2.5 million votes and counting

[monosylab1k]

Even if Bernie had beaten Hillary, and Trash, the Repugs control 2/3 of the states, and control, or have enough blocking ability, of Congress, to block all solutions and progress.

Even with Bernie as Pres and installing experienced, serious progressives in this cabinet, the House Repugs would have continued to hobble into dysfunctionality all the Depts (except HSA, Defense) by defunding them.

The structural case that America is now for a 200M people has been DECADES in the making, and will take decades to reverse.

America is fully a plutocratic oligarchy, not a democracy, and the Repugs have enough power to defend/maintain/expand that plutocratic oligarchy, which has many $10Bs (only a tiny fraction of it mind-boggling wealth) to pay the Repugs to keep it plutocratic oligarchy in power.

America is ed and un able.

1945 - 1975 was a historical anomaly.

America has now degenerated to the historical mean of super-wealthy oligarchy controlling, operating society for its own enrichment, while everybody else gets struggles for crumbs.

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you kidding? Superdelegates is how we keep crazies like Trump from running an all-white nationalist, all insulting campaign and actually winning it.

I think they ammended the superdelagates rule so only those in the primaries of each state can be a part of it. So if you win a certain state, you get those superdelagates instead of having a free for all.

We get it. You like your superdelegates. (and BTW, they can vote for whoever they want to no matter how the state votes) The popular vote doesn't matter to you. Glad you clarified that. Why do you keep posting about Hillary's popular vote then?

[boutons_deux]

"Superdelegates is how we keep ..." McGoverns and Carters and Sanders rrom being nominated.

[Reck]

We get it. You like your superdelegates. (and BTW, they can vote for whoever they want to no matter how the state votes) The popular vote doesn't matter to you. Glad you clarified that. Why do you keep posting about Hillary's popular vote then?

Is the oposite. I have been in favor of the popular vote over the EC for a long time. The latter is severely outdated and truly needs to go.

I'm just not whining about Hillary's lead being what it is. Fact is, Trump won based on what we have and that's what matters.

[pgardn]

Saying you don't have a choice is not the same as giving him a chance. That's like saying I'll give paying taxes a chance. What are my alternatives? If you mean you're going to reserve judgement until enough time has elapsed to get an accurate assessment of his performance, you've already made an assessment prior to his election. If on the other hand you mean you don't have a choice in the matter then you're not giving him a chance, you're just suc bing to the inevitable.

BS

Quit with the horrible logic. Of course I have made an assessment prior to him taking office. Everyone makes judgements about people the first time they meet them. From what I have to go on so far, he will not do much good for the country (BOLD THE I). As time goes by and he makes real decisions (since he has clearly just been completely trolling ; Mitch says) then we will all make our judgments. So now we wait and see how the next 4 years go and hope for the best.

Why try to make things so complicated in order to win an argument...

[pgardn]

Great video Mitch.
I loved how the timeline of events left out nothing.
Never seen anything that good.

I did find it humorous, if that helps the sore thumb.

[cd021]

Depends. There is a chance that he'll be a decent to good president.

Has the DNC gotten rid of the super delegates? If not, shouldn't you guys be out there protesting?

I would seriously doubt it, but who knows. If he turns out to be a good president then its a win but more likely his popularity is very low and by the time 2020 comes around, it will be an absolute dog fight for him to get reelected. He already has the lowest favorablity of any person who ran for president in the past 30 years, I don't think that will rise very much.

[Mitch]

I got notin, lemme break out the snark

[DMC]

BS

Quit with the horrible logic. Of course I have made an assessment prior to him taking office. Everyone makes judgements about people the first time they meet them. From what I have to go on so far, he will not do much good for the country (BOLD THE I). As time goes by and he makes real decisions (since he has clearly just been completely trolling ; Mitch says) then we will all make our judgments. So now we wait and see how the next 4 years go and hope for the best.

Why try to make things so complicated in order to win an argument...

You don't know whether to or go blind so you're hedging by carrying tissue and a cane.

[pgardn]

You don't know whether to or go blind so you're hedging by carrying tissue and a cane.

Did you make that up Rodney?

Like you know what kind of president we got. You are a typical hump the winner I got nothing.

[pgardn]

I got the hema roids

I feel funny now.

[Mitch]

[pgardn]

fun...

[ducks]

silver said this could easily happen
some people need to learn to follow the rules

[clambake]

you tell em ducks!

you earned it!

[DMC]

Didn't Hillary get more popular votes than Obama in the primaries in 2008? Why was no one threatening to change the delegate system?

[ducks]

Being popular and winning huge in California is not going to automatically win u the white house

[Th'Pusher]

Didn't Hillary get more popular votes than Obama in the primaries in 2008?

That's highly debatable with a number of contributing factors. If you wanted to dig into it, I'd say that's actually an argument for superdelegates to serve a valuable purpose.

[boutons_deux]

Electoral Votes

 Assuming Trump receives all of the electoral votes currently leaning his direction, which is not yet a given, he will end up with 306.

Over 54 elections, going back to 1824, this is the

11th worst margin of electoral victory, placing Trump in the bottom 20th percentile.

In other words, a significantly below average result.

And the winner-take-all nature of electoral voting inflates even that result, in that

Trump won the three crucial states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, along with their 46 electoral votes, by only a little over 100,000 votes out of over 12 million cast.

In fact Christopher Ingraham, writing for the Washington Post, recently showed that Trump’s electoral victory was so tenuous that Hillary Clinton could have won the election with a shift of only four counties to other states.

https://medium.com/@michaelarnovitz/...540#.ng57y772e

[Thread]

Electoral Votes

 Assuming Trump receives all of the electoral votes currently leaning his direction, which is not yet a given, he will end up with 306.

Over 54 elections, going back to 1824, this is the

11th worst margin of electoral victory, placing Trump in the bottom 20th percentile.

In other words, a significantly below average result.

And the winner-take-all nature of electoral voting inflates even that result, in that

Trump won the three crucial states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, along with their 46 electoral votes, by only a little over 100,000 votes out of over 12 million cast.

In fact Christopher Ingraham, writing for the Washington Post, recently showed that Trump’s electoral victory was so tenuous that Hillary Clinton could have won the election with a shift of only four counties to other states.

https://medium.com/@michaelarnovitz/...540#.ng57y772e

This victory has Bannon's hands all over it. He knew where to go.

Bannon


ADDENDUM:::And the margin of victory is not 100,000 twixt the 3 states. It's a little over 80,000 votes.

[Axl Rose]

https://www.hermancain.com/major-pro...-ballots-votes

[DMC]

That's highly debatable with a number of contributing factors. If you wanted to dig into it, I'd say that's actually an argument for superdelegates to serve a valuable purpose.

So you're saying Hillary did not get more popular votes in the primaries?

[DMC]

Electoral Votes

 Assuming Trump receives all of the electoral votes currently leaning his direction, which is not yet a given, he will end up with 306.

Over 54 elections, going back to 1824, this is the

11th worst margin of electoral victory, placing Trump in the bottom 20th percentile.

In other words, a significantly below average result.

And the winner-take-all nature of electoral voting inflates even that result, in that

Trump won the three crucial states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, along with their 46 electoral votes, by only a little over 100,000 votes out of over 12 million cast.

In fact Christopher Ingraham, writing for the Washington Post, recently showed that Trump’s electoral victory was so tenuous that Hillary Clinton could have won the election with a shift of only four counties to other states.

https://medium.com/@michaelarnovitz/...540#.ng57y772e

Hillary's was lower. That's all that matters. No one gives a past 270.

[ducks]

Electoral Votes

 Assuming Trump receives all of the electoral votes currently leaning his direction, which is not yet a given, he will end up with 306.

Over 54 elections, going back to 1824, this is the

11th worst margin of electoral victory, placing Trump in the bottom 20th percentile.

In other words, a significantly below average result.

And the winner-take-all nature of electoral voting inflates even that result, in that

Trump won the three crucial states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, along with their 46 electoral votes, by only a little over 100,000 votes out of over 12 million cast.

In fact Christopher Ingraham, writing for the Washington Post, recently showed that Trump’s electoral victory was so tenuous that Hillary Clinton could have won the election with a shift of only four counties to other states.

https://medium.com/@michaelarnovitz/...540#.ng57y772e

most illegal voters evers that are not legal usa citizens

[Th'Pusher]

So you're saying Hillary did not get more popular votes in the primaries?

It depends. There were multiple factors that affected whether a vote should count toward the popular vote total. Under some cir stances she won the popular, under others, Obama won.

I'm not interested in getting into a back and forth with you so you can try to win points of fact.

click on the link below, scroll down to the popular vote section and let me know if you have any question. Sound good stubby paws?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resu...tial_primaries