Tony: "I Want to Play 5 More Years with the Spurs"

[K...]

Now TP is better than Duncan..

In 2012

[Play Boban]

Of course Tony wants to stay five more years. How many more players' marriages can he destroy? First Brent, then Timmy...who's next?

[Snaq O'Meal]

The 2007 finals is like watching the Lord of the Rings. While the ranger, elf and wizard did all the heavy lifting against formidable foes, the hobbit walked away with the MVP after overcoming a little scrub.

[look_at_g_shred]

Ugh forreal though? Tony you've done enough man!

[SASdynasty!]

Now TP is better than Duncan..

He was in many years, which is why he was an All-Star when Duncan wasn't, All-NBA when Duncan wasn't, and finished higher than Duncan in MVP voting multiple times. 2011 was Duncan's worst payoff run outside of 2016.

[SASdynasty!]

The 2007 finals is like watching the Lord of the Rings. While the ranger, elf and wizard did all the heavy lifting against formidable foes, the hobbit walked away with the MVP after overcoming a little scrub.

So in your analogy, who were the 3 guys better than Parker in 2007?

Let me help you out:

2007 Regular Season:

Tim Duncan: 20/11/3 on 55%
Tony Parker: 19/6/3 on 52%
Manu Ginobili: 17/4/4 on 46%
Michael Finley: 9/3/1 on 41%

2007 Playoffs:

Tim Duncan: 22/12/3 on 52%
Tony Parker: 21/6/3 on 48%
Manu Ginobili: 17/6/4 on 40%
Michael Finley: 11/3/3 on 41%

2007 Finals:

Tony Parker: 25/5/3 on 57%
Tim Duncan: 18/12/4 on 45% (Duncan dipped quite a bit in the Finals)
Manu Ginobili: 18/6/3 on 37% (wow)
Bruce Bowen: 6/6/1 on 30% (haha)

In reality, the rest of the team played really bad in the Finals. Thankfully Parker outplayed Lebron bad enough to where it didn't become a series.

So yet another case of a false narrative. Wow, you guys are really good at coming up with new ways to express fiction. Also, that would have been a great analogy if there were 3 players that carried the load in 2007. Too bad it was Duncan and Parker that did that job as usual.

[TheGreatYacht]

I know the Kiwi s ain't talking about playoff shortcomings do we really have to go into that..... rofl

As for Manure , your boy has given away championships as easy as his turnovers. He's also gotten outplayed by scrubs from the likes of Austin Rivers to Dion Butters. He's on the outside of the Top 5 Spurs behind Duncan, Robinson, Parker, Gervin, and Bowen. Only the third worlders believe he's up there with them tbh

[Play Boban]

I know the Kiwi s ain't talking about playoff shortcomings do we really have to go into that..... rofl

As for Manure , your boy has given away championships as easy as his turnovers. He's also gotten outplayed by scrubs from the likes of Austin Rivers to Dion Butters. He's on the outside of the Top 5 Spurs behind Duncan, Robinson, Parker, Gervin, and Bowen. Only the third worlders believe he's up there with them tbh

Bowen a top 5 Spur? I don't know, man.

[kaji157]

Hey Kaji, thanks for sharing. Might Gobert be too high on that list? Yea, Patty and Manu are not that high in that list and Tony at 81 is abysmal.

It´s not really a ranking, but a projection of the advanced stat that mentions.
Yet it is strange as Manu always did very well in advanced stats.
Tony was historically weak in advanced stats, but that fall is also a cause of concern.

[SASdynasty!]

It´s not really a ranking, but a projection of the advanced stat that mentions.
Yet it is strange as Manu always did very well in advanced stats.
Tony was historically weak in advanced stats, but that fall is also a cause of concern.

Which advanced stats? There are dozens.

[kaji157]

Which advanced stats? There are dozens.

WARP

[HarlemHeat37]

WARP

To be fair, advanced metrics hate Parker's game, tbh, so it's a little unfair to judge him with that criteria..he generally ranks poorly in virtually all relevant advanced metrics in relation to his peers and perception..

For example, the metrics say that he was a distant 3rd during the 2007 playoff run:

PER(a stat that generally undervalues PG play, particularly pass-first PGs)-
Duncan 27.4
Ginobili 21.9
Parker 18.7

TS%
Ginobil 55.9
Duncan 55.6
Parker 52.3

WS
Duncan 3.3
Ginobili 2.6
Parker 1.6

WS/48
Duncan .214
Ginobili .204
Parker .100

BPM
Duncan 7.2
Ginobili 6.3
Parker 0.5

VORP
Duncan 1.7
Ginobili 1.3
Parker 0.5

RAPM(season + playoffs)
Duncan 8.8(#1 in the league)
Ginobili 7.2(#3 in the league behind Lebron and Duncan)
Parker 1.6(top 50ish)

They also imply that Parker had the 2nd least impact on the team during the 2014 le run, too..while he didn't have a good playoff run outside of a few games, it's unfair to say that he had the 2nd least impact among rotation players IMO..

[HarlemHeat37]

As for Parker playing 5 more years, it obviously isn't ideal..he's currently a very difficult player to utilize, as he's virtually useless without the ball, and he only shoots uncontested 3s from the corners, which is unheard of for a PG throughout the history of the league(part of the reason he's difficult to have on the court, right now)..he needs to be a high-usage player to be effective, unfortunately..

He had a great start to the season, the 2nd best on the team IMO, but was a disaster from January to April..TP could thrive in a more limited role, but that may not be a possibility, as the alternatives for offensive QB are scarce..

The front office hasn't done the team any favors, re: Parker and Ginobili's playing time..Parker shouldn't be playing more than 20 MPG and Ginobili shouldn't see more than 15 MPG, but they are the only 2 natural playmakers on the team, at this point..you don't see many players at Kawhi's position running the offense, Aldridge is a black hole, Mills is a limited ball-handler for his position, Green can't dribble, etc..I suppose Kyle Anderson could emerge, but that's far from a given..

[AZK619]

Tony Parker has had a blessed career, a good career and I'm thankful for what he's done on the court for the Spurs.

However, he's overrated.

In the years Spurs realistically contended for a le, Parker has came up short again and again.

03' he won a ring but couldn't handle competing vs. Kidd and Speedy saved his ass.

04' vs. LA, Tony the bed after game 2 for 4 straight games vs. Payton.

05' He won a ring, but he rode Manu on steroids and TD. Parker was average at best that playoff run, nothing special.

06' Devin Harris. Need I say more?

07' Cherry picked the MVP from Duncan -- who was the MVP for the Suns series and the whole playoff run. Parker benefited and stat padded vs. the matchup he had against Boobie Gibson for 4 games. His Finals MVP doesn't mean much.

08- 10' Spurs were transitioning and didn't have a shot at a le.

11' Mike Conley ate him alive in the 1st round.

12' TP disappeared after game 2 vs. OKC much like the Lakers series in 04'.

13' Went 6 for 23 in game 6 of the Finals and went 3 for 12 in game 7.

14' Greatest Spurs team ever, yes Parker won a ring, but he wasn't a big reason why they won it. He ranked in the bottom half of the team in just about every advanced metric that year.

15' He had a 14' hangover and came into the year 10 pounds over weight. Never improved physically and he the bed the entire 2nd half of the season.

Parker will go down as the best PG in team history but that's not saying much at all. In all honesty, his career would have been like Deron Williams career if it wasn't for TD and Manu.

Any Parker fan boy can point to his PPG all they want, but he doesn't hold Manu or TDs jock in my eyes. Manu and TD are, and forever will be, legends of not just the Spurs but the game of basketball. Parker is, and forever will be, below that.

An atomic bomb

[bklynspursfan]

Yes, because we certainly haven't been contenders for the last 14 years he's been with us.

Some of you guys are listening to the Porker Club too much. I get that he's not the player he used to be, but it really amazes me that one of the Spurs greatest players gets so much hate around here.

I know... people are super ignorant and immature it's amazing. He's a serviceable PG. If he can continue to improve on his jump shot it'll help him and the team even more.

[Seventyniner]

Congrats on your cherry picking expo.

Parker sucks on the playoffs because he's short. Every offensive pg known has had similar experiences. Teams packed the paint and sometimes this team has shooters to get eat open shots, sometimes they didn't forcing tp to have to freelance.

I mean it's not like he didn't eat regular season minutes "but the playoffs are all the matters" yes for all time greats. No for mid tier stars.

It's ok to be a player fan. You're not alone there. But don't make one sided arguments and believe you hit a truth nuke.

The best response I've seen yet.

[tholdren]

5 is pushing it, but he wasn't statistically his worst, and rang a couple of times when he had worse playoff stats than last year. He shouldn't be the player SA defers to, but he's not TOing it a great speeds. His defense is bad, but there are not any great all round pgs in the league.

[CGD]

Good by me if that also involves transitioning to a bench role over time and a next/final contract that makes sense.

[Birn]

Good with me. He deserves another contract with the Spurs. Probably will do what TD did and take a cap friendly deal that allows the spurs to remain compe ive in free agency. To all the Parker haters, we're you also critical of TD as his career was declining these last few years?

[dabom]

Good with me. He deserves another contract with the Spurs. Probably will do what TD did and take a cap friendly deal that allows the spurs to remain compe ive in free agency. To all the Parker haters, we're you also critical of TD as his career was declining these last few years?

Tim Duncan has been great in the playoffs these last years. He has one down year and he retires.

Yeah, not even close.

[Play Boban]

When Tony retires, he's taking Pop's wife back with him to France.

[SAGirl]

As for Parker playing 5 more years, it obviously isn't ideal..he's currently a very difficult player to utilize, as he's virtually useless without the ball, and he only shoots uncontested 3s from the corners, which is unheard of for a PG throughout the history of the league(part of the reason he's difficult to have on the court, right now)..he needs to be a high-usage player to be effective, unfortunately..

He had a great start to the season, the 2nd best on the team IMO, but was a disaster from January to April..TP could thrive in a more limited role, but that may not be a possibility, as the alternatives for offensive QB are scarce..

The front office hasn't done the team any favors, re: Parker and Ginobili's playing time..Parker shouldn't be playing more than 20 MPG and Ginobili shouldn't see more than 15 MPG, but they are the only 2 natural playmakers on the team, at this point..you don't see many players at Kawhi's position running the offense, Aldridge is a black hole, Mills is a limited ball-handler for his position, Green can't dribble, etc..I suppose Kyle Anderson could emerge, but that's far from a given..

Agree with you there. It's something I observed too. Passive Tony doesn't help win games. He needs to contribute scoring and set ppl for good shots (not end of shot clock, "save a possession pls heaves"). He's still important.

As for Kyle, I have been high on him since b4 he was drafted. He's special. Not that he's the savior or anything, but bc he's a natural playmaker and contributes a bunch of stuff that goes unnoticed by many here and taken for granted just bc he was the 5th option any time he was in the court. He can do more and Spurs probably needed him to do more even last season. Enough said.

[gambit1990]

Coming off the bench in favor of who exactly? Don't disagree that he needs to adjust his game and defer more often to Kawhi and LMA, but he's the best PG option on the team currently...and it's not close.

i disagree. some people here say they're against starting murray or mills because neither of them are true PGs... tony never was either!

murray and mills won't ever have a problem of not deferring to kawhi and lma enough tbh.

[james evans]

Thegreatyacht and SASDynasty I have a question for the 2 of you and it's simple. If you were the spurs gm right now and you had to get rid of either Leonard or Parker tomorrow, which one of those guys are you letting go. Just a simple answer will do. No need to explain your answer. I just want to see you type "parker" for clarification that you're mentally incompetent to hold a serious discussion so I can never respond to you 2 again. That's all. Nothing personal.

[J_Paco]

i disagree. some people here say they're against starting murray or mills because neither of them are true PGs... tony never was either!

murray and mills won't ever have a problem of not deferring to kawhi and lma enough tbh.

Why do you speak in absolutes? You don't know what either would do since they aren't placed in the position.

And even if Tony isn't a "PG" - which he clearly is - his feel for the game, ball handling and ability to run an offense is much, much better than Mills (undersized SG) and Murray (chucking, combo guard ala Jamal Crawford).

No one on the roster is fit to take his spot, yet. They gotta add that player soon and Tony should be willing to take an even lesser role. That'll be the only way he can play 5 more seasons, IMO.