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Lol, Terrell Brandon. Chris Paul ahead of Magic. Isaiah at the bottom. Jimmy Jones! Hahahaha!
Just another case for the garbage nature of advanced stats.
uhhhh, that's what we've been arguing with YOU for years!!!
Lol, Terrell Brandon. Chris Paul ahead of Magic. Isaiah at the bottom. Jimmy Jones! Hahahaha!
Just another case for the garbage nature of advanced stats.
Last edited by SASdynasty!; 10-04-2016 at 07:09 AM.
Of course you take a FMVP and 4x champion over arguably the greatest career choke artist in basketball history.so you, sasdynasty, and thegreatyacht would take parker over cp3. got it. you're in good company
PGs with at least a FMVP & 4 championships:
1. Magic Johnson
2. Tony Parker
All-time leading playoff scoring PGs:
1. Tony Parker
2. Magic Johnson
Winningest NBA players of all-time (minimum 1000 games):
1. Tony Parker
Pretty sure Stockton couldn't have done 42/15/7 as a backup center.Cos Stockton couldn't figure out how to feed the ball to Kareem in the post....
No you haven't. I pointed this out years ago.
I swear.
I'll tell you what he would've done; established a solid pick n' roll with Worthy that Magic didn't do.
Solid enough to lose in the Finals?
Taylor Swift got a banner in Staples before your team did.
Stockton was a better passer, shooter, defender...... Sounds better to me.
Not by me. It's obviously a significant award, but I've always maintained that it's foolish. I'm not "selective and biased with my praise"; I tell it like it is.
Virtually every stat, advanced and counting, indicates Parker was the 3rd best player on the '07 team. He was definitely vital in sweeping the '07 Finals and deserved MVP for that series, though.
He may have been the "main key cog offensively on the '14 championship team", but he was still probably the fourth best player on balance and definitely not in the top 2.
Pgs with a regular season mvp and 5 or more championships
Cousy
Magic
Is this you?
Is this you?
lol sure he was.
Once again, in your opinion.
I wholeheartedly disagree on both opinions. Parker was the second best player in '07 and the best player in '14, although Ginobili and Duncan weren't too far behind him in those respective seasons.
His flaws and limitations were obvious and sometimes glaring, but they are at times severly overstated. He was still an above average and against certain matchups good defender in '07, led the team in assists, second in points, was voted to the all-star team, but was somehow not better than Ginobili? Yeah, believe that nonsense if you want to.
Don't need to even go over '14 since he was the only dependable/consistent scorer on the team that season. He had reached his apex the season prior and was clearly beginning to decline, but no way were anyone of Duncan, Ginobili, Green or Splitter better than him. The argument can be made for Kawhi, although I would disagree, but the rest of them were essentially role players. Parker was still a top 10 PG in '14.
Anyway, the original statement of the Parker hater was that Tony "only won as a 'third' option" which is in tself a lie. Parker has won three championships as the 2nd option and one as the 1st option on offense. So, he was factually incorrect and then you ran with what I said and changed the argument more or less.
Last edited by J_Paco; 10-04-2016 at 11:37 PM.
Worthy was still at Carolina during 1980 when that finals occurred. And Wothy didn't need a pick n roll. You just give him the ball and let him go. Especially on the fast break. The celtics found out in 88.
Last edited by james evans; 10-05-2016 at 12:48 AM.
Parker being the best player in 07' and 14'?
My goodness.
Top 20. He should thank Tim and Manu.
IMO, if you look at raw numbers, he's top 10... he's played in the league for too long, and he's done well. I can't compare with players in the 60's-70's, tbh... just from the 80's onwards.
Obviously, the fact that he's played with prime Duncan and Ginobili will always be an asterisk. He's the only member of the big 3 that didn't ring during his own statistical peak (08-13). And he was certainly fortunate that TD, Gino and Kawhi saved the 2014 season, on a playoff run where he was mired with injuries for the second time in a row. But only Spurfans that watched the games really know and remember the nitty-gritty, tbh.
People down the line will just look at the numbers, and it's undeniable that his longevity and general durability until the tail end of his career, along with a solid program and obviously his innate talent as a scorer has allowed him to put solid numbers.
Guys like Nash were fun to watch, but I doubt he had the kind of compe ive spirit that pushes you to stare down a teammate. That's a compe or's look, IMO.
I've been mostly reading up, a lot of people bring good points, and obviously threads like this never settle anything, but personally I think history will be kind to Tony, and all of the big 3, actually. Now that TD is gone, gotta enjoy the other two while they're still around.
Nice list, I'll take Finals Dwayne Wade over CP3 every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Haha thanks Manu for shooting 37% in 2007. And thanks for having the worst game of your career in G6 in 2013. And also thanks for your amazing defensive plays in 04 & 06.
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