Patty Mills. A master conductor of the Spurs' offense.

[midnightpulp]

To finish games I want Kawhi and LA getting all the touches while having guys that can shoot (preferably 3s) around them. Tony just isn't that guy in most cases.

I don't necessarily have a problem with that (though Mills will be relentlessly targeted on defense. Yes, he's a worse defender than Parker). And by "finishing games," I mean like last 2 minutes of a close game in which Parker was playing badly.

The Mills argument usually centers around him starting/replacing Parker full stop. That is a stupid idea.

[DAF86]

I don't necessarily have a problem with that (though Mills will be relentlessly targeted on defense. Yes, he's a worse defender than Parker). And by "finishing games," I mean like last 2 minutes of a close game in which Parker was playing badly.

The Mills argument usually centers around him starting/replacing Parker full stop. That is a stupid idea.

Do you have a problem with Patty getting 30 minutes when he's playing better than Tony?

[DAF86]

Fap86, like in the soccer forum, will never give credit to Parker/Ronaldo

Its the Manu/Messi fanboyism in his blood

Parker has been awesome this season.

Just of the top of my head, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

Do you have a problem with Patty getting 30 minutes when he's playing better than Tony?

You realize when Patty plays well, Green is not on the floor, right?

That's my whole argument. Patty for Tony straight up doesn't work for major minutes. You want more Patty, means more Manu/Fathead/. Too many people on here think Patty is just plug-and-play. No. He needs a specific lineup.

If Manu isn't in Turnobili mode, I have no problem with that.

[DAF86]

You realize when Patty plays well, Green is not on the floor, right?

That's my whole argument. Patty for Tony straight up doesn't work for major minutes. You want more Patty, means more Manu/Fathead/. Too many people on here think Patty is just plug-and-play. No. He needs a specific lineup.

If Manu isn't in Turnobili mode, I have no problem with that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400899722
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400899656
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400899896
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400899761

Here are just some of the games I remember of Patty and Green sharing the floor just fine, tbh.

When Patty is playing well, there's no problem with playing Patty and Green at the same time for the last 4 minutes of each half, tbh.

[140]

This just proves that Patty actually follows Pops orders (unlike other PGs on the team...)

If he was actually asked to run the offense he'd do just fine tbh

[Sfan]

This just proves that Patty actually follows Pops orders (unlike other PGs on the team...)

If he was actually asked to run the offense he'd do just fine tbh

Agree that was my point. I sense Patty plays to his skill set and POP designs his plays that way.

[Brazil]

This just proves that Patty actually follows Pops orders (unlike other PGs on the team...)

If he was actually asked to run the offense he'd do just fine tbh

you mean dude is a good ball handler and playmaker but Pop and him just choose to not play of his strength ?

[Brazil]

he'd do just fine

[Kawhitstorm]

Too bad Forbes appears to have zero athleticism. I can't even hope for him to get that role. Replacing Mills with another small two really isn't necessary, though. Just get a dynamic scorer like Josh Hart to put next to Murray and run them with Simmons/Anderson, Bertans and Dedmon/Gasol.

Simmons is most likely gone along w/ Patty b/c he's going to get a Solomon Hill type contract, tbh.

I would cut Forbes & sign Hollis Thompson who's a big guard that plays passable defense against wings. Assuming Pau opt-in & PATFO use the cap space to re-sign Dedmon they would only be able to target minimum salary guys to replace Patty/Manu/Simmons. Besides Thompson, I would target Ben McLemore if he's willing to sign for the minimum (Lee might get the RE) otherwise get GPII & your boy Weber.

Pau/Porker are going to be completely TOSB next season so might as well get the youth movement started early & let Porker mentor the young guards.

[TD 21]

Simmons is most likely gone along w/ Patty b/c he's going to get a Solomon Hill type contract, tbh.

I would cut Forbes & sign Hollis Thompson who's a big guard that plays passable defense against wings. Assuming Pau opt-in & PATFO use the cap space to re-sign Dedmon they would only be able to target minimum salary guys to replace Patty/Manu/Simmons. Besides Thompson, I would target Ben McLemore if he's willing to sign for the minimum (Lee might get the RE) otherwise get GPII & your boy Weber.

Pau/Porker are going to be completely TOSB next season so might as well get the youth movement started early & let Porker mentor the young guards.

I doubt Mills is gone or Simmons signs a Hill type contract. I think there's a good chance he's gone, but not for that much, as Hill was (wrongly) viewed as a starter.

Thompson is a small forward and they could just sign him with the open roster spot.

As bad as he's been, there's no chance McLemore signs for the minimum. Word is teams are still intrigued with him, probably chalking his struggles more up to the Kings dysfunction than his own inep ude. He's got a qualifying offer of about $5.38M and if he's not traded by the deadline, they'll probably exercise it and make him restricted.

Why would they sign both Payton and Weber? They already have a point guard with intriguing defensive potential, that can't shoot.

[Kawhitstorm]

Why would they sign both Payton and Weber? They already have a point guard with intriguing defensive potential, that can't shoot.

GPII has the strength/length to play the 2-guard like Avery Bradley & Simmons isn't much of a shooter either so you aren't losing much in that department.

Weber is an intriguing 3rd string PG who has improved his shooting & can be a mid 30s three point shooter like CoJo.

As long as the second unit isn't posting up, they can use their athleticism to score in transition which should make up for their lack of shooting especially since Murray/GPII are elite rebounders for their position so they can just grab the board & attack before the defense is set like WestBrick. Bertans can also play the 4 to provide shooting if that's an issue.

You basically have two designated shooters in this line-up:

Dedmon
Bertans
Thompson
GPII
Murray

You could also mix & match by throwing in Kawhi/Danny w/ the second unit while Murray can play w/ the starters in place of Porker.

[TD 21]

GPII has the strength/length to play the 2-guard like Avery Bradley & Simmons isn't much of a shooter either so you aren't losing much in that department.

Weber is an intriguing 3rd string PG who has improved his shooting & can be a mid 30s three point shooter like CoJo.

As long as the second unit isn't posting up, they can use their athleticism to score in transition which should make up for their lack of shooting especially since Murray/GPII are elite rebounders for their position so they can just grab the board & attack before the defense is set like WestBrick. Bertans can also play the 4 to provide shooting if that's an issue.

You basically have two designated shooters in this line-up:

Dedmon
Bertans
Thompson
GPII
Murray

You could also mix & match by throwing in Kawhi/Danny w/ the second unit while Murray can play w/ the starters in place of Porker.

That's not exactly a second unit fit for an elite team.

Dedmon is probably 50/50 to be re-signed, but if he is, I could see a second unit of: Bertans, Anderson, Dedmon, Teodosic, Mills.

[140]

you mean dude is a good ball handler and playmaker but Pop and him just choose to not play of his strength ?

Don't act like Porker hasn't been sabotaging him for years behind the scenes

[Kawhitstorm]

That's not exactly a second unit fit for an elite team.

Good luck being an "elite team" w/ an even older version of Pau/Porker. (Might as well re-sign Manu & go all-in)

Dedmon is probably 50/50 to be re-signed, but if he is, I could see a second unit of: Bertans, Anderson, Dedmon, Teodosic, Mills.

There is no cap space to sign Dedmon & Teodosic unless they are willing to sign for WAY below market price i.e. Room Exception.

[TD 21]

Good luck being an "elite team" w/ an even older version of Pau/Porker. (Might as well re-sign Manu & go all-in)



There is no cap space to sign Dedmon & Teodosic unless they are willing to sign for WAY below market price i.e. Room Exception.

I meant, the intent of the organization is to maintain that status as long as possible.

The Spurs routinely have gotten role players signed for (significantly) less than the masses believe they'll sign for.

[SAGirl]

That's not exactly a second unit fit for an elite team.

Dedmon is probably 50/50 to be re-signed, but if he is, I could see a second unit of: Bertans, Anderson, Dedmon, Teodosic, Mills.

I
am curious TD 21... I have seen you mention Teodosic a lot (since the summer). What makes you think he's a candidate to join the Spurs? I know nothing of his contract situation, etc.

[TD 21]

I
am curious TD 21... I have seen you mention Teodosic a lot (since the summer). What makes you think he's a candidate to join the Spurs? I know nothing of his contract situation, etc.

Last summer, he said he wants to go to the NBA and sign with the Spurs or Jazz. The Jazz will likely re-sign Hill and won't have a backcourt need (even if Burks is moved), plus they probably have even less financial flexibility than the Spurs.

The Spurs will probably have a need for a Ginobili replacement. I can see them selling him on roughly 20 mpg, to be the creator on the 2nd unit, on a 1 year contract or a 2 year contract with a player option for the 2nd season, so that he has a chance to prove himself in the NBA and then cash in for one significant contract before he gets too old.

[Brazil]

Don't act like Porker hasn't been sabotaging him for years behind the scenes

Must be Parker fault he cannot dribble without looking the ball

[tholdren]

Parker/Manu/Simmons/Lee/Dedmon is a horrible lineup.

It's horrible from a defensive lineup. Offensively it would be interesting. Everyone there is a hustle player save parker, which would be fun against the typical NBA defense.