Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.

[TheGreatYacht]

Philly wanted Manure right? Trade him for Nerlens

[SAGirl]

It seems to me like Pop is going to retire when Porker's contract runs out so he doesn't want anything to do w/ player development. He's just going to keep signing vets & let them figure out the system on the fly while they play rotation minutes.

He's leaving the player development to Messina it looks like to me.

[dabom]

Throwing you a bone. How is messing in charge of player development?

[YGWHI]

There is no heartbeat player.

"It all sounds poetic and dramatic but" a leader can't make Parker/Manu younger, or turn Simms into Harden...Neither Tim could.

We can write 100 pages about if Danny, if Gasol, if Bertans...OP's right. Role players won't fix the lack of elite playmakers and guards who every contender has.

And Pop wasn't willing to fix it in the offseaon. In fact, he exacerbated the problem.

[spurraider21]

as much as i love him, manu shoulda retired if he didnt have anything left in the tank. if he's just going to be a spot up shooter, we coulda found better replacements for 15 mil

[Kawhitstorm]

And I have liked MVPau in other aspects... his passing, his shooting, he's had a lot of impact on offense... but clearly, he's not being fully utilized either when the team is playing small (as we have seen) and the Spurs don't have a single elite playmaking guard. I think Simmons is trying to be that. He's a some good games and has been making good decisions for others, but obviously he cannot be your best playmaking guard if you are the Spurs.

If the Mavs aren't set on tanking then I would offer Pau/Fat Head for Bogut/Barea. The Mavs need bodies & a couple of frontcourt players, Pau can put up empty stats to keep the Cuban entertained while Carlisle could get the best out of Fat Head.

As far as the Spurs, Bogut would give them 20 minutes of quality interior defense & Barea would easily be the best penetrator on the team....outside of the bedroom.

[ElNono]

as much as i love him, manu shoulda retired if he didnt have anything left in the tank. if he's just going to be a spot up shooter, we coulda found better replacements for 15 mil

I thought he actually played pretty decent tonight... at least it looked like he cared. We really didn't have $15m for a replacement, tbh... it was more like $5m...

[Kawhitstorm]

I thought he actually played pretty decent tonight... at least it looked like he cared. We really didn't have $15m for a replacement, tbh... it was more like $5m...

Trade his ass to the Suns, I heard they have been coveting him since the Nash days. Hopefully, he gets deported.

Bledsoe for Manure:

[ElNono]

Trade his ass to the Suns, I heard they have been coveting him since the Nash days. Hopefully, he gets deported.

Bledsoe for Manure:

Bledsoe is a cancer, tbh... I'll take Devin Booker + Len...

[Austin_Toros]

Patty House: Great shooter, but massively undersized at 5'10" (he ain't 6 feet)..

I once stood next to Patty and can confirm this is true.

[kaji157]

The truth is that the "rotation" is not our problem, our problem relies on the inconsistency of the starters (Tony and Danny).
If you look at the league average, that´s where we are at fault, our starting backcourt giving us very little, in almost all aspects.
Combined, Tony and Danny are giving us 18.4 points, 6.8 assists, 5.4 rebounds in 52.9 minutes. While shooting a combined 42% from the floor and 42% from 3.
That is way under league average in almost everything but 3pt%.

Our primary backups (Manu and Patty) are not the same case, they are having an average year maye by league averages, but not bad.
Combined they are giving us 18.6 points, 5.6 assists, 4.8 rebounds in 42.5 minutes. Shooting 44% from the floor and 40% from 3.
That´s quite average for a backup role.

As said, the problem we have is that our subs usually "compensated" for the Starters, Manu cannot do this anymore, and he should not be expected to, so our starters get exposed for what they really bring. (Little)

[Chinook]

I imagine that the starters for other teams play more than 53mpg. And that the bench plays less than 43. I don't know what it would look like if you did per-36 stats, but that makes a big difference when comparing Spurs players to other teams. No question the back court isn't elite or even very good offensively, though.

[SpursforSix]

I rank it as category, " ty".

[MVPCues]

While TP is up and down and he's shown much more than Manu and that's with Manu barley playing and getting rest days. Manu has fallen off the cliff to start the year.

I think Manu fell off the cliff prior to this year...he is just still falling....tall cliff.

[Phenomanul]

The truth is that the "rotation" is not our problem, our problem relies on the inconsistency of the starters (Tony and Danny).
If you look at the league average, that´s where we are at fault, our starting backcourt giving us very little, in almost all aspects.
Combined, Tony and Danny are giving us 18.4 points, 6.8 assists, 5.4 rebounds in 52.9 minutes. While shooting a combined 42% from the floor and 42% from 3.
That is way under league average in almost everything but 3pt%.

Our primary backups (Manu and Patty) are not the same case, they are having an average year maye by league averages, but not bad.
Combined they are giving us 18.6 points, 5.6 assists, 4.8 rebounds in 42.5 minutes. Shooting 44% from the floor and 40% from 3.
That´s quite average for a backup role.

As said, the problem we have is that our subs usually "compensated" for the Starters, Manu cannot do this anymore, and he should not be expected to, so our starters get exposed for what they really bring. (Little)

You're making too much sense... folks here don't like that...

[Kawhitstorm]

I imagine that the starters for other teams play more than 53mpg. And that the bench plays less than 43. I don't know what it would look like if you did per-36 stats, but that makes a big difference when comparing Spurs players to other teams. No question the back court isn't elite or even very good offensively, though.

I think we have seen what a below average backcourt will do to a team (Pelicans sans Jrue) or what kind of miracles an upgrade will do for a team (Jazz/Hill).

The Jazz are outscoring opponents by 27.2 points per 100 possessions with Gordon Hayward, George Hill and Rudy Gobert on the floor together. That trio has been limited to only 122 minutes due to injuries to Hayward and Hill, but Utah is 5-0 when its two leading scorers both play.

[Kawhitstorm]

Philly wanted Manure right? Trade him for Nerlens

[spursistan]

I was just checking the depth chart for all teams ( http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/depth-charts )it could be argued only Philly and the Bucks have a worse rotation and consistent production from the PG/SG position..

it is toss up between us and the Knicks or the Kings for 3rd worst back-court in the league ..

[Ice009]

I really don't see SA trading TP unless its a no-brainer foundation piece. Gay/Collison aren't that. I mean, I would easily do that trade value wise, but I don't see SA trading TP.

Didn't the Spurs trade the Iceman? So why can't they trade Tony Parker?

[Kawhitstorm]

I was just checking the depth chart for all teams (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/depth-charts); it could be argued only Philly and the Bucks have a worse rotation and consistent production from the PG/SG position..

it is toss up between us and the Knicks or the Kings for 3rd worst back-court in the league ..

The Bucks wouldn't be starting Snell if Middleton was healthy.

[spursistan]

The Bucks wouldn't be starting Snell if Middleton was healthy.

Yeah; totally forgot about Middleton..It is undoubtedly a bottom three back court in the league when every one is healthy..they should have really signed Felton instead Forbes/Lapro; the Clippers have a logjam with ball-dominant guards in their bench unit (Austin Rivers/Jamal/ Fatson sharing one ball )..

[AFMadison]

We are 14-4. It's okay guys.

[dabom]

We are 14-4. It's okay guys.

What, you don't like reactionary threads/posts? What kind of ing poster are ya? You sick bas .

[AFMadison]

What, you don't like reactionary threads/posts? What kind of ing poster are ya? You sick bas .

Someone's gotta balance out the forum tbh

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs guard rotation is pretty atrocious. Green and Mills are solid but one is clearly a backup and Simmons is too streaky and inconsistent imo, he has confidence issues for some reason. Then you have the corpses of Parker/Manu with some ty rookies and yeah, it looks like we have one of the worst backcourt rotations in the L