NBA: Could ST be wrong about Klay Thompson

[whitemamba]

When did I mention switching them on their respective teams? I asked you if you thought JJ Red would average 30 on a team since he's an elite shooter? You've implied that for that very reason Klay would average 30 PPG on a team.

I mentioned it , JJ is an elite shooter but that's it. Damn rob please read my don't make me kill myself, I said the reason klay could and probably would is because he can post up , he can dribble , and create his own shot , not like Stephan obviously but he can.

[313]

Spur fans defending Kawhi's low scoring numbers early in his career: " He's playing alongside the Big 3, if he was the number one option he would score 40 a game"
Spur fans defending Kawhi's low scoring numbers now: " Well he's the number one option, you can't expect him to put up 60 like Klay"

Put Klay on those 2012, 2013 Spurs teams with Manu, Parker, and Tim sucking in the defense and he's feasting.

[Robz4000]

I mentioned it , JJ is an elite shooter but that's it. Damn rob please read my don't make me kill myself, I said the reason klay could and probably would is because he can post up , he can dribble , and create his own shot , not like Stephan obviously but he can.

Thompson can post up, yes, but he can't create his own shot. His ball-handling is pretty mediocre as well; not Danny Green bad but nowhere near well enough to penetrate a defense or create enough separation for a shot outside rising above a shorter defender. He doesn't have the proper skillset to be a #1 option, much less average 30 on any team (unless number of shots/usage rate doesn't matter).

[Robz4000]

Spur fans defending Kawhi's low scoring numbers early in his career: " He's playing alongside the Big 3, if he was the number one option he would score 40 a game"
Spur fans defending Kawhi's low scoring numbers now: " Well he's the number one option, you can't expect him to put up 60 like Klay"

Put Klay on those 2012, 2013 Spurs teams with Manu, Parker, and Tim sucking in the defense and he's feasting.

Of course he would, there's a reason LDN put up such ridiculous numbers from three in those seasons; put current Kawhi on those teams and he prolly averages 5-6 threes a game.

[DMC]

My fatass is bettwr cause I get to stuff my belly with 1st world fried chicken...Third world country

Oh FRIED chicken. Here I was about to call fowl.

[DMC]

Klay dropped 37 in a quarter, Kawhi has never scored 37 in a game

Why is it even a question who the better offensive player is? It's not like Kawhi is racking up assist as play maker either so I don't think it's even close.

I would take Kawhi over Klay though still, because of the better defense, and the strides Kawhi's made as a ball handler.

Easily take KL over KT. KT is a better scorer though. KL makes a bigger point differential which is what really matters.

[FkLA]

20 games in. I suppose your take is based on this year only then since KD had almost 20 FGA per game last year.

Uh yeah why wouldn't it be based on this year? You literally said if Kawhi was on a team with Steph and KD his scoring would go down too. Suggesting that's a reason Kawhi averages more points than Klaynus.

The old eyeball test. stats unless you can use them to support your stance like the "points off assists" red herring. Lol upstairs fodder.

What stat would like to use? All you've thrown out are career highs.

A take based on the eyeball test mentioned above. Get your got ass back upstairs and wait for me.

Amazing how someone can be so arrogant with such ty takes. outta here, seriously. As if you've provided anything other than he scored 60 to show that he's carried GS at any point.

[FkLA]

So take 4ppg from him. What's his average now?

Guarantee you he doesn't average 4 ppg directly off his defense. But let's assume he does. What then genius, he's a 'mediocre' 20 ppg scorer on 45/40/90 shooting?

[DMC]

Guarantee you he doesn't average 4 ppg directly off his defense. But let's assume he does. What then genius, he's a 'mediocre' 20 ppg scorer on 45/40/90 shooting?

20ppg

yay

[FkLA]

20ppg

yay

So mediocre, huh?

[FkLA]

Remember when Spurstalk self-proclaimed Danny to be the best 3 and D guy in the league? Good times. Wake me up when a Kawhi led team makes it past the 1st round of the playoffs (Memphis doesn't count).

ST was wrong about that one. Klaynus is the best 3&D guy in the league, tbh.

[DMC]

Uh yeah why wouldn't it be based on this year? You literally said if Kawhi was on a team with Steph and KD his scoring would go down too. Suggesting that's a reason Kawhi averages more points than Klaynus.

Then Klay was averaging almost 1 full point more than KL with about the same minutes played, almost the exact FT percentage and with KL getting a lot more of his points from the FT line. Creating those FT line shots, those moves.. at the FT line. All this and Klay was the 2nd option on his team.

What stat would like to use? All you've thrown out are career highs.

How about his offense got him past the Thunder. Can you say that about KL?

Amazing how someone can be so arrogant with such ty takes. outta here, seriously. As if you've provided anything other than he scored 60 to show that he's carried GS at any point.

You homering out with autistic takes because a 3rd option on another team took a hot wet on your head last night.

[DMC]

So mediocre, huh?

20ppg isn't world beating. Gordon Hayward is averaging almost 20ppg. Is he an elite scorer?

[FkLA]

Then Klay is averaging almost 1 full point more than KL with about the same minutes played, almost the exact FT percentage and with KL getting a lot more of his points from the FT line. Creating those FT line shots, those moves.. at the FT line. All this and Klay is the 3rd option on his team.

How is he averaging 1 more full point? Are you seriously pulling a number out of your ass that you think Kawhi averages due to his defense and subtracting it from his total?

Regarding the FT points. That's what happens when you consistently create your own shots and thus put pressure on defenses. Klaynus OTOH sits pretty and untouched at the three point line letting others create for him so it's no surprise he doesn't get to the line as often. That's the second time I've had to explain that to you btw. Try to pay attention so your stupidity isn't so apparent.

How about his offense got him past the Thunder. Can you say that about KL?

Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that GS has been a better team than the Spurs the past two years.

I also don't remember him winning back in the day when you claim he was the guy in GS.

You homering out with autistic takes because a 3rd option on another team took a hot wet on your head last night.

60 points yet only had the ball in his hands 88 seconds. If that ain't a glorified spot-up shooter I don't know what is.

There's video out there for you too if you want to see how he got all those shots off.

[FkLA]

20ppg isn't world beating. Gordon Hayward is averaging almost 20ppg. Is he an elite scorer?

Nah don't move the goalposts on me now. You said Kawhi is a mediocre offensive player without the points he gets off defense. Nobody said 20 ppg is elite but it sure as ain't mediocre either.

[DMC]

How is he averaging 1 more full point? Are you seriously pulling a number out of your ass that you think Kawhi averages due to his defense and subtracting it from his total?

Regarding the FT points. That's what happens when you consistently create your own shots and thus put pressure on defenses. Klaynus OTOH sits pretty and untouched at the three point line letting others create for him so it's no surprise he doesn't get to the line as often. That's the second time I've had to explain that to you btw. Try to pay attention so your stupidity isn't so apparent.



Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that GS has been a better team than the Spurs the past two years.

I also don't remember him winning back in the day when you claim he was the guy in GS.



60 points yet only had the ball in his hands 88 seconds. If that ain't a glorified spot-up shooter I don't know what is.

There's video out there for you too if you want to see how he got all those shots off.

I was referring to last year thus the reason I said 20 games in isn't enough to judge (I edited before you responded but you thought you had something lol)

60pts... ball in hand for 88 seconds - Klay

35 points ball in hand most of the night - Kawhi

So GS has been a better team but Klay had no part in it? Way to kick your own ass.

So Shaq consistently created his own shots? He was at the line all the time, same with dwert.

[DAF86]

Kawhi just put 31 effortless pts in 15 shots. That's better efficiency than 60 on 33, tbh.

Not to mention that he also played stellar D, distributed the ball, played point foward and created for others.

[DMC]

Nah don't move the goalposts on me now. You said Kawhi is a mediocre offensive player without the points he gets off defense. Nobody said 20 ppg is elite but it sure as ain't mediocre either.

What are the levels?

Low
Middle
Elite

Do you want more levels like
Low
Kinda low
Maybe low
Less than middle
Middle
more than middle
less than high
High
More than high
Less than elite
elite
More than elite?

Take your pick

I chose the first. Of scorers, KL is mediocre. Of NBA players, he's elite.

[DMC]

Kawhi just put 31 effortless pts in 15 shots. That's better efficiency than 60 on 33, tbh.

Not to mention that he also played stellar D, distributed the ball, played point foward and created for others.

He's a great player, elite. Still not a better scorer than Thompson but a better player without a doubt. 2 for 2 is more efficient than both. We'll give KL the popular vote.

[Robz4000]

What's with this perception that Thompson is a scorer? Dude is a shooter; deadly from anywhere inside the half court line, but he doesn't consistently score in a variety of ways.

DeCancer - Scorer
Butler - Scorer
Harden - Scorer


Thompson - Shooter
Allen - Shooter
Miller - Shooter

[lefty]

What's with this perception that Thompson is a scorer? Dude is a shooter; deadly from anywhere inside the half court line, but he doesn't consistently score in a variety of ways.

DeCancer - Scorer
Butler - Scorer
Harden - Scorer


Thompson - Shooter
Allen - Shooter
Miller - Shooter

Ray Allen was actually able to create his own shots

[Raven]

why is being better or worse than KL any relevant in being a superstar? I mean guys like derrick rose and carmelo anthony are still considered superstars even though they suck. KL is a generational talent and very much a top 2 player in the world. Klay is probably about #7. Sounds superstar to me, especially when you consider him and curry carry the nba brand currently.

[Robz4000]

why is being better or worse than KL any relevant in being a superstar? I mean guys like derrick rose and carmelo anthony are still considered superstars even though they suck. KL is a generational talent and very much a top 2 player in the world. Klay is probably about #7. Sounds superstar to me, especially when you consider him and curry carry the nba brand currently.

Thompson
Top 7 player
"is not a" between the two

[spurraider21]

Ray Allen was actually able to create his own shots

this. for some reason everybody just remembers boston ray allen

[benefactor]

this. for some reason everybody just remembers boston ray allen

Too young tbh. Dude was one of the best SG's in the league in his Sonics days.