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    As I mentioned in my previous post, the Spurs are lacking penetrators. It's not that I hate Patty, I actually love him, but he's strictly pretty much a shooter.
    Simms has the natural athleticism but he's a big question mark.

    Murray won't get minutes over Patty.

    Laprovittola doesn't seem able to penetrate against NBA defenders

    You're right, the Spurs are lacking penetrators.

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    Nobody is being coddled, imo.


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    Did Bonner get a camp invite anywhere else? Is the Red Mamba headed to Red China? Or is he retiring?

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    Did Bonner get a camp invite anywhere else? Is the Red Mamba headed to Red China? Or is he retiring?
    Man I haven't heard a word on him. Thinking he might not be playing this year.

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    Did Bonner get a camp invite anywhere else? Is the Red Mamba headed to Red China? Or is he retiring?
    did somebody check on him?

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    Did Bonner get a camp invite anywhere else? Is the Red Mamba headed to Red China? Or is he retiring?
    In my tweet feeds I have seen he's working out and was hoping for a camp invite from anyone. His agent has been calling but "chirp" crickets. He still doesn't want to retire.

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    I'm rooting for him because we need penetrators, and he's that kind of guy, but he's too flawed in other areas, and I've not seen improvement during SL, as I commented. Team wise, I think that's what we're really lacking, and none of Patty, Garino, Lapro will help you fix that, and Manu and Tony are just too old to bring that on the regular anymore.

    EDIT: sorry if I was too verbose... wouldn't want tonight...you upset, tbh
    I completely skipped the mental aspect of your post bc do think he's been coddled or sheltered or whatever you want to call it, but I will just agree to disagree. I think Chinook has made a good point and he's right on some things.

    For the rest, good post. I am rooting for him for the same reason. Like Pop said I definitely think that the team is better if he pulls through than if he doesn't. I like Murray too for the same reason and I think Murray can be even better. He simply does things Simms doesn't. He rebounds at a high rate for a guard and forces a lot of TO with his length. He reminds me of the havok Russ Westbrook is capable of causing. But Dijon is inefficient and has to fix his shot realistically among other things, so I don't know. It's too early and I only have RC opinions pulling for his picks to go by so I am giving him time. (Way to go embellishing guys, RC!! Lol)

    J.Simms ideal spot is Manu Ginobili's. That's the bottom line. He doesn't really space the floor for others bc he turns down too many perimeter shots and his slashing is the skill Manu used to bring. He shot well on limited attempts but he's not going to be Gary Nealesque or Belinelliesque. That's not his game. He doesn't even play off the ball like Marco does. He's good timing cuts and finishing lobs off post players bc they help off him so often and he's very athletic, but I guess that's not how the bench is playing anymore (off post players). He's a question mark as far as I am concerned mostly bc he hasn't shown to be solid yet, but I am hopeful. In PATFO we are trust I guess.

    How Pop mixes them all is a question mark too but coach is vouching for him so he will get a lot of chances. I don't know what to think. I think he will not be that different from last season the problem is that he was so up and down. If he could really limit his mistakes that is really all he needs to be mire solid. Defensively they need him to be better too. He has to take the most athletic bench guys and not leave those to Manu for example. Realistically, Manu has to spot up more and play off others more this season if you want to see Simms (or others) getting into the paint.
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    I completely skipped the mental aspect of your post bc do think he's been coddled or sheltered or whatever you want to call it, but I will just agree to disagree. I think Chinook has made a good point and he's right on some things.

    For the rest, good post. I am rooting for him for the same reason. Like Pop said I definitely think that the team is better if he pulls through than if he doesn't. I like Murray too for the same reason and I think Murray can be even better. He simply does things Simms doesn't. He rebounds at a high rate for a guard and forces a lot of TO with his length. He reminds me of the havok Russ Westbrook is capable of causing. But Dijon is inefficient and has to fix his shot realistically among other things, so I don't know. It's too early and I only have RC opinions pulling for his picks to go by so I am giving him time. (Way to go embellishing guys, RC!! Lol)

    J.Simms ideal spot is Manu Ginobili's. That's the bottom line. He doesn't really space the floor for others bc he turns down too many perimeter shots and his slashing is the skill Manu used to bring. He shot well on limited attempts but he's not going to be Gary Nealesque or Belinelliesque. That's not his game. He doesn't even play off the ball like Marco does. He's good timing cuts and finishing lobs off post players bc they help off him so often and he's very athletic, but I guess that's not how the bench is playing anymore (off post players). He's a question mark as far as I am concerned mostly bc he hasn't shown to be solid yet, but I am hopeful. In PATFO we are trust I guess.

    How Pop mixes them all is a question mark too but coach is vouching for him so he will get a lot of chances. I don't know what to think. I think he will not be that different from last season the problem is that he was so up and down. If he could really limit his mistakes that is really all he needs to be mire solid. Defensively they need him to be better too. He has to take the most athletic bench guys and not leave those to Manu for example. Realistically, Manu has to spot up more and play off others more this season if you want to see Simms (or others) getting into the paint.
    I agree here that Muray is at this time an inefficient player in offense. He's got talent, but I doubt the lightbulb will instantly switch on for him this season.

    Furthermore, we have guys like Anderson, Simmons and Bertans that are all itching to prove they deserver more playing time. A very crowded situation.

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    Popovich said the early returns have been positive for Lee, who dropped 15 pounds from last season’s playing weight.

    “Just in these three practices, he’s been doing what we have seen him do (before),” Popovich said. “He’s a grown man. He understands how to play. He will be somebody who is important to our rotation, for sure.”
    http://www.expressnews.com/sports/sp...witter-premium

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    So with the Spurs waiving Richards, I wonder if they'll bring in someone else? I'm pretty sure he counts toward the Austin allotments, but without even seeing him in a game, I'm not sure the team would even want to use a spot for him.

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    If he can get his jump shot back, then he can totally be a factor off the bench. Hopefully the weight loss will help him defensively.

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    If he can get his jump shot back, then he can totally be a factor off the bench. Hopefully the weight loss will help him defensively.
    Agreed... With Chip there, maybe he can help him get it back.

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    My question is: why hasn't the developmental team been on Patty for movement off-ball and having him working on penetration and decision-making from it?
    Either they've been doing it and he's incapable, or there's a gap in development amongst the entirety of the assets on the court.

    If he's incapable... he's not worth a contract of significance from this team, moving forward.
    I think they had him work on his own PG skills but he's what? 28? This is what he is and as good as he's going to get. He's better suited to being a combo guard, a second guard, a shooting guard, however we want to call it, but not the main guard. He's a better gunner than he is a real PG.

    He was great with Manu while Manu was capable of being the main guard, but as Manu has started to play off the ball more, Pop started putting the ball in Patty's hands with mixed results. I think this season Pop will incorporate Kyle and J.Simms more bc they need them, and they can all help each other. Kyle has a lot more upside at this point as a playmaker and I expect him to keep getting better, but it's probably a team effort for now.

    I don't think he's capable, tbh, but considering the cap and everything else, he's on a very reasonable deal, for a guy that not that long ago was shooting lights out.

    But, as Chinook said, everybody has contract years, and this is Patty's year to show his worth.
    Agreed, but I think we all know what his strengths are by this point and they are unlikely to change as he's 28.

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    So with the Spurs waiving Richards, I wonder if they'll bring in someone else? I'm pretty sure he counts toward the Austin allotments, but without even seeing him in a game, I'm not sure the team would even want to use a spot for him.
    He had to be pretty terrible to be waived this early. Wow!

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    Specifically said the opposite:





    Actually said when he was a Toro:





    Yeah, that ignores the sucking before the praise part. Pop likes all of his players. They wouldn't be Spurs if he didn't. That doesn't mean he's constantly effusive about every deep-bench player.



    Couldn't care less, honestly.



    Do you mean Anderson or Green or Tony in this case?



    Oh, so you mean Kyle. Well anyway, that's plausible, but it's not probable. If that were the case, the Spurs would've drafted someone else or signed someone else to be ahead of him. You know, how you thought they were doing with Martin. But as we all know, that didn't work out. With Simmons they clearly did bring in other guys who look to either be in the rotation ahead of him or compete strongly with him for time.

    So basically you have nothing substantial to back up your take about Simmons being babied. You should have added some imo or some I think or I have the feeling instead of affirmative sentences that makes sense only for you

    Then not sure why you bring Martin, the fact that Simmons is a bust or not has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion

    From there, let us proceed

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    1-I didn't know the point of this thread was about me learning I post too much. Pretty sure I heard plenty of that when I started posting four years ago.
    2-Do you mean Culbby?
    1- that was not the point of his post either, you should read more carefully.
    2- yes thus the /Thread, kinda private joke with Tonite

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    In what way? Simms got bounced back to the D-League, we just learned he was basically told in the off season to clean up his game (or else). That's far from coddled and a lot closer to the Green treatment.
    welcome to the club

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    So basically you have nothing substantial to back up your take about Simmons being babied. You should have added some imo or some I think or I have the feeling instead of affirmative sentences that makes sense only for you

    Then not sure why you bring Martin, the fact that Simmons is a bust or not has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion

    From there, let us proceed
    I brought up my reasoning, which was supported by actual events. That doesn't make it ironclad. and it doesn't make it real. But almost everything we post here is of that nature. I shouldn't have to say this is just my opinion, and it's actually an extremely ty tactic to selectively whip that counter argument out. I think it's been since that awful Jimmer thread that someone tried using the "You don't know that for sure" retort. It was a nice respite.

    I brought up Martin because he s all over your example. It's clear that the Spurs didn't look to upgrade from Anderson, and it's clear that even when they brought in another player that Anderson's rotation spot wasn't under threat. There's a big difference between tossing one easily parried example and citing a long history of actions to support my point.

    Nono brought back a substantive argument -- one I feel is based on a misinterpretation of d-league assignments, but a substantive argument nonetheless. That was a lot better than trying to act like Pop wants to upgrade from Anderson but can't.

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    1- that was not the point of his post either, you should read more carefully.
    2- yes thus the /Thread, kinda private joke with Tonite
    I kinda brushed up with Thread again last night. I think he had an aneurysm and now he can only type one sentence over and over.
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    Ryan richards has already been cut. . Forcing his way into training camp really worked out for this mouth breather

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    I brought up my reasoning, which was supported by actual events. That doesn't make it ironclad. and it doesn't make it real. But almost everything we post here is of that nature. I shouldn't have to say this is just my opinion, and it's actually an extremely ty tactic to selectively whip that counter argument out. I think it's been since that awful Jimmer thread that someone tried using the "You don't know that for sure" retort. It was a nice respite.
    You indeed are interpreting events that you believe indicative of in function of your own bias or agendas... now not almost everything we post is of that nature, I'm sorry. When for one post an opinion I say it is an opinion.

    I brought up Martin because he s all over your example. It's clear that the Spurs didn't look to upgrade from Anderson, and it's clear that even when they brought in another player that Anderson's rotation spot wasn't under threat. There's a big difference between tossing one easily parried example and citing a long history of actions to support my point.
    I used an example just to show that your reasoning is as circunstancial as the one that would say Pop thinks Anderson sucks and does not know what to do with him (this is obviously not what I think). Therefore and again Martin has nothing to with this discussion. And I never said Simmons was brought to put Anderson under threat not sure where that come from... smh My only point is: this is dumb to say Simmons is coddled and your fertile imagination creating causality on a long list of events is not convincing anyone except SAGirl.

    Nono brought back a substantive argument -- one I feel is based on a misinterpretation of d-league assignments, but a substantive argument nonetheless. That was a lot better than trying to act like Pop wants to upgrade from Anderson but can't.
    Oh yeah the same argument I used 5 pages ago ? so when it is nono is a substantive argument when it is me or tonite it is not ? Finally you are full of crap with your accusation of me wanting Simmons to be a threat or me trying to act like Pop wants an upgrade but can't... this was an example to show you how imo absurd was your reasoning. If you took the time to read what people respond to you instead of jumping of their throat you would have figured it, you must be too busy thinking how smart your own opinion is than actually read.

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    seeing that picture is so weird... glad he joined the staff so quickly. if the players get a ring, so will he.

    i wonder how he'll feel after his body gets a year of rest.

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    I don't think he's capable, tbh, but considering the cap and everything else, he's on a very reasonable deal, for a guy that not that long ago was shooting lights out.

    But, as Chinook said, everybody has contract years, and this is Patty's year to show his worth.
    I've seen him get to the rim and finish when playing with Australia, so I don't get why he can't do it some in the NBA. I always thought it was his handles stopping him from being able to do it, but when playing with Australia they don't look that bad.

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    Ryan richards has already been cut. . Forcing his way into training camp really worked out for this mouth breather
    Never really knew him TBH. lol

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