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You got a link for that? Or is that another one of your subjective facts?
Taj had a bad year last year, his value was at the lowest it had ever been.
We blew out gsw. Stop being a little crying .
You got a link for that? Or is that another one of your subjective facts?
Taj had a bad year last year, his value was at the lowest it had ever been.
Just another FACT for you to twist around as one of my "subjective" shticks.
Meanwhile, TOSB Noah's value was the highest it had ever been when he was getting benched for Taj & ing about it.That had the two sides considering a trade, reported by Zach Lowe of ESPN, but those talks stalled. He goes on to discuss the challenges Toronto faces in making that upgrade they want to see at the four.Chicago and Toronto had initial discussions on a Taj Gibson–Patrick Patterson swap that would give Chicago yet another stretch power forward and trim its tax bill, but those discussions appear to have led nowhere so far….
You can understand why (Raptors GM Masai) Ujiri might be wary of trading a first-round pick for Ryan Anderson, Thaddeus Young, Gibson, Kenneth Faried or Markieff Morris. None of those guys changes your life as a franchise…. Horford is a different story. It would take almost everything in the Toronto’s arsenal to get him, but if they manage it, the Raps would have a good chance of re-signing him, sources say. Still, such a bold move is unlikely.
I'm not going to argue. A lot of your points could be valid about motivation and i can't refute them. Some of the body language isn't so great. I admit it. However, I DO think people are a little hard on Pau. He's 36 and was never a terrific defender. Now, he's lost a lot of lateral quickness. But, I don't see lack of effort as others do. I see lack of speed. He's really the third best offensive player we have behind Kawhi (and some nights) Patty. With the lack of skilled bigs in this league he DOES bring things to the table that seem unappreciated on ST. Frankly, he's looked better in December than LMA.
My greater point is it Year 1 AD (After Duncan) and how many teams would you take in a series over the Spurs on a neutral court (if such thing existed)?
Golden State. (Okay, they're a super team and should be favored, but we match up with them better than anyone except maybe Cleveland).
The Clips (I'd favor them only because of our poor matchups. But they've got a ton of their own problems and could just as easily flame out round 1 or be on the other side of the bracket and gobbled up by GSW or even Memphis). They're an obstacle but a flawed one.
Those are the only definite ones. 2 whole teams. You can make an argument for the Cavs. I personally doubt it, but for the sake of argument, let's add them. So at worst there are 3 teams who'd be favored in a series against us? And everyone is doom and gloom here? Yes, Houston, and perhaps the Raptors could give us trouble, but they wouldn't be favored. Neither would Memphis, OKC or Utah. And no one else is worth mentioning.
So, I think we've got a real chance at the WCF and with some breaks could go to the Finals and win it. So, Pop, RC and our much-maligned players must be doing something right.
Have faith folks!
Last edited by BillMc; 12-23-2016 at 02:07 PM.
No where did it say Patterson AND a 1st. The article and other articles said Patterson for Taj swap, but of course Raptors didn't accept it. They were the 2nd best team in the East and Patterson was the better player on essentially the same contract. The article was from Feb last year, and at the time Gibson was having the worst year of his career.Just another FACT for you to twist around as one of my "subjective" shticks.
Meanwhile, TOSB Noah's value was the highest it had ever been when he was getting benched for Taj & ing about it.
Might as well have signed Dwert if PATFO were going to s out 16 mill on TOSB Pau, tbh.
TOSB Tyson Chandler is competes better than GaSoft:
Lowe mentioned the Raptors wouldn't be willing to give up a 1st rd pick for Taj b/c the Bulls had ALWAYS made it clear they want a 1st rd pick no matter what:
Bulls seeking Patrick Patterson and first round pick for Taj Gibson
“Conflicting stories exist whether the Bulls or Raptors initiated talks centered on a Gibson for Patrick Patterson deal. However, the Bulls did ask for the lesser of the Raptors’ two first-round picks in those talks, regardless who initiated them, a source said.” – KC Johnson
The Parker contract extension was handed was out on loyalty terms, but also on the idea that 2013-2014 was only a down year he would bounce back from. I wonder how much of that would have changed had PATFO known that TP would completely falloff cliff into unplayable, end-of-bench TOSB status..
wants to play five more years... can't even average 5 assists in 25 minutes.
When is the last time a point guard dependent on speed & quickness had a bounce back season in their 30s?
Also the MAIN issue is the LENGTH of his contract rather than the money, paying him 2yr/30 mill would have been more reasonable than 3yrs/43 considering he already had a year left on his contract.
Real question based on common sense. Do you think Bulls or any team trying to get rid of a player would ever have a realistic asking price at the start of negotiations? Of course they will ask for the highest possible return. It's called negotiations. The team proposing always starts at its highest high of an asking price.Lowe mentioned the Raptors wouldn't be willing to give up a 1st rd pick for Taj b/c the Bulls had ALWAYS made it clear they want a 1st rd pick no matter what:
After obviously being turned down from that high asking price of a 1st and PP, and then being turned down for just a PP for Taj swap in February, you would think by the summer, the Bulls asking price would be lower, no?
Also, when they tweeted about Bulls asking for a 1st and a player, that player could have been of any quality, likely poor quality or way below bad Taj quality for that proposal ( player + 1st) to be reasonable. No way a player of Pattersons' quality and a 1st was reasonable for Taj at the time. Common sense says Bulls were bluffing or they're idiots. Bulls had time on their side with upcoming offseason, so asking high at the time and not budging is understandable. However, the time I'm talking about kicking tires with Taj was this past July, not February. Different time and different ball game from February.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 12-23-2016 at 03:05 PM.
Why in the would they be more eager to trade Taj in July AFTER they lost Noah/Pau, in a salary dump no less?
Noah & Pau are Cs. They traded for Lopez and had Felicio ready for back up C minutes.Why in the would they be more eager to trade Taj in July AFTER they lost Noah/Pau, in a salary dump no less?
Gibson plays PF. Trading Gibson would have opened up minutes for Portis-- who they are high on.
Gibson just impedes his progression. Thats why they wont re-sign Gibson.
And thats why Gibson will likely be on the block again once Bulls realize they have no shot.
I knew Poop was probably besotted by Pau for non-actual basketball or roster fit reasons..Good luck with the "bench Pau" campaign, let alone "trade him"
This is a Pop signing written all over it...
Portis has been a disaster on defense & Felicio wasn't getting minutes until Portis dropped out of the rotation. Those two are like Fat Head/Simmons & the Bulls probably saw enough of Taj busting Portis' ass in practice to realize he ain't the dude you pair up w/ space cadet Mirotic.
During training camp, they were saying Taj had been their best big thus wouldn't trade him even if it jacked up their spacing. (Not that they cared considering they signed Rondo to be paired up w/ Wade:
Based on the Bulls history, they are going to let him walk in the summer just like everyone else not named Rose.Gibson just impedes his progression. Thats why they wont re-sign Gibson.
And thats why Gibson will likely be on the block again once Bulls realize they have no shot.
This and this.
Yeah he hand picked a European coach to be his assistant over Udoka b/c the former is "well cultured".
I knew Poop was probably besotted by Pau for non-actual basketball or roster fit reasons..Good luck with the "bench Pau" campaign, let alone "trade him"
This is a Pop signing written all over it...
The problem with your response is that we are not talking about this year.
The whole conversation is based on last years set of variables.
What you just said is irrelevant to the conversation.
Portis was ty on defense last season, his talent is on offense. If Portis was as good as you make him seem then they would just start him & bring Taj off the bench like he had been doing for the majority of his career. Meanwhile, dude has played his way out of the rotation like Fat Head.
If the Raptors had agreed to do the Taj/Patterson swap then Patterson would basically have been their starting 4. The only minute Portis can get is if Mirotic is traded since he can also stretch the floor & Felicio is good enough to cover his ass on defense against backups.
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