

Never grows old.

[midnightpulp]

Specialists? I didn't know a starting pitcher and first baseman were specialists. Even Fat Papi played first base earlier in his career.

Nice try. Duncan dropped weight and was in phenomenal shape his last few years. He had one bad knee until this year when his other one gave out.



What does that have to do with anything? If any of those guys couldn't play any other sport, it would be simply because they weren't good enough not because they were too ing obese to function in a sport that isn't static 98% of the time. That's the difference between someone like Boris and Colon.



You go find the slimmest pic you can find of Fat Papi and one of the fattest, random lineman yet I'm the biased one?








And no it's not that I like my sports in the goal mold. I just prefer sports that require exceptional physical effort both on the field/court and off it. Beach volleyball, indoor volleyball, swimming, gymnastics, track, etc are all sports that although I don't follow often I can appreciate the effort that goes into them when watching. In fatball I just can't appreciate players chewing sunflower seeds in the dugout or spitting while standing around waiting to field a ball. Again, I'd probably have less of a problem with the fatness and static-ness of the sport if it simply branded itself as a game instead of a legit sport tbh.

Yeah, because throwing a ball 105 mph from the mound or outfield from 300 feet away to nail a runner at home plate, sprinting up to speeds of 23 mph to beat out throws or rob potential hits, jumping 35-40" in the air to rob homeruns, building your core strength to generate 2300-3500 watts of power in order to hit a ball 105-120mph doesn't take any kind of exceptional physical effort on and off the field. Sure, kid

Yeah. A pitcher is a specialist considering he plays every other 5 days. A DH is a specialist position. And baseball, you know, has its power positions where strength is more important for a player to have, so it would make no sense for Ortiz to get shredded in a ways you can fetishize. Didn't help naldo (a poor athlete, even by baseball standards) run or jump really impressively.

Calling baseball a game when you can't even prove how "easy" it is to throw out runners from 110 feet with +80 mph velocity. You can't throw 80 because you're physically incapable of it from a purely athletic standpoint, like most people on the planet.

You love a sport where this skinny fat non-athlete was an MVP candidate at 38.



"It's different!"

I played in high school, going against centers 75lb heavier on average. I used my vertical (better than Ronaldo's max in my day, which shows how pathetic of an athlete he is), quickness, and technique (duck under swim moves, swim spin moves) to out play fat centers. Sure, at an elite level I would get crushed being that undersized, just like anything. Point is, the plays are over so quickly, you're not particularly physically or mentally drained. Much easier to do than pitching and batting from a purely physical standpoint.

You never played sports beyond pick up games at the Y. It's obvious.

And Duncan is a in' lop by any standard. "He's not fat, so he's athletic." No. Ortiz would skull Duncan in a decathlon, yet you have little problem praising the latter.

You're just conditioned to only praise sports where there's constant motion. Wish I lived close to you, so I could film you failing massively, just on purely athletic level, at routine baseball actions like fielding, throwing, and hitting. It might be worth the plane ticket price one day. We'll see.

[DAF86]

Yeah, because throwing a ball 105 mph from the mound or outfield from 300 feet away to nail a runner at home plate, sprinting up to speeds of 23 mph to beat out throws or rob potential hits, jumping 35-40" in the air to rob homeruns, building your core strength to generate 2300-3500 watts of power in order to hit a ball 105-120mph doesn't take any kind of exceptional physical effort on and off the field. Sure, kid

Yeah. A pitcher is a specialist considering he plays every other 5 days. A DH is a specialist position. And baseball, you know, has its power positions where strength is more important for a player to have, so it would make no sense for Ortiz to get shredded in a ways you can fetishize. Didn't help naldo (a poor athlete, even by baseball standards) run or jump really impressively.

Calling baseball a game when you can't even prove how "easy" it is to throw out runners from 110 feet with +80 mph velocity. You can't throw 80 because you're physically incapable of it from a purely athletic standpoint, like most people on the planet.

You love a sport where this skinny fat non-athlete was an MVP candidate at 38.



"It's different!"

I played in high school, going against centers 75lb heavier on average. I used my vertical (better than Ronaldo's max in my day, which shows how pathetic of an athlete he is), quickness, and technique (duck under swim moves, swim spin moves) to out play fat centers. Sure, at an elite level I would get crushed being that undersized, just like anything. Point is, the plays are over so quickly, you're not particularly physically or mentally drained. Much easier to do than pitching and batting from a purely physical standpoint.

You never played sports beyond pick up games at the Y. It's obvious.

And Duncan is a in' lop by any standard. "He's not fat, so he's athletic." No. Ortiz would skull Duncan in a decathlon, yet you have little problem praising the latter.

You're just conditioned to only praise sports where there's constant motion. Wish I lived close to you, so I could film you failing massively, just on purely athletic level, at routine baseball actions like fielding, throwing, and hitting. It might be worth the plane ticket price one day. We'll see.

I would love to have your breakdown of this imaginary decathlon.

[midnightpulp]

I would love to have your breakdown of this imaginary decathlon.

Ortiz has been clocked at 16.4 mph this season. Duncan probably hasn't ran that fast in 10 years. Ortiz wins the 100m and 400m. Ortiz destroys Duncan in the throwing events. Both can't jump for , so hurdles, high jump, and long jump are probably a wash. Maybe Duncan edges him, but not enough to make up the advantage Ortiz has in the throwing events. Duncan wins the 1500. Both ain't doing the pole vault, so 0 points there.

I mean, have you actually watched Duncan in the past 5 years (rhetorical question). Constantly gets his shot blocked inside because he can't jump 12" to dunk most of the time (yes, I know he has a few dunks. 4 over 61 games last season ). He runs the floor nicely for a big, but his run speed is still slow by average standards. I would bet his top speed is below 16mph.

"But it's different!"

Yeah, no. Your crew just dislikes baseball because it's not a cookie cutter goal sport with running and jumping every 10 seconds to keep you "entertained." Doesn't make the sport any less athletically demanding. That extra 1mph of sprint speed trained up for can be the difference between a win and a loss.



Fastest player in college baseball. 6.1 60 yard dash. For comparison, Carl Lewis won a world le in the 60 yard with a 6.13 time.

And this kid needs to train for throwing, fielding, and hitting, as well.

"Not athletically demanding."

You guys are so full of , it's amusing.

[midnightpulp]

"It's different."



And foobaw fans like FkLA call baseball fatball

[Ball Buster]

I'm just going to go ahead and say midnight is Wrecking fools in this thread end of story. And watching the Olympics right now holy South American volleyball is freaking more entertaining then God damn soccer.

Jesus Christ

[midnightpulp]

I'm just going to go ahead and say midnight is Wrecking fools in this thread end of story. And watching the Olympics right now holy South American volleyball is freaking more entertaining then God damn soccer.

Jesus Christ

Oh yeah. Volleyball takes loads more athleticism to play, as well.

[Caltex2]

Wait, you think kids in countries like Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Cuba, etc where fatball is king grow up with all the proper equipment? I'm sure you could go into many of the slums in those countries and see kids using sticks as bats. You'd probably see them using something other than actual fatballs as well.

Fatball can be simple and inexpensive too just like your description of soccer. The only problem is very few people outside the countries I mentioned+the older generation in Murica gives a about the sport. Games are too long, seasons are too long, too boring, too static, not physically demanding at all.

That's my biggest complaint about baseball. There's way too many games, the season should be half as long. It should be a weekend and holiday sport only, Thursday-Monday at the most. The game lengths are long but that wouldn't be so bad if there were fewer of them. The games and rivalries would mean more as well if there were fewer of them. They could even do a promotion and relegation system if need be, 162 games is more than enough to determine who the best team was and like the old days hold a World Series. All those games and they still do 1-game playoffs (not the WC playoff game)?

OK then, so soccer is the most popular sport in the World just by chance. Why soccer then? You know Soccer isn't the oldest sport in the World son, right? What would make Soccer, and not boxing for ex, the most popular sport in the World?

You bring up baseball, baseball is older than the NFL. If the popularity of a sport is related to the longevity of it, why isn't baseball more popular than the NFL in the States?

True, boxing is just as accesible and cheaper than even soccer (just two people fighting will do).

I just go back to what I said about people growing up with it. That's why soccer is more popular than handball.

[midnightpulp]

You're comparing technical difficulty to physical exertion. Technically, hitting is more difficult. So is billiards. So is this:



Not sure how it'd be as physically taxing as having to generate huge amounts of force to counteract another huge force coming at you though. Or having to be agile enough on top of it to deal with speed rushes. Maybe in middle school it wasn't taxing but I'd imagine at a higher level you'd get crushed playing the line.

More on this point. Batting and throwing are physically demanding because of the athleticism required to be able to throw fast and hit balls with exit velocities that would challenge MLB defenses. I've already told you (points which you have completely ignored) that the shoulder joints in pitchers (and presumably fielders when they're throwing at max) move faster than joints of the other athletes in other sports, including Olympic sprinters. And the simple action of throwing a baseball at max puts about 1.5 as much force on the UCL as a regular human should be able to handle. It's not all down to technique. I don't care how long you practice, you won't hit a ball 400 feet nor throw a ball 90mph because you simply lack the natural athleticism to do so. And in addition to that, the average speed on the basepaths this season is 19.5. Faster than floptrot player Robben ran during that world cup sprint.

Meanwhile, club bowlers bowl 300s all the time at advanced ages (50 and over). They can flirt with eliteness, even if they're not consistent enough to be professionals. And many club bowlers are just average Joes. You ain't flirting with baseball eliteness, no matter hard you train from now on.

Do you know the force you have to generate to hit a baseball 400 feet? About 3500 pounds. You act like baseball players just show up at spring training after doing nothing all off-season. The weight training required to build up that core strength is as intensive as any other major sport.



And he can crank it up to 21mph in the outfield. Faster than your boy Ronaldo He can also throw 93mph and hit for power.

For my money, Giancarlo Stanton is probably the best overall athlete in ball sports. 6'5", 260lb, 21.5mph sprint speed, 35" vertical, 95mph arm strength, and hits baseballs with exit velocities over 120mph, which probably translates into a generation of 5000lb of force.

And his advanced metrics rank him the 150th best player in the league, proving how hard this sport is. So easy to dominate basketball and NFL skill positions through pure athleticism. Can't do that in baseball. Simply a much harder sport.

[midnightpulp]

Oh.

A force approaching 8,000 pounds is required to change the motion of a 5-ounce baseball traveling 90 miles per hour into a 110-mile-per-hour shot over the center-field fence. The bat – in this case swung at nearly 80 m.p.h. – moves only about one inch in the 1,000th of a second that the bat is in contact with the pitched ball. The ball collides with the bat at a combined speed (bat plus ball) of about 140 miles per hour. The impact flattens the ball to about one-half its 3-inch diameter. (The bat is flattened, too, but only by about 1/50th.) The ball compresses like a spring and rebounds off of the bat².

"It's comparable to darts and bowling. It's not physically demanding. Just technically difficult"

Probably the stupidest comment I've ever read here, including comments from Lakers fans.

[Caltex2]

Let soccer fans like what they like. We wouldn't like the games we like if we didn't grow up with them either.

[DAF86]

Ortiz has been clocked at 16.4 mph this season. Duncan probably hasn't ran that fast in 10 years. Ortiz wins the 100m and 400m. Ortiz destroys Duncan in the throwing events. Both can't jump for , so hurdles, high jump, and long jump are probably a wash. Maybe Duncan edges him, but not enough to make up the advantage Ortiz has in the throwing events. Duncan wins the 1500. Both ain't doing the pole vault, so 0 points there.

I mean, have you actually watched Duncan in the past 5 years (rhetorical question). Constantly gets his shot blocked inside because he can't jump 12" to dunk most of the time (yes, I know he has a few dunks. 4 over 61 games last season ). He runs the floor nicely for a big, but his run speed is still slow by average standards. I would bet his top speed is below 16mph.

"But it's different!"

Yeah, no. Your crew just dislikes baseball because it's not a cookie cutter goal sport with running and jumping every 10 seconds to keep you "entertained." Doesn't make the sport any less athletically demanding. That extra 1mph of sprint speed trained up for can be the difference between a win and a loss.



Fastest player in college baseball. 6.1 60 yard dash. For comparison, Carl Lewis won a world le in the 60 yard with a 6.13 time.

And this kid needs to train for throwing, fielding, and hitting, as well.

"Not athletically demanding."

You guys are so full of , it's amusing.

So much delusion.