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    Or it could also be a combination of other things. Like the fact that Kawhi doesn't have as many open threes generated for him because he doesn't play on an explosive offensive team, and doesn't have KD and Curry as teammates. Or the fact that Kawhi's offensive game is much more well-rounded than Klaynus' (who's only elite skill is shooting).
    He doesn't have open 3s generated for him because he doesn't move as well without the ball, and he doesn't have the quick release ability that Klay has. Oddly LMA also doesn't have as many open threes generated for him. If KL is the heart of the offense on a team that's not offensively explosive, what does that say about Kawhi?

    Why is everything good a result of Kawhi but the limitations are a result of the team or the system? On the other side, why is everything good from Klay a result of the system but the limitations are a result of Klay?

    No middle ground?

    Homer takes are quite easy to spot.

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    84% of Ray Allen's 3 pointers made were assisted. 93% of Klay's career 3's have been assisted. So what? Great 3 point shooters find ways to get open.
    Oh yeah, and 80% of Kawhi's 3's are assisted. He could shoot more if he really wanted to.
    On second though, I don't even know why I bother with you. You are the guy who adamantly supported going offense first in college football OT. You aren't smart enough for this discussion.

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    He does have a higher usage rate which leads us back to square one. Kawhi is an alpha on an elite team, putting up his points while being the opposing defense's main focus. Klaynus is a gamma, playing a complimentary role and getting assisted on 85% of his shots.

    That's why I preceded that post by saying let's ignore that. Because your argument becomes that much tier if we don't.
    If Klay was the focus on offense, he'd be averaging several ppg higher. You could twist that to say he wouldn't have open looks because he'd be covered, but that's like saying Kawhi is better at the 3 through defense than is Klay. We know better.

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    He doesn't have open 3s generated for him because he doesn't move as well without the ball, and he doesn't have the quick release ability that Klay has. Oddly LMA also doesn't have as many open threes generated for him. If KL is the heart of the offense on a team that's not offensively explosive, what does that say about Kawhi?

    Why is everything good a result of Kawhi but the limitations are a result of the team or the system? On the other side, why is everything good from Klay a result of the system but the limitations are a result of Klay?

    No middle ground?

    Homer takes are quite easy to spot.
    It says that despite the strides he's made in that area, he still isn't an elite playmaker. Far from it. No shame in that. He doesn't have to be one to still be a better offensive player than Klaynus, since Klaynus' playmaking ability is non-existent.

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    If Klay was the focus on offense, he'd be averaging several ppg higher. You could twist that to say he wouldn't have open looks because he'd be covered, but that's like saying Kawhi is better at the 3 through defense than is Klay. We know better.
    He wouldn't be the main offensive focus on any half decent team, much less a team as good as the Spurs. He's an inconsistent scorer as a complimentary player. That would only get worse with added pressure from opposing defenses. If he's just going full Kirby I guess his averages would go up but his percentages would surely take a big dip.

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    He does have a higher usage rate which leads us back to square one. Kawhi is an alpha on an elite team, putting up his points while being the opposing defense's main focus. Klaynus is a gamma, playing a complimentary role and getting assisted on 85% of his shots.

    That's why I preceded that post by saying let's ignore that. Because your argument becomes that much tier if we don't.
    Kawhi is not setting up his teammates though. He will be easy to shut down in the playoffs if he doesn't get better at that. Oh, and Klay can get open more effortlessly than Kawhi can.

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    He wouldn't be the main offensive focus on any half decent team, much less a team as good as the Spurs. He's an inconsistent scorer as a complimentary player. That would only get worse with added pressure from opposing defenses. If he's just going full Kirby I guess his averages would go up but his percentages would surely take a big dip.
    shooting 47% as a complimentary player is inconsistent?

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    shooting 47% as a complimentary player is inconsistent?
    What do you call having a 60 point game, a 10 point game, and an 8 point game during a 4-game span, imbecile?

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    What do you call having a 60 point game, a 10 point game, and an 8 point game during a 4-game span, imbecile?
    In a season of 82 games, you are using 4 games to gauge inconsistency

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    In a season of 82 games, you are using 4 games to gauge inconsistency
    How about being held at or under 15 pts 1/3rd of the time so far this season?

    Last time I respond to you until you stop being such an imbecile, tbh.

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    How about being held at or under 15 pts 1/3rd of the time so far this season?

    Last time I respond to you until you stop being such an imbecile, tbh.
    It's only been 24 games for them, so that would be a total of 8 whole games

    That must have brought his average down soooooooo much

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    Because the Dubs don't need another ball handler or defender. What they need from Klay, he does at an elite level, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the league who could fill Klay's role on the Warriors better. It's not a slight to Kawhi, who I've said is the better overall player..
    They do need another defender. Specially one that plays bigger than his height.

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    Last year Klay averaged more PPG than Kawhi even though no one on the Spurs averaged higher than Kawhi. That's an 82 game sample. Right now you want to use a sample about 30% that size to overrule the past however many games based on the notion that Kawhi has somehow become better than Klay on offense, because he's relied on more than in the past.

    I guess Westbrook is better than Kobe or MJ based on the same sample size.

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    Thats where some of you Spurfans are so sensitive. Did anyone say Klay was the better player? Klay is the better OFFENSIVE player. Thats not a slight. Thats just the truth.
    Why you moving goal posts son? This is what I quoted from you:

    Why would they? They need interior defense.
    There's nothing there about who is the better offensive player, tbh.

    And btw, Klay being the better offensive player is highly debatable, probably wrong, tbh.

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    I asked you if Kawhi has the ability, meaning, does Kawhi have the jumpshot to even think about scoring that much in one quarter? No he doesn't. And you are right MJ never scored 37 in a quarter, he has scored 39 in one half (Still more than Kawhi could dream about) . It's a much more 3 point oriented game today...So don't try to compare.
    The jumper? Is this guy seriiusly knocking off on Kawhi's jumper? A 50/40/90 guy? A guy that hits jumpers coming off screens, on spot ups and off the dribble at an elite clip?

    The are we doing with arguing with this guy? It's obvious he just doesn't know about Kawhi's game.

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    Why you moving goal posts son? This is what I quoted from you:



    There's nothing there about who is the better offensive player, tbh.

    And btw, Klay being the better offensive player is highly debatable, probably wrong, tbh.
    No it isn't really debatable. Klay is better on offense. Klay gets open more effortlessly. He has a quicker release that allows him to score in bunches.

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    No it isn't really debatable. Klay is better on offense. Klay gets open more effortlessly. He has a quicker release that allows him to score in bunches.
    Dude, you laughed at Kawhi > Aldridge. Realize that you have a serious problem when it comes to analyzing Kawhi's game.

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    The jumper? Is this guy seriiusly knocking off on Kawhi's jumper? A 50/40/90 guy? A guy that hits jumpers coming off screens, on spot ups and off the dribble at an elite clip?

    The are we doing with arguing with this guy? It's obvious he just doesn't know about Kawhi's game.
    lol Christ you sensitive asses need to quit it. 60 points in 29 minutes points to whose jumpshot is better and more effective. What is Kawhi's career high in points? How about in a quarter?

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    Kawhi on the Warriors would probably be shooting 57% from the field as Durant is doing, tbh.

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    Last year Klay averaged more PPG than Kawhi even though no one on the Spurs averaged higher than Kawhi. That's an 82 game sample. Right now you want to use a sample about 30% that size to overrule the past however many games based on the notion that Kawhi has somehow become better than Klay on offense, because he's relied on more than in the past.

    I guess Westbrook is better than Kobe or MJ based on the same sample size.
    He's better than him on offense just by virtue of being the alpha on an elite team while Klay is a gamma. Him having better numbers is just insult to injury.

    Kawhi continues to improve offensively year to year. There's really no disputing that. It's not farfetched at all to say that at some point Klay was better offensively, but now he isn't. You can be skeptical about his ability to keep up his scoring average, but he's shown no signs of slowing down. I'm willing to bet any amount of your liking that Kawhi ends up averaging more PPG this year than Klay has in any year of his career.

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    lol Christ you sensitive asses need to quit it. 60 points in 29 minutes points to whose jumpshot is better and more effective. What is Kawhi's career high in points? How about in a quarter?
    "60 pts in 29 minutes" the new "four rings got"

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    Dude, you laughed at Kawhi > Aldridge. Realize that you have a serious problem when it comes to analyzing Kawhi's game.
    Kawhi's game was analyzed and shut down pretty well the last two playoff runs. While Klay was carrying the Warriors from certain death.

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    He's better than him on offense just by virtue of being the alpha on an elite team while Klay is a gamma.
    .
    What?

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    Kawhi on the Warriors would probably be shooting 57% from the field as Durant is doing, tbh.
    Doubtful

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