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    Nothing wrong with the play itself. However, last night, Manu couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, he shouldn't have even been out there taking the shot. On the other hand, Bertans, who shot very well was sitting on the bench. Why?
    You know why.

    Because Pop still trusts in Manu and Parker. And his loyalty is killing this team in the last two years.

    Can anyone remember a successful play, an elaborate play not Kawhi's Iso, that Pop called to close a game in the last two years?

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    Manu was wide open for three, but I'd like to see Kawhi take the easy two to tie it(Delly was the only Buck at the rim). It's not like we're on the road, no need to go for the win.

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    Manu was wide open for three, but I'd like to see Kawhi take the easy two to tie it(Delly was the only Buck at the rim). It's not like we're on the road, no need to go for the win.
    I would have liked that Pop called a play for Kawhi who was shooting great instead of calling two consecutive P&Rs between Parker and LMA who couldn't hit the ocean in the last minute of game 5 in OKC series.

    I would have liked to see a Danny/Davis open instead of Manu's but Pop put him in the last seconds for some reason...

    I 'guess' Pop doesn't care about what fans like.

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    Good points OP...
    Hes going to ride them until the wheels fall off and even with no wheels he will ride them... It's one of the things that scares me about Pop... He has lately played the hot hand more and gone to other players... he's been willing to give opportunities but it took Mills years, seasons, clutch shots in playoffs, a championship, etc for Pop now starting to go to him to start or end games depending on whether he's had the hot hand, etc. I am grateful to have the HOF vets the team has, but they are Pops security blanket and when the going gets tough in the playoffs I suspect he's going back to them to close games, etc.

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    Yep, I believe Kawhi/the team executed the play Pop had in mind. The game was lost on defense the whole game long not on the last offensive possession.

    Thanks for this point.

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    Manu's last shot was awful, but WTF was Pop doing drawing a 3 for Bertans when we were only down one?? And then why was Manu shooting a 3 when we were only down 2? Both times the play should have been to go inside to get 2 or a foul or both. I know LA was out but why else did we go get Gasol this off-season? Is there any situation that cries out for him more? I mean, I know he hasn't been great, but aside from a Leonard 2 (not gonna happen because they were keying on him) or a Green 3 (he was cold last night) why not go to the veteran former all-star for an inside shot? smh
    Good points about Pops play calling...

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    I wonder if people hear post-games interviews...Kawhi said Manu's shot was the shot the team wanted. That's why he was on the court.

    It never was a Kawhi Iso, from the begining it was a penetrate and dish.
    It doesn't mean Kawhi doesn't have the ability to audible if he's got a clear/easy shot. There's gotta be a little common sense if you've got the ball 2. If he had a clearer lane, he probably tries to finish.

    He made the right basketball play. I just wish like I said Danny and Manu switched spots. Probably a different convo were all having

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    Manu's last shot was awful, but WTF was Pop doing drawing a 3 for Bertans when we were only down one?? And then why was Manu shooting a 3 when we were only down 2? Both times the play should have been to go inside to get 2 or a foul or both. I know LA was out but why else did we go get Gasol this off-season? Is there any situation that cries out for him more? I mean, I know he hasn't been great, but aside from a Leonard 2 (not gonna happen because they were keying on him) or a Green 3 (he was cold last night) why not go to the veteran former all-star for an inside shot? smh
    Bertans got a great look. Down 1,2 or 3 it was a great look at gives experience to Bertans.

    The last play was probably drive to the basket, if nothing is there then go to plan B was to kick out. The defense all collapsed on Kawhi, which was why Manu and others were open.

    No issues with the plays called from my end. I actually thought they were very well executed which in the big picture is more important things than the actual outcome of the game.

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    I wonder if people hear post-games interviews...Kawhi said Manu's shot was the shot the team wanted. That's why he was on the court.

    It never was a Kawhi Iso, from the begining it was a penetrate and dish.

    No, I didn't hear that. But Dabom says that only ty coaches call a timeout play for a single player like that, and he's an intellectual. So either Pop was lying, or he's a ty coach.

    If you're playing at home AND you think you're the better team? Get the highest-percentage shot you can, and take it to OT. Maybe Pop didn't like their chances of winning in OT. That says a lot, too.

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    When coaches call "plays" it's never designed for one player to take a shot..Maybe ty coaches.

    Pop set that up knowing Kawhi would have to make a decision after that hand-off..Players make reads not cooaches...It was a decent setup that opened multiple opportunities. Kawhi saw ot best to pass the ball instead of shooting over two defenders...Manu just shot the bed. Not manus fault too though...players miss shots it happens.

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    It doesn't mean Kawhi doesn't have the ability to audible if he's got a clear/easy shot. There's gotta be a little common sense if you've got the ball 2. If he had a clearer lane, he probably tries to finish.

    He made the right basketball play. I just wish like I said Danny and Manu switched spots. Probably a different convo were all having

    Kawhi vs Dellavadova at the restricted circle? If Tony failed to give the ball to Kawhi in that situation, the slurpers would be screaming that it's a 100% make for Kawhi, and Parker just screwed him out of it.

    But you mentioned common sense. It sure as isn't common around here.

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    When coaches call "plays" it's never designed for one player to take a shot..Maybe ty coaches.

    Pop set that up knowing Kawhi would have to make a decision after that hand-off..Players make reads not cooaches...It was a decent setup that opened multiple opportunities. Kawhi saw ot best to pass the ball instead of shooting over two defenders...Manu just shot the bed. Not manus fault too though...players miss shots it happens.

    LOL. You giving him a thumbs-up for that, at the same time YGWI posts that Pop says he called a play designed for one player (Manu) to get the shot. And I'm quoting specific plays (famous plays) from old playoff games where Pop intended for one player to take the shot.

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    LOL. You giving him a thumbs-up for that, at the same time YGWI posts that Pop says he called a play designed for one player (Manu) to get the shot. And I'm quoting specific plays (famous plays) from old playoff games where Pop intended for one player to take the shot.

    This place is a ing zoo.
    Point is you can call a play for a player but at the end the player executes and decides. Unless you have dumb ass hero ballers like Kobe who will shoot no matter who is open and how defense reacted. Pop calls the set up and final objective now he will kick your ass if you don't react and adapt to defense. In that case I'm surprised Pop said that, I thought play was for Kawhi and Kawhi made the call to play for Manu. This does not change the fact unless you are a ty coach, you call a set up and a preferential outcome (player x takes shot at y condition) but you ask your ball handler to take a decision if conditions y are not possible to achieve. That seems pretty common sense.

    Pop will kick your ass if:

    - conditions y are achievable and you decide something else
    - conditions y are not achievable and you force the play

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    Picking the right shooter is a significant difference between win or lose.

    And that's OP point.

    Why Manu? Why Pop continues to rely on the old men to close a game?

    If Manu wasn't there, Danny would be in that corner or Bertans or even Patty...I'd rather to lose a game with a Davis/Danny shots instead of Manu's.

    And why Parker? Defense knows that Parker won't take the shot...Why don't put Kawhi and four true shooters?
    I really don't know. Maybe if Manu was shooting good, I would have had him out there, but also, I'm not sure if he should be moving on and getting the young guys ready for these big moments. He can't keep relying on TP and Manu. He's gotta give the young guys these shots now, in the regular season, just to see what he has.

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    No, I didn't hear that. But Dabom says that only ty coaches call a timeout play for a single player like that, and he's an intellectual. So either Pop was lying, or he's a ty coach.

    If you're playing at home AND you think you're the better team? Get the highest-percentage shot you can, and take it to OT. Maybe Pop didn't like their chances of winning in OT. That says a lot, too.
    I know I didn't.

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    I really don't know. Maybe if Manu was shooting good, I would have had him out there, but also, I'm not sure if he should be moving on and getting the young guys ready for these big moments. He can't keep relying on TP and Manu. He's gotta give the young guys these shots now, in the regular season, just to see what he has.
    Exactly. Why not set up for the playoffs now? Should be the real purpose of the regular season.
    We've seen this movie before including the last two playoff ousters.

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    Manu's last shot was awful, but WTF was Pop doing drawing a 3 for Bertans when we were only down one?? And then why was Manu shooting a 3 when we were only down 2? Both times the play should have been to go inside to get 2 or a foul or both. I know LA was out but why else did we go get Gasol this off-season? Is there any situation that cries out for him more? I mean, I know he hasn't been great, but aside from a Leonard 2 (not gonna happen because they were keying on him) or a Green 3 (he was cold last night) why not go to the veteran former all-star for an inside shot? smh
    Under the specific cir stances of this game, I loved Pop's calls on both final offensive possessions. The way the Spurs defense was non-existent, it was no time to play things "by the book," going for OT at home. Down 1, I loved the play for a 3 by Bertans. With little time left on the clock after Bertans' shot, I would much rather have a 2-point lead than a 1-point lead And I definitely did not want the game to go to OT for the same reason. So, I really liked the idea of going for a 3 and the win on the final possession. Like some others here on ST, I didn't like having Manu be the guy taking the potential game-winning shot, but the play was great in conception and execution.
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    I really don't know. Maybe if Manu was shooting good, I would have had him out there, but also, I'm not sure if he should be moving on and getting the young guys ready for these big moments. He can't keep relying on TP and Manu. He's gotta give the young guys these shots now, in the regular season, just to see what he has.
    Exactly!

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    Manu has hit so many clutch shots after shooting horrendously, not a bad call, just a bad shot.
    No biggie.
    Teams like Milwaukee are tough for the Spurs to stop if not clicking on all cylinders defensively, and that was not the case that night.

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