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    Porker's going to run him off, tbh. Just like he's run off all his other backups who outplay him on the regular.
    Do you post anything without talking about Parker?

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    Not that that's necessarily a bad trade, but it would place even more of a creative burden on Ginobili and McLemore can't defend point guards.
    I'm not sure how McLemore couldn't defend PGs better than Patty.

    McLemore was actually a solid defender when Mike Malone was the Kings coach. He looks like Danny compared to Simmons who was the guy Pop tried to use in the CoJo "defensive stopper" role when Patty was getting abused.

    Mills and Ginobill should cross match versus the Warriors, so Mills can be safely hid on Clark/McCaw.
    The cross-match strategy doesn't work so well when the other team is playing 7-seconds-of-less. (the Bowen/Nash & Danny/Curry crossmatches worked well b/c Nash/Curry were also checking Bowen/Danny on the other end)

    If Rivers persists as a problem, they could do the same versus the Clippers. Crawford is physically weaker and more of a jump shooter.
    Pop tried that switch in Gm 7 & Crawford flambeed Patty although Manu slowed down Rivers.

    In any case, if Patty gets moved then it's going to be around the trade deadline depending on how Pop feels about Leprosy being a rotation player. Beno got minutes in the Finals as a wet-behind-the-ears rookie, Leprosy can't do any worse as a vet.
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    I'm not sure how McLemore couldn't defend PGs better than Patty.

    McLemore was actually a solid defender when Mike Malone was the Kings coach. He looks like Danny compared to Simmons who was the guy Pop tried to use in the CoJo "defensive stopper" role when Patty was getting abused.



    The cross-match strategy doesn't work so well when the other team is playing 7-seconds-of-less. (the Bowen/Nash & Danny/Curry crossmatches worked well b/c Nash/Curry were also checking Bowen/Danny on the other end)



    Pop tried that switch in Gm 7 & Crawford flambeed Patty although Manu slowed down Rivers.
    Flambeaux
    that was hilarious.

    Patty defense on Crawford featured as No. 6 here:

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    Fathead didn't get a minute that playoffs.

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    I'm not sure how McLemore couldn't defend PGs better than Patty.

    McLemore was actually a solid defender when Mike Malone was the Kings coach. He looks like Danny compared to Simmons who was the guy Pop tried to use in the CoJo "defensive stopper" role when Patty was getting abused.



    The cross-match strategy doesn't work so well when the other team is playing 7-seconds-of-less. (the Bowen/Nash & Danny/Curry crossmatches worked well b/c Nash/Curry were also checking Bowen/Danny on the other end)



    Pop tried that switch in Gm 7 & Crawford flambeed Patty although Manu slowed down Rivers.

    In any case, if Patty gets moved then it's going to be around the trade deadline depending on how Pop feels about Leprosy being a rotation player. Beno got minutes in the Finals as a wet-behind-the-ears rookie, Leprosy can't do any worse as a vet.
    My guess is that PATFO hold on to Patty and let him walk at season's end. I would bet McLemore is not even on their radar. Spurs will target, land and overpay G Hill. ST will turn on him halfway through next season, and then there will be 2 point guards over which posters can melt down.

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    My guess is that PATFO hold on to Patty and let him walk at season's end. I would bet McLemore is not even on their radar. Spurs will target, land and overpay G Hill. ST will turn on him halfway through next season, and then there will be 2 point guards over which posters can melt down.
    Solid take.

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    It just seems like the Spurs are intent on applying big bandages (not really band aids) and in a year or two the team may need a tourniquet. I know that's not the Spurs' Way, but I wish they were more aggressive, more proactive in their personnel moves.

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    I can see him fit in Philly with their passer forwards and Brett Brown.
    Ha! They already took a shot at it with Manu, I can't imagine Spurs matching their offer the second time around. It will be sad to see Mills go

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    It just seems like the Spurs are intent on applying big bandages (not really band aids) and in a year or two the team may need a tourniquet. I know that's not the Spurs' Way, but I wish they were more aggressive, more proactive in their personnel moves.
    Maybe. They have added talent in FA (LMA and Pau), but they need at least a couple of their young guys to pan out, and another addition. (When I am optimistic I think at least 3 of their youngster draft picks will pan out, but we shall see, Kyle has to show up this season, Bertans has to show to be durable against physical compe ion, then it's just too soon for Murray and Milutinov).

    The tradeable guys are Tony and Manu, they don't even correspond with the timing of the new generation, but you know Pop is not trading those two. If anything Pop is using them to set the tone and help out the youngsters and try to establish a bridge between eras. Beyond them, the guys they could trade they need this season and the youngsters they have are on very cheap contracts. It's not worth it to trade them. Simmons is not worth much on his own and if he were to turn into a player, you'd want to keep him. They have to stand pat or blow it up (like trade LMA or other big assets blow it up). It's possible Mills can have trade value to contenders about half way through the season when they get desperate, even if it's a rental but right now, we might be speculating about his trade value but bc he's a FA this offseason and he's already saying he's going to look around, why trade for him?

    Nah, Spurs stand pat. Then FA is anyone's guess. I said solid take bc I see a bit of CoJo in Mills' story. Maybe the Spurs know that and that is why Lapro is here (on top of Murray, and Forbes)... One can kind of sense they know they will need guard depth again and are getting ready.

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    Ha! They already took a shot at it with Manu, I can't imagine Spurs matching their offer the second time around. It will be sad to see Mills go
    Mills appears to be at a stage where he's looking for a paycheck and well deserved, but also a bigger role.

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    My guess is that PATFO hold on to Patty and let him walk at season's end. I would bet McLemore is not even on their radar. Spurs will target, land and overpay G Hill. ST will turn on him halfway through next season, and then there will be 2 point guards over which posters can melt down.
    The era when Porker/Hill were the two headed monsters at PG is referred to as the "Dark Ages".

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    Maybe. They have added talent in FA (LMA and Pau), but they need at least a couple of their young guys to pan out, and another addition. (When I am optimistic I think at least 3 of their youngster draft picks will pan out, but we shall see, Kyle has to show up this season, Bertans has to show to be durable against physical compe ion, then it's just too soon for Murray and Milutinov).

    The tradeable guys are Tony and Manu, they don't even correspond with the timing of the new generation, but you know Pop is not trading those two. If anything Pop is using them to set the tone and help out the youngsters and try to establish a bridge between eras. Beyond them, the guys they could trade they need this season and the youngsters they have are on very cheap contracts. It's not worth it to trade them. Simmons is not worth much on his own and if he were to turn into a player, you'd want to keep him. They have to stand pat or blow it up (like trade LMA or other big assets blow it up). It's possible Mills can have trade value to contenders about half way through the season when they get desperate, even if it's a rental but right now, we might be speculating about his trade value but bc he's a FA this offseason and he's already saying he's going to look around, why trade for him?

    Nah, Spurs stand pat. Then FA is anyone's guess. I said solid take bc I see a bit of CoJo in Mills' story. Maybe the Spurs know that and that is why Lapro is here (on top of Murray, and Forbes)... One can kind of sense they know they will need guard depth again and are getting ready.
    The problem is that, because of the timing you mention, KAWHI is going to end up being the bridge - IF he re-ups after a couple years on a pretender. You know that I am not a big fan of LMA. I think the Spurs went after a big fish because he was obtainable - without much regard for how he would fit on the floor or in the locker room. I would have much preferred that the Spurs spend the cap space they spent on LMA on a couple of good, younger pieces to go with Kawhi. (Consciously or not, I think the team has hurt its future in a Quixotic quest to win one last ring for Timmy.) Pau came two years too late. He, too is a big bandage. The team will not trade Tony or Manu, and I doubt it will be proactive with Patty who is the other obvious player with some value. As long as that is the team's approach, it will not have the cap space to do anything very meaningful in free agency, and it will not make any meaningful trades. Kawhi will age several years before the Spurs will possibly be contenders again. Btw, trading LMA would not be "blowing up" anything! A player of his marquee name and ability will most surely fetch a very valuable piece or two in return. Big, bold moves are not the same as "blowing up" a pretender.

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    Mills appears to be at a stage where he's looking for a paycheck and well deserved, but also a bigger role.
    I just hope the Spurs give him that starting PG spot for the next two to three years.

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    This is most likely unless Parker just finally takes the back seat. Parker goes in, Warriors cut 8 points off the league, bring back Mills, Spurs increase the lead by 10. I appreciate Parker as a Spurs fan, but what he had going for him was his speed and that's gone. Now he is nothing more than a backup PG now. And this is not the first time this has happen to a player who relied most on his athleticism to make great plays.

    Parker just hasn't evolved his game enough to warrant being the Spurs starting PG after this season. Mills should be resigned and name the starter IMO.

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