2016-17 Training Camp Thread

[bklynspursfan]

I've seen him get to the rim and finish when playing with Australia, so I don't get why he can't do it some in the NBA. I always thought it was his handles stopping him from being able to do it, but when playing with Australia they don't look that bad.

I was thinking the same thing. I think he's fully capable of doing more with the ball, and think he probably will this year.

[BillMc]

Ryan richards has already been cut. . Forcing his way into training camp really worked out for this mouth breather

Just leaves a spot open for Bonner, tbh. Can't wait to see this site if it happens...

[SAGirl]

Just leaves a spot open for Bonner, tbh. Can't wait to see this site if it happens...

Garino fans will curse Pop for sure.

[ElNono]

I've seen him get to the rim and finish when playing with Australia, so I don't get why he can't do it some in the NBA. I always thought it was his handles stopping him from being able to do it, but when playing with Australia they don't look that bad.

Theres a number of reasons for that, IMO. Compe ion is one, not the same to attack the basket against unathletic bigs vs, say, DeAndre. Then, he has very solid bigs that are very good setting screens and opening lanes (Bogut especially, Baynes not bad either), but ultimately the biggest difference is that he's clearly a focal point there, so plays are largely designed for
him, and he probably doesn't need to contribute as much on defense since he's one of the primary options on offense on that team.

But the NBA is different in a lot of those aspects for Patty, including his role, compe ion, etc. Not gonna dog on him for having a down year shooting (same with Danny), but that's really his forte in the NBA and likely where he's more effective.

[rjv]

i tune in to see if i can get any behind the scenes info and instead i read a five page hermeuntical dissertation on the connotation of coddling. ST never changes.

[Chinook]

You indeed are interpreting events that you believe indicative of in function of your own bias or agendas... now not almost everything we post is of that nature, I'm sorry. When for one post an opinion I say it is an opinion.

Yes, almost everything we post is our opinion. I don't know if you think you just spout fact, but you don't. There's nothing wrong with having opinions, but it is odd that you don't know it.

[QUOTE]I used an example just to show that your reasoning is as circunstancial as the one that would say Pop thinks Anderson sucks and does not know what to do with him (this is obviously not what I think). [/QUOTE]

And I showed how that was a poor example, since they clearly keep playing him over other players.

Therefore and again Martin has nothing to with this discussion.

That's your opinion, apparently.

And I never said Simmons was brought to put Anderson under threat not sure where that come from... smh

No one said you said that. You did say that Martin put Anderson's rotation spot under threat. Many times. Very incorrectly. But it was just your opinion at the time, so that's fine. I guess you thought it was a fact though?

My only point is: this is dumb to say Simmons is coddled and your fertile imagination creating causality on a long list of events is not convincing anyone except SAGirl.

Who cares? We've had this exact same conversation before. This is one of those things where you and I agreeing is irrelevant, because we don't affect the outcome. So you're not convinced? I don't give a . I believe he is, and you shouldn't give a about that. What will happen with happen either way.

Oh yeah the same argument I used 5 pages ago ? so when it is nono is a substantive argument when it is me or tonite it is not ?

No, the d-league send-downs is a ty argument by itself. You may as well have used Simmons not starting as an example. But at least Nono backed it up and explained why he thought that. But especially for the Spurs, there's no evidence that sending a player to Austin is supposed to be or usually seen as a negative or controversial thing.

Finally you are full of crap with your accusation of me wanting Simmons to be a threat or me trying to act like Pop wants an upgrade but can't... this was an example to show you how imo absurd was your reasoning.

Nah, that's an example of you having an opinion but not knowing it for some reason. It's even worse because you've missed almost all of what I said. This isn't Simmons vs Anderson. Simmons isn't in the conversation with Anderson. Kyle's going to be here at least another year. Simmons has to fight for meaningful minutes. When you mess up something so badly, it's hard to think you have a thread at all. As of right now, all you've had to counter what I said is "d-league send-downs = being hard on him".

If you took the time to read what people respond to you instead of jumping of their throat you would have figured it, you must be too busy thinking how smart your own opinion is than actually read.

At least I know what the an opinion is. You aren't saying anything complicated, or hard. You are really just disagreeing with Simmons being coddled and then providing no counterpoint. I gave you about seven pieces of evidence. You can argue them (though saying "that's just your opinion isn't really a way to do it") but don't act like they don't exist, especially because they go beyond just last season.

[dabom]

Theres a number of reasons for that, IMO. Compe ion is one, not the same to attack the basket against unathletic bigs vs, say, DeAndre. Then, he has very solid bigs that are very good setting screens and opening lanes (Bogut especially, Baynes not bad either), but ultimately the biggest difference is that he's clearly a focal point there, so plays are largely designed for
him, and he probably doesn't need to contribute as much on defense since he's one of the primary options on offense on that team.

But the NBA is different in a lot of those aspects for Patty, including his role, compe ion, etc. Not gonna dog on him for having a down year shooting (same with Danny), but that's really his forte in the NBA and likely where he's more effective.

58TS% in the playoffs. That is his 2014 numbers.

[dabom]

I don't wanna own you on this false premise ElNono.

[bklynspursfan]

Manu on how long he wants to continue playing (Many assume this is his last year, but that may not be true)

[bklynspursfan]

Some guests in the house *Not mentioned in the tweet, Vinny Del Negro is also there

LMA on having Monty around again (Monty was an assistant under Nate McMillan with the Blazers for several of LMA's years there)

Pau practice

DG getting some shots up

[Brazil]

[QUOTE=Chinook;8735765]Yes, almost everything we post is our opinion. I don't know if you think you just spout fact, but you don't. There's nothing wrong with having opinions, but it is odd that you don't know it.[/QUOTE]

Nothing at all especially when you say well yes it is an opinion but you don't. you just throw stuff your arrogance left and right stating over and over your opinions as facts.

[QUOTE=Chinook;8735765]And I showed how that was a poor example, since they clearly keep playing him over other players. [/QUOTE]

No. you answered as if I was speaking literally and this was my opinion about what Pop thinks of Anderson.


[QUOTE=Chinook;8735765]That's your opinion, apparently.[/QUOTE]

No. That's a fact. Martin has nothing to do with this conversation, you brought this dude up into the conversation because you did not read.



[QUOTE=Chinook;8735765]No one said you said that. You did say that Martin put Anderson's rotation spot under threat. Many times. Very incorrectly. But it was just your opinion at the time, so that's fine. I guess you thought it was a fact though?[/QUOTE]

Nope. There was nothing incorrect in what I said. What was incorrect was to think Martin would do serviceable, for that I'm pretty sure I used plenty imo because it was well an opinion.

Who cares? We've had this exact same conversation before. This is one of those things where you and I agreeing is irrelevant, because we don't affect the outcome. So you're not convinced? I don't give a . I believe he is, and you shouldn't give a about that. What will happen with happen either way.

Now that's funny you don't give a but continues to reply with walls of texts ? that one is cute. Apparently you give a ton of of what I think or not.

No, the d-league send-downs is a ty argument by itself. You may as well have used Simmons not starting as an example. But at least Nono backed it up and explained why he thought that. But especially for the Spurs, there's no evidence that sending a player to Austin is supposed to be or usually seen as a negative or controversial thing.

I also explained why I was thinking that... in particular when I mentionned he was sent there for 24 hours. Sending a dude for 24 hours is pretty much harsh.

Nah, that's an example of you having an opinion but not knowing it for some reason. It's even worse because you've missed almost all of what I said. This isn't Simmons vs Anderson. Simmons isn't in the conversation with Anderson. Kyle's going to be here at least another year. Simmons has to fight for meaningful minutes. When you mess up something so badly, it's hard to think you have a thread at all. As of right now, all you've had to counter what I said is "d-league send-downs = being hard on him".

again you did not read

for the last part, because what you have about him not being benched after a bad play or Pop gave him a deal because he likes coddling Simmons is so much more powerful... give me a break about your precious opinion being backed up by nothing but unrelated events

At least I know what the an opinion is. You aren't saying anything complicated, or hard. You are really just disagreeing with Simmons being coddled and then providing no counterpoint. I gave you about seven pieces of evidence. You can argue them (though saying "that's just your opinion isn't really a way to do it") but don't act like they don't exist, especially because they go beyond just last season.

No you don't, you obviously don't. You don't have opinion, you know things.

I provided plenty of counterpoints. You gave list of events unrelated with each other, putting them together, stir it and tada... anderson is being treated harsh and Simmons is being coddled, that's your pieces of evidence ? give me a break...

Pop keeps Simmons on the floor when he makes a bad play because you know Pop prefers losing a game than hurting Simmons feelings. That's your piece of evidence.... dear god

Continue acting like they exist and I will continue acting like they don't. Also don't forget to not give a , unlike you I do because I continue answering your nonsense

[tonight...you]

[rastaspur]

Garino fans will curse Pop for sure.

Im not sure if garino is ready for a roster spot this year, but id rather have a project for the 15th spot as opposed to matt bonner.

[TimDunkem]

In before Chinook writes one of his ty novels in response to Brazil.

[Phenomanul]

seeing that picture is so weird... glad he joined the staff so quickly. if the players get a ring, so will he.

i wonder how he'll feel after his body gets a year of rest.

I remember Russell ringing as a Player/Coach... I wonder if today's league has rules against a coach suiting up for a game here and there.

[Chinook]

In before Chinook writes one of his ty novels in response to Brazil.

Pretty sure I've written multiple ones already. So you're too late.

[dabom]

Pretty sure I've written multiple ones already. So you're too late.

" ty novels". I'm glad you agree.

[bklynspursfan]

Manu & LMA talking about Pau fitting in

https://www.facebook.com/Spurs/video...3878013561981/


*Anyone let me know how to embed a FB video?

[Chinook]

Nothing at all especially when you say well yes it is an opinion but you don't. you just throw stuff your arrogance left and right stating over and over your opinions as facts.

That's literally just your opinion of what I'm doing. And that's no "In my opinion". Get off your damned high horse. I don't know about other languages, but in English, it's extremely common to not always lead with that phrase. In fact, the literally teach us in school to stop using that phrase in our English work.

https://preciseedit.wordpress.com/20...s-bad-writing/
https://www.englishclub.com/vocabula...g-opinions.htm

This isn't a stunt I'm pulling after the fact. It's something most people do and that you'll be called out for not doing depending on the context. I don't want to get into the linguistics of assertions and all that. But by you saying something that is debatable (especially if it has no discernible answer) you are asserting an opinion. You don't have to tell people that. They should already know.

No. you answered as if I was speaking literally and this was my opinion about what Pop thinks of Anderson.

Nah. I don't think you were actually arguing that. I was showing you how it is easy to attack poor arguments. My idea about Simmons is based on many things by this point, not some turn of phrase Pop used once or whatever.

I also explained why I was thinking that... in particular when I mentionned he was sent there for 24 hours. Sending a dude for 24 hours is pretty much harsh.

Then I apologize for not acknowledging that. You have to understand that I just don't agree with send-downs being bad in the first place. You can have your opinion, but I just think there's too much Spurs evidence of that not being harsh.

for the last part, because what you have about him not being benched after a bad play or Pop gave him a deal because he likes coddling Simmons is so much more powerful... give me a break about your precious opinion being backed up by nothing but unrelated events

It is more "powerful" because it's supported by unrelated events. It's not just one thing. It's EVERYTHING about how he and the Spurs organization have interacted.

No you don't, you obviously don't. You don't have opinion, you know things.

I do know what an opinion is.

I provided plenty of counterpoints. You gave list of events unrelated with each other, putting them together, stir it and tada... anderson is being treated harsh and Simmons is being coddled, that's your pieces of evidence ? give me a break...

That's not really a counterpoint, though. I'm not trying to prove anything, so who cares if the evidence is cir stantial? And I never said Anderson was treated really harshly.

Pop keeps Simmons on the floor when he makes a bad play because you know Pop prefers losing a game than hurting Simmons feelings. That's your piece of evidence.... dear god

I don't think he made a habit of having Simmons in the game during make-or-break moments. Anderson either. He usually doesn't take any player out in those situations in order to win. He does it to teach them, either through embarrassment or just actual instruction.

Continue acting like they exist and I will continue acting like they don't. Also don't forget to not give a , unlike you I do because I continue answering your nonsense

The "not giving a " means not letting it get to you in this case. Like I don't care that you don't agree. I don't think it makes to a dumb poster or a bad fan or whatever. You believe what you want, and I'll do the same, and we'll see what happens. That we disagree isn't a big deal and doesn't have to mean someone's a hater or a shill.

[Brazil]

In before Chinook writes one of his ty novels in response to Brazil.

[Brazil]

That's literally just your opinion of what I'm doing. And that's no "In my opinion". Get off your damned high horse. I don't know about other languages, but in English, it's extremely common to not always lead with that phrase. In fact, the literally teach us in school to stop using that phrase in our English work.

https://preciseedit.wordpress.com/20...s-bad-writing/
https://www.englishclub.com/vocabula...g-opinions.htm

This isn't a stunt I'm pulling after the fact. It's something most people do and that you'll be called out for not doing depending on the context. I don't want to get into the linguistics of assertions and all that. But by you saying something that is debatable (especially if it has no discernible answer) you are asserting an opinion. You don't have to tell people that. They should already know.

maybe you are not aware but it works the same in France or Brazil but thanks for the lessons

you are now in the obtuse business ? You don't always need to say imo or I think but using it once in a while does not hurt especially when said opinion is backed up by anything less than cir stancial pile of stuff.

Nah. I don't think you were actually arguing that. I was showing you how it is easy to attack poor arguments. My idea about Simmons is based on many things by this point, not some turn of phrase Pop used once or whatever.

That's your opinion, mine is that you are using arguments as poor as the ones I used in my example. You did not convince me otherwise at all.

Then I apologize for not acknowledging that. You have to understand that I just don't agree with send-downs being bad in the first place. You can have your opinion, but I just think there's too much Spurs evidence of that not being harsh.

Do tell that a Ian, he did think it was yes harsh to be sent to Austin for 1 or 2 days. At the end who cares if it is the normal Spurs way? Pop is treating journalists like crap, he does that all the time and journalists continue to not like it and find that harsh and rude. I'm pretty sure it's the same for a Spurs player, never fun to go to Austin for 24 hours. Try the "I was wrong" once in a while.

It is more "powerful" because it's supported by unrelated events. It's not just one thing. It's EVERYTHING about how he and the Spurs organization have interacted.

No it is the way you are interpreting unrelated events

I do know what an opinion is.

Except when you consider your opinion as a fact, it happens a lot.

That's not really a counterpoint, though. I'm not trying to prove anything, so who cares if the evidence is cir stantial? And I never said Anderson was treated really harshly.

I bet you don´t care, as for me, I do care if the evidence is cir stancial, that makes your take a vague opinion. On Anderson, you never said he was treated really harshly, you did compare his treatment vs. Simmons treatment and conclude one was being coddled.

I don't think he made a habit of having Simmons in the game during make-or-break moments. Anderson either. He usually doesn't take any player out in those situations in order to win. He does it to teach them, either through embarrassment or just actual instruction.

So I guess he does not want to teach Simmons because he let Simmons play even after a bad play ?

The "not giving a " means not letting it get to you in this case. Like I don't care that you don't agree. I don't think it makes to a dumb poster or a bad fan or whatever. You believe what you want, and I'll do the same, and we'll see what happens. That we disagree isn't a big deal and doesn't have to mean someone's a hater or a shill.

Like saying imo or I'm wrong isn't a big deal either.

Nothing will happen tho that will influence the outcome of this discussion.

[BatManu20]

[objective]

Why even bother with this awful 'coddling' stuff? You guys should know his act by now.

[tonight...you]

Why even bother with this awful 'coddling' stuff? You guys should know his act by now.

Yeah... I let it ride when I saw things going nowhere. Brazil is keeping the flame lit like the People's Champ though.

[SAGirl]

Manu & LMA talking about Pau fitting in

https://www.facebook.com/Spurs/video...3878013561981/


*Anyone let me know how to embed a FB video?

I don't think you can, but I am technically challenged. If anyone knows I'd like to learn too.
Thanks for sharing by the way.