Kawhi "Carmelo" Leonard is now the most clutch regular season player

[TheGreatYacht]

Stop getting butt ed by Barnes/Roberson level scrubs as the 1st option in the playoffs before you can call yourself clutch

[Clipper Nation]

You're right. He's no Duncan or Parker

I said as the first option. Not as the 12th option being "guarded" by Boobie Gibson.

[SuperCam]

Their postseason accomplishments as the no. 1 option are right on par with each other also.

To be fair, Carmelo got his team to the conference finals as the first option a few years go, so he's actually done more

[benefactor]

Stop getting butt ed by Barnes/Roberson level scrubs as the 1st option in the playoffs before you can call yourself clutch

Also the face of a man who doesn't own a bunch of cats tbh

[Joseph Kony]

If he takes a shot at the buzzer, even if it's a contested 20-footer, the worst that could happen is OT. Road teams, especially weak road teams, look to go for the 3P to win - and Beal/Wall hadn't missed a 3-pointer between them. I'd much rather have the game come down to an OT at home, than a single shot.

It was a bad basketball decision to take that shot. The Spurs were fortunate.

you usually have solid takes but that i have to disagree with, he got a wide open shot, you take it. you don't give up a wide open lead taking shot in the final seconds because someone might hit a 3 pointer, than makes no sense tbh

[Play Boban]

Small sample size.

[Raven]

That last shot was with one foot inside the 3P line. If he took that at the buzzer, because that's all they could get, it would be one thing. He either makes it, or they go to OT. But to take a low-percentage shot with that much time left on the game clock, so that even if he makes it, they still have a chance to tie or win? That's not a good basketball decision. The shot went in, and that's what clutch is all about, I guess. But it's still a really bad basketball decision.

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[Clipper Nation]

Stop getting butt ed by Barnes/Roberson level scrubs as the 1st option in the playoffs before you can call yourself clutch

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[RD2191]

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[Kawhitstorm]

You can be like the idiot fan, who called Danny Green a choker after the 2012 playoff run, when in reality he just hit a dry spell shooters go through in basketball. He's one of the best spot up shooters, Spurs have ever had and that's why in 2013 and 2014 playoff runs, his shooting percentages increased to the mean after a tough 2012 skid. Then all of a sudden a lot of idiots like yourself were saying how clutch he now was. Soon after, in the 2015 run, Danny then went 12 for 40 from 3 vs. the Clippers and regressed to his mean after two years of shooting lights out. If there was such a thing of clutch then a player that has a "clutch gene" would perform way over their mean and come through time and time again. That is not the case. They'lll miss and make around their career averages.

I like how you left out 5 years of Horry ting the bed. For the Lakers in 01', 03', for the Spurs in 04', 06', 08' Horry shot below 30% EFG in those same minutes. If he was clutch or if clutch was a real thing, he would come through every year way above his career averages during regular season. That is not the case though because clutch isn't a real thing. It's the biggest myth in sports that idiots like you eat up year after year.

You mean to tell me a shooter in a slump maintained his level of play from the ENTIRE game/series.

Horry had an eFG of 50% in '01 during crunch time which is better than 90% of the league.



Horry was was in a horrible slump during '03....he basically maintained his level play during crunch time, he didn't shrink. He actually stepped up & took what was the biggest shot of the series (despite it rattling out) while other player such as Softridge would have been playing hot potatoes.

Danny is a one dimensional spot-up shooter who can't do anything if a defender is within 3ft of him. He was in a slump the ENTIRE series against the Cripples, it had nothing to do w/ him shrinking. If anything he stepped up in Gm 7 when someone like Peja would have been running away from the ball. Against OKC, he was basically a rookie & lost his composer under pressure.

There is no such thing as a biological "clutch gene", some players are able to stay composed under pressure & guys like Horry can focus more when the stakes are high.

[Kawhitstorm]

63.4% free throw shooter missed a free throw.

[Mikeanaro]

Dont call him ¨Carmelo¨ thats discouraging, tbh.

[Hoops Czar]

Melo has a championship and Finals MVP as the first option? Since when?

Neither of them have a championship and Finals MVP as the first option. Kawhi Leonard was the third option in 2013-14. Duncan should have been Finals MVP that year. Btw, it's worth noting that Kawhi Leonard is having his worst defensive season of his career and it isn't even close.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/5

I can't help but think Duncan's retirement might have had a little something to do with that. Damn, getting face- ed by Kevin Durant on defense has got to be a little bit of a humbling experience for the former DPOY (Should have been Tim too).

81st overall!! Give Kawhi the DPOY award right now!!


http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...ge/3/sort/DRPM

[Kawhitstorm]

Neither of them have a championship and Finals MVP as the first option. Kawhi Leonard was the third option in 2013-14. Duncan should have been Finals MVP that year. Btw, it's worth noting that Kawhi Leonard is having his worst defensive year of his career and it isn't even close.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/5

I can't help but think Duncan's retirement might have had a little something to do with that. Damn, getting face- ed by Kevin Durant on defense has got to be a little bit of a humbling experience for the former DPOY (Should have been Tim too).

81st overall!! Give Kawhi the DPOY award right now!!


http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...ge/3/sort/DRPM

If you think DRPM is legit & explain to me how Fat Head is the #1 ranked defender for his position: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/2

[Hoops Czar]

If you think DRPM is legit & explain to me how Fat Head is the #1 ranked defender for his position: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/2

DRPM isn't without its flaws but Kyle is a pretty decent one-on-one defender and a good rebounder for his position. I don't put a ton of stock in one defensive metric because it's impossible to separate team defense from individualized defense since basketball is a team sport and playing alongside bad defenders can cause one's individual defensive numbers to drop. but, I like to look at trends. Who would have funk it that a 39 year old Tim Duncan was still the key to the Spur's defense.

2013-14 ... 2.13
2014-15 ... 4.59
2015-16 ... 3.88
2016-17 ... 0.93

[MaNu4Tres]

You mean to tell me a shooter in a slump maintained his level of play from the ENTIRE game/series.

Horry had an eFG of 50% in '01 during crunch time which is better than 90% of the league.



Horry was was in a horrible slump during '03....he basically maintained his level play during crunch time, he didn't shrink. He actually stepped up & took what was the biggest shot of the series (despite it rattling out) while other player such as Softridge would have been playing hot potatoes.

Danny is a one dimensional spot-up shooter who can't do anything if a defender is within 3ft of him. He was in a slump the ENTIRE series against the Cripples, it had nothing to do w/ him shrinking. If anything he stepped up in Gm 7 when someone like Peja would have been running away from the ball. Against OKC, he was basically a rookie & lost his composer under pressure.

There is no such thing as a biological "clutch gene", some players are able to stay composed under pressure & guys like Horry can focus more when the stakes are high.

You obviously have different takes in many perspectives -- which is fine. But id be an idiot to sit here for hours all day to try to explain things over and over. What Im explaining has facts and substance behind it. Youre believing in things that cant be quantified and if you try to quantify it, you only bring up stats from certain years and ignoring the big picture and the yrs when a player the bed ( Horry for example).


Just agree to disagree. You can have your ficticious beliefs that players have a clutch gene, because thats what it means to say a player is clutch or not.

Youre a constant troll, who mistakes your subjective opinions as facts.

Carry on

[TD 21]

Lol It doesn't surprise me who made this thread.. tbh.. and he couldn't be more clueless.

There's no such thing as a clutch player. There's no such thing as a " clutch gene". Such a big myth that average fans eat up.

Players are who they are. Great players will have the ball in the hands late in the games, and in the long run (with a large sample size), the averages will be right around the season averages ( players are who they are). The percentages regress to the mean as the sample size increases. There's confidence, but there's not clutch. And every NBA player that's in the game late has confidence with the aspects they do well. Whether it be Steve Kerr shooting a 3, or Tony Parker driving in the lane. They've done it their whole career, and in the long run, they will miss some and make some, right around their averages if you're just patient enough to see the sample size grow.

Is Skip Bayless the OP?

How or why do people still believe clutch is a thing?

There's several articles that will make you feel stupid if you are like Skip Bayless and believe in clutch or a clutch gene. Please read any of these links.. these are just a few examples.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...ce-and-for-all

https://cornerthree.net/2014/03/10/does-clutch-exist/

http://www.sbnation.com/2014/1/8/528...d-random-chaos

Neither of them have a championship and Finals MVP as the first option. Kawhi Leonard was the third option in 2013-14. Duncan should have been Finals MVP that year. Btw, it's worth noting that Kawhi Leonard is having his worst defensive season of his career and it isn't even close.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/5

I can't help but think Duncan's retirement might have had a little something to do with that. Damn, getting face- ed by Kevin Durant on defense has got to be a little bit of a humbling experience for the former DPOY (Should have been Tim too).

81st overall!! Give Kawhi the DPOY award right now!!


http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...ge/3/sort/DRPM

I honestly reading these. The borderline arrogance, sarcasm and utter disdain and disgust at what you were both replying to was loud and clear . . . it reminded me of someone.

[Kawhitstorm]

You obviously have different takes in many perspectives -- which is fine. But id be an idiot to sit here for hours all day to try to explain things over and over. What Im explaining has facts and substance behind it. Youre believing in things that cant be quantified and if you try to quantify it, you only bring up stats from certain years and ignoring the big picture and the yrs when a player the bed ( Horry for example).


Just agree to disagree. You can have your ficticious beliefs that players have a clutch gene, because thats what it means to say a player is clutch or not.

Youre a constant troll, who mistakes your subjective opinions as facts.

Carry on

If you're are claiming there is no such thing as "composure" then I suggest you look into sport psychology. Asafa Powell was by far the best 100m Grand Prix runner before Bolt came onto the scene & has run under 10 second more than any sprinter in history but he NEVER won a Gold medal at ANY global championship race b/c the nerves got to him.

You jumped the shark assuming I was playing the dumb "clutch gene" theory & it blew up in your face:....and I'm the one being FIC IOUS b/c I presented verifiable STATS.

If you're are claiming that "crunch time" is subjective then I suggest you track when all 5 players ACTUALLY start playing defense for an ENTIRE possession & some players start playing hot potatoes. In any case, this is the definition used by most databases:

4th quarter or overtime, with less than five minutes remaining, and neither team ahead by more than five points

You'll get me next time cowboy, just keep your composure next time.

[Kawhitstorm]

DRPM isn't without its flaws but Kyle is a pretty decent one-on-one defender and a good rebounder for his position. I don't put a ton of stock in one defensive metric because it's impossible to separate team defense from individualized defense since basketball is a team sport and playing alongside bad defenders can cause one's individual defensive numbers to drop. but, I like to look at trends. Who would have funk it that a 39 year old Tim Duncan was still the key to the Spur's defense.

2013-14 ... 2.13
2014-15 ... 4.59
2015-16 ... 3.88
2016-17 ... 0.93

That's doesn't say anything about Kawhi in a vacuum.

The only variable that changed was Pau being swapped for Tim thus that basically tells you Pau sucks at playing help defense.
You can't change a variable & claim your controls are causing the effect, look up the scientific theory.

[Yuixafun]

If there are guys that fold under pressure, then the opposite is true... when the going get tough, the tough get going.

It's simple.

[Clipper Nation]

Neither of them have a championship and Finals MVP as the first option.

[Clipper Nation]

To be fair, Carmelo got his team to the conference finals as the first option a few years go, so he's actually done more

Chauncey carried him to it.

[Kawhitstorm]

Chauncey carried him to it.

Yeah, Billups destroyed Choke-P3 when the Nuggets annihilated the Hornets & handed them the worst loss in postseason history.



They lost to the Lakers b/c Fat Melo pulled a Softridge & disappeared when the going got tough. Dude was getting outplayed by JR Smith.

[TheDoctor]

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Embracing his roll . Porker is such a hypocrite. Guess who's the only one not cheering/rooting for Kawhi after his game winner vs Washington? Yup

[Kawhitstorm]

Career high 16pt in the 4th quarter

Wing-man Softridge