2016-17 Training Camp Thread

[BillMc]

Oh you are right.
Thanks for bringing me back down to earth BillMc!!!

Not trying to be the party pooper. It's definitely a good sign.

[cutewizard]

Nice to see Timmy in there....

its a pipe dream but i want Duncan back at some point, perhaps he feels better around the rodeo rt time?

hmmmmm

[cutewizard]

my new favorite Spur, aside from "Jon Snow" Kawhi Leonard and Lamarcus, is Pau Gasol

this is definitely the best frontline in the NBA in my opinion......

[YGWHI]

It's funny because what I remember of last Open Scrimmage Game was Kawhi being so dominant in the post against Danny and then Kyle...

These Danny Green's player fans.... They have a weird view of almost everything.

[SAGirl]

Indeed. It's actually crazy that Parker has likely set a record in the common era for the longest a player has gone without ever reaching free agency. His contract will take him through 17 seasons, and he's actually eligible to reup in June. I have some beef when it comes to Tony's salary and all that, but it would be awesome to see someone make it 20 years without ever having a deal expire.

About the contract years thing: even Kyle is on one. He's playing to get his contract option picked up for 17-18 (his 4th season) by the end of October. I have no doubt it will get picked up but it's not like he could have leisurely showed up out of shape the way Lee did last season in Boston, refused to go to summer league on his 3rd season (he could have by CBA rights, but to what effect when he wants to get his option picked up?) and he had to show progress in shooting or whatever it was Pop wanted. With the arrival of Bertans, and J.Simms possible improvement, it's not like he has arrived by any stretch of the imagination. Even Lee wants to kick his butt. It's actually good to have that kind of pressure. Some guys only get up if they have that kind of pressure, not saying Kyle is one, I think he's innately compe ive, but there are the Diaw's of the world for example.

[YGWHI]

My guess, they were testing different backup SF candidates that could start if Leonard is injured. Kyle has gotten that job if Kawhi has been injured and backed up Kawhi guarding Durant. It's a way for him to continue to get better. It's a good way to test Garino too, who was also in black and defense is his calling card.

Also, it's a way to play more Parker with Pau and LMA without Kawhi's offensive presence/interference, it's vital to Spurs' success that those pick and rolls with Pau begin to flow...

[SAGirl]

It's funny because what I remember of last Open Scrimmage Game was Kawhi being so dominant in the post against Danny and then Kyle...

These Danny Green's player fans.... They have a weird view of almost everything.

I didn't see the prior scrimmage so I stear clear from that. I think the test was more for the small ball bench TBH. If they don't survive with Kawhi there as a small ball 4, Pop has to think it won't work with Bertans or Kyle. It was a test for their bigs to guard a small ball team that is athletic too. It's always a good learning experience for Kyle to defend elite talent as Kawhi is. He's definitely a still improving player. He's got to be able to do his thing against good defenders too.

[SAGirl]

Also, it's a way to play more Parker with Pau and LMA without Kawhi's offensive presence/interference, it's vital to Spurs' success that those pick and rolls with Pau begin to flow...

I guess on offense it's definitely possible. If Kyle ends up with an open 3 has to take it, as Garino. All around I think the coaches learned a lot from that (Kyle and Garino shooting and defense as well).

[Chinook]

I didn't see the prior scrimmage so I stear clear from that. I think the test was more for the small ball bench TBH. If they don't survive with Kawhi there as a small ball 4, Pop has to think it won't work with Bertans or Kyle. It was a test for their bigs to guard a small ball team that is athletic too. It's always a good learning experience for Kyle to defend elite talent as Kawhi is. He's definitely a still improving player. He's got to be able to do his thing against good defenders too.

I do wonder if there's a place to see it. As I said, it was really fun. Y's a crazy homer who doesn't understand that "going at each other" means both players did well but that Green played above his head while Kawhi has actually had better games since then. "Kawhi dominated in the post" isn't a headline. "Green taking step-backs over the future DPOY" is.

[tonight...you]

I do wonder if there's a place to see it. As I said, it was really fun. Y's a crazy homer who doesn't understand that "going at each other" means both players did well but that Green played above his head while Kawhi has actually had better games since then. "Kawhi dominated in the post" isn't a headline. "Green taking step-backs over the future DPOY" is.

I'm certainly curious now... If anyone is able to find a link, I'd love to see it.

[cutewizard]

People do realize that the Gasol signing was so huge, the timing was perfect. If Duncan retired and Spurs signed nobody to fill that void, the Spurs could be looking at struggling to make the 8th spot in the West with the team currently constructed. Gasol isn't replacing Tim, you can't, he is just filling the void.

Spurs have potential to be either the #1 seed or the #3rd now.

Pau is gonna have a great season, he seems motivated.

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agree with you

[SAGirl]

I do wonder if there's a place to see it. As I said, it was really fun. Y's a crazy homer who doesn't understand that "going at each other" means both players did well but that Green played above his head while Kawhi has actually had better games since then. "Kawhi dominated in the post" isn't a headline. "Green taking step-backs over the future DPOY" is.

I repect Y a lot. Not that different from me and my crazy fandom with Kyle except I am more crazy bc Kawhi is a genuine star. Y is also not a troll and Kawhi gets too much here for being one of the best players in the league.

If you do find a way to see it, I'd watch it, but I probably have to guard my heart to see Kyle's early suckage. He has improved a lot.

[YGWHI]

I guess another alternative would be to bring up Murray or Lapro to play backup PG and let manu play backup SG... perhaps that's some of the thinking in loading up with backup PGs. But Manu won't play many minutes.

Because Patty will play SF in that scenario?

Mills probably provides more points and play more minutes this new season, there are a lot of new guys in adaptation process + Parker/Manu aging.

[tonight...you]

Because Patty will play SF in that scenario?

Mills probably provides more points and play more minutes this new season, there are a lot of new guys in adaptation process + Parker/Manu aging.

I am hoping Patty and his new-found physique brings him much success for this team this year. They're going to need it.

[YGWHI]

I'm certainly curious now... If anyone is able to find a link, I'd love to see it.

There is a link but it was more about fans and some excitation for the new guys

http://www.nba.com/spurs/open-scrimmage-recap/

[tonight...you]

There is a link but it was more about fans and some excitation for the new guys

http://www.nba.com/spurs/open-scrimmage-recap/

Thanks and duly noted.

[YGWHI]

I repect Y a lot. Not that different from me and my crazy fandom with Kyle except I am more crazy bc Kawhi is a genuine star. Y is also not a troll and Kawhi gets too much here for being one of the best players in the league.

If you do find a way to see it, I'd watch it, but I probably have to guard my heart to see Kyle's early suckage. He has improved a lot.

Or Chinnok for Danny.

Or many others for Parker...

It's fine AND fun.

Because we're FANS. Not objetive people or journalists, we're Spurs fans with different favorite players. That's all.

[SAGirl]

Or Chinnok for Danny.

Or many others for Parker...

It's fine AND fun.

Because we're FANS. Not objetive people or journalists, we're Spurs fans with different favorite players. That's all.

Love my spurs. This is exactly the spirit!!!

[tonight...you]

Or Chinnok for Danny.

Or many others for Parker...

It's fine AND fun.

Because we're FANS. Not objetive people or journalists, we're Spurs fans with different favorite players. That's all.

Yeah, that vid was tough to glean much from that, but much appreciated anyway.

[ElNono]

Simmons just came from the d-league. And he had just come into legit money after struggling (?) to make ends meet for his kids. I doubt Simmons was upset by being told he was going to get paid to go back to where he had spent two years and play in a place he was comfortable. Again, I've never said he was some asshole with no life perspective. His mental weakness is all the more shocking when it's compared to what he's had to do to make it this far. Anyway, the bottom of the barrel is a poor description for the d-league when discussing fringe players. Green in his first year probably had nothing against going to Austin. Green now would upset. Big difference.

How is it mentally weak to stick to what you like and try to make it despite the odds or the struggles? If anything, that's exactly the opposite of weak. And completely disagree that bottom of the barrel is a poor description. It's simply a realistic description, that fits perfectly well with the fact that fringe players are closer to the bottom than the top of a professional's career. Danny actually did get cut and has commented how he had to change his at ude to get another shot and eventually make it to the top. I don't think Simms is that far from that same reality (I mean the cut part), and I certainly think that's pretty far away from "coddling".

This isn't remotely true. Being the 13th man and on the bench is not particularly good for a young player. Being in Austin is much better for development. That's why Boban went. It had nothing to do with the Spurs thinking they'd need to cut him. I think you're letting the McCallum experience incorrectly inform your reasoning. Murray will see plenty of time in Austin, and the Spurs will likely not be thinking anything but good things about him.

I admit sometimes it might be from a development perspective on very young talent, but from a professional perspective, no way. There are certain exceptions (to an extent), like Boban (and De Colo, etc) where they went there for very short stints to just get some reps and were called back up right away. But even in those cases, we're talking about guys that were simply not good enough to break into even the backup rotation (for whatever reason you want to assign to it, and they had their chances). Now it is true that the Spurs are very particular about that whole situation, and are far from being representative of the league as a whole. Generally speaking though, there's really no mystery about whether a player would rather be the 13th man on an NBA roster or a frequent D-League player. That doesn't mean I disagree with your Murray assessment, but let's also agree that the Spurs operate in a very particular way, and Murray would much rather be on the main team (despite of what might be perceived as best for him).

I've said repeatedly that I don't think Simmons is a Spur next year. It just doesn't make economic sense unless the team is over the cap (or if Simmons takes a huge leap forward and becomes worth the opportunity cost). So in that regard, I totally agree it's a make-or-break year. But I don't think it's an unusual or even a bad situation to be in. Unless you're Tony Parker, everyone has contract years.

I'm rooting for him because we need penetrators, and he's that kind of guy, but he's too flawed in other areas, and I've not seen improvement during SL, as I commented. Team wise, I think that's what we're really lacking, and none of Patty, Garino, Lapro will help you fix that, and Manu and Tony are just too old to bring that on the regular anymore.

EDIT: sorry if I was too verbose... wouldn't want tonight...you upset, tbh

[tonight...you]

How is it mentally weak to stick to what you like and try to make it despite the odds or the struggles? If anything, that's exactly the opposite of weak. And completely disagree that bottom of the barrel is a poor description. It's simply a realistic description, that fits perfectly well with the fact that fringe players are closer to the bottom than the top of a professional's career. Danny actually did get cut and has commented how he had to change his at ude to get another shot and eventually make it to the top. I don't think Simms is that far from that same reality (I mean the cut part), and I certainly think that's pretty far away from "coddling".



I admit sometimes it might be from a development perspective on very young talent, but from a professional perspective, no way. There are certain exceptions (to an extent), like Boban (and De Colo, etc) where they went there for very short stints to just get some reps and were called back up right away. But even in those cases, we're talking about guys that were simply not good enough to break into even the backup rotation (for whatever reason you want to assign to it, and they had their chances). Now it is true that the Spurs are very particular about that whole situation, and are far from being representative of the league as a whole. Generally speaking though, there's really no mystery about whether a player would rather be the 13th man on an NBA roster or a frequent D-League player. That doesn't mean I disagree with your Murray assessment, but let's also agree that the Spurs operate in a very particular way, and Murray would much rather be on the main team (despite of what might be perceived as best for him).



I'm rooting for him because we need penetrators, and he's that kind of guy, but he's too flawed in other areas, and I've not seen improvement during SL, as I commented. Team wise, I think that's what we're really lacking, and none of Patty, Garino, Lapro will help you fix that, and Manu and Tony are just too old to bring that on the regular anymore.

EDIT: sorry if I was too verbose... wouldn't want tonight...you upset, tbh

I'm not going to count the verbiage, right now, but you were entirely too verbose, young man! Time to learn the word "concise", class...

[ElNono]

Because Patty will play SF in that scenario?

Mills probably provides more points and play more minutes this new season, there are a lot of new guys in adaptation process + Parker/Manu aging.

As I mentioned in my previous post, the Spurs are lacking penetrators. It's not that I hate Patty, I actually love him, but he's strictly pretty much a shooter.

[tonight...you]

As I mentioned in my previous post, the Spurs are lacking penetrators. It's not that I hate Patty, I actually love him, but he's strictly pretty much a shooter.

My question is: why hasn't the developmental team been on Patty for movement off-ball and having him working on penetration and decision-making from it?
Either they've been doing it and he's incapable, or there's a gap in development amongst the entirety of the assets on the court.

If he's incapable... he's not worth a contract of significance from this team, moving forward.

[ElNono]

My question is: why hasn't the developmental team been on Patty for movement off-ball and having him working on penetration and decision-making from it?
Either they've been doing it and he's incapable, or there's a gap in development amongst the entirety of the assets on the court.

If he's incapable... he's not worth a contract of significance from this team, moving forward.

I don't think he's capable, tbh, but considering the cap and everything else, he's on a very reasonable deal, for a guy that not that long ago was shooting lights out.

But, as Chinook said, everybody has contract years, and this is Patty's year to show his worth.

[dabom]

My question is: why hasn't the developmental team been on Patty for movement off-ball and having him working on penetration and decision-making from it?
Either they've been doing it and he's incapable, or there's a gap in development amongst the entirety of the assets on the court.

If he's incapable... he's not worth a contract of significance from this team, moving forward.

You're wrong. He shoots anything at a high clip in the playoffs. Known commodity. You never get rid of that.