#freeMurray?

[TimDunkem]

really?

That was his argument when he said Bertans was hesitant and one-dimensional offensively. He said he needed to watch tapes of Bonner to learn how to improve his game within the Spurs offense.

[SAGirl]

Anyone else feel like 5 or 6 of these gnsf are the same got?

Definitely...

[urunobili]

Can we take out the interrogation sign at the end of the thread le?

[dabom]

Definitely...

"Props the iest player on the team" shtick. You sure you ain't a troll?

[TimDunkem]

lmao Anderson so bad he can't even take minutes from Manu, Simmons, Bertans, and now Murray.

[tholdren]

I am in Murray's camp.

Then you know last night was fools gold.

[tholdren]

#murray'sPTmatters

[Chinook]

Murray had a plus-minus of 23. No way that's a fluke.

[tholdren]

Murray had a plus-minus of 23. No way that's a fluke.

Well heres Kyle Anderson - better plus minus, Anderson has to be better.

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[Chinook]

[HarlemHeat37]

Keeping expectations real, this year's Denver Nuggets squad has been one of the worst defensive teams in recent NBA history and they rank last in the league at defending the PG position..IIRC, Parker destroyed them in the first meeting at Denver..

Excited to see how he develops vs. legit teams, though..

[Mnky]

Yes, but Denver was having his defender double off of Murray and leaving Murray wide open. I don't think they were giving him space because of his ability to drive, I think they were doing it because they didn't think he could shoot. But he did what he was supposed to do, shoot it.

Every team does that.. the double has to come somewhere, and it came from all angles. When the double commits, the shooter always has open space. Everyone shooting outside Kawhi and danny get wide open shots all the time. Even mills is left wide open a lot. Just part of the game, for every player waiting at the three. Don't really see how that's a negative or anything.
Everyone shoots better with open space as well. Kind of a generalization you can say about any player really.

[cd98]

That was his argument when he said Bertans was hesitant and one-dimensional offensively. He said he needed to watch tapes of Bonner to learn how to improve his game within the Spurs offense.

I know the notion that Bonner is a scrub player is forever branded in casual Spur fan minds, but despite his deficiencies, he had one elite skill, his shooting, that allowed him to stretch the floor and allowed the Spurs to have great offensive efficiency during his tenure. No one is advocating him as an all-star, but there was a basketball reason for him starting and being a key player for years on one of the best teams in NBA history.

Early in his career though, Bonner was a timid shooter. He passed up open shots and when he established himself as a shooter, teams just chased him off the line and that was the extent of what he could do. But he because a more effective player when he learned what good shots were and stopped passing them up and he learned what to do when he was chased off the line. That didn't make him some kind of a superstar, but it made him effective enough to stay in the league for years and earn a starting job on the Spurs.

Betrans is mostly riding the Spurs bench. So it's obvious that he has some issues that need to be addressed for him to get on the court. He has size like Bonner and he can shoot like Bonner. And yes, he's more athletic than Bonner, but he is also painfully thin to play the 4/5, he passes up good shots, and he was a turnover machine on close outs in the Bucks game, one of the games where he got the most playing time. His role right now is a stretch 4 or 5, and his problem is passing up good shots. He should watch tapes of Bonner in learning what is and is not a good shot to take at the stretch 4 so he stops passing up open shots. And he needs to learn what to do on close outs, be it learn to drive and hit a runner a la Bonner or drive and hit a pull up on the backboard a la Bowen, or at least not turn the ball over like he did against the Bucks in the third quarter that surrendered the Spurs lead and then eventually the game. But because the word "Bonner" is mentioned, some people are programmed to automatically run into "Bonner Scrub" talk and ignore the substance of the points being made.

[gambit1990]

Keeping expectations real, this year's Denver Nuggets squad has been one of the worst defensive teams in recent NBA history and they rank last in the league at defending the PG position..IIRC, Parker destroyed them in the first meeting at Denver..

Excited to see how he develops vs. legit teams, though..

yeah, it was just one game but you can see potential. i hope he gets to play tomorrow.

[cd98]

Every team does that.. the double has to come somewhere, and it came from all angles. When the double commits, the shooter always has open space. Everyone shooting outside Kawhi and danny get wide open shots all the time. Even mills is left wide open a lot. Just part of the game, for every player waiting at the three. Don't really see how that's a negative or anything.
Everyone shoots better with open space as well. Kind of a generalization you can say about any player really.

I'd agree. They double off the people who they don't think can shoot. They aren't doubling off of Danny Green or Patty Mills. But they'll double off of Parker or someone else they don't think can shoot. That's not a rip on Murray as the scouting report on him is that he can't shoot. And to his credit, he stepped up and made the shots. But he won't get ignored by a defense if he starts making shots. Against Denver, he was largely ignored.

[Kawhitstorm]

This, the way Livingston has been increasing his productivity this season, and doing very well in the dismantling of the defending champ a few night ago off the bench, i really don't like the match up with Paddy if he can't regain the hot shooting hand by the time we meet them in the play off.

During the season opener, Fatty was either guarding Curry or Ian Clark. Last season he was matched up w/ Barbosa who busted his ass.

IIRC, Kyle was actually guarding Livingston during the 4th quarter when it was basically 12 minutes of garbage time & Manu or Simmons would most likely be matched w/ him in a playoff series. Historically, Fatty has had success against Curry who doesn't try & bully him like Austin Rivers.

[picnroll]

Murray's threes came off:
1) a double of Kawhi by his defender.
2) a contested three over his man
3) a rushed, contested, somewhat panicked three from 3-4 feet behind the line with 5 sec left on the shot clock
4) a classic Spurs baseline penetration by Green with baseline pass to Murray sliding down into the opposite corner.
Don't remember the second miss.

None of this is any different or easier than typical Spurs threes apart from Mills quick, pull up threes

[spurraider21]

Mills 3 point shooting by month

October: 59.1%
November: 39.7%
December: 41.9%
January: 35.7%

Mid needs to stop crying about "the slump". He's still at 42.3% on the season.

[TimDunkem]

I know the notion that Bonner is a scrub player is forever branded in casual Spur fan minds, but despite his deficiencies, he had one elite skill, his shooting, that allowed him to stretch the floor and allowed the Spurs to have great offensive efficiency during his tenure. No one is advocating him as an all-star, but there was a basketball reason for him starting and being a key player for years on one of the best teams in NBA history.

Early in his career though, Bonner was a timid shooter. He passed up open shots and when he established himself as a shooter, teams just chased him off the line and that was the extent of what he could do. But he because a more effective player when he learned what good shots were and stopped passing them up and he learned what to do when he was chased off the line. That didn't make him some kind of a superstar, but it made him effective enough to stay in the league for years and earn a starting job on the Spurs.

Betrans is mostly riding the Spurs bench. So it's obvious that he has some issues that need to be addressed for him to get on the court. He has size like Bonner and he can shoot like Bonner. And yes, he's more athletic than Bonner, but he is also painfully thin to play the 4/5, he passes up good shots, and he was a turnover machine on close outs in the Bucks game, one of the games where he got the most playing time. His role right now is a stretch 4 or 5, and his problem is passing up good shots. He should watch tapes of Bonner in learning what is and is not a good shot to take at the stretch 4 so he stops passing up open shots. And he needs to learn what to do on close outs, be it learn to drive and hit a runner a la Bonner or drive and hit a pull up on the backboard a la Bowen, or at least not turn the ball over like he did against the Bucks in the third quarter that surrendered the Spurs lead and then eventually the game. But because the word "Bonner" is mentioned, some people are programmed to automatically run into "Bonner Scrub" talk and ignore the substance of the points being made.

Except that Bertans isn't hesitant at all and no one subscribes to that myth anymore. The entire premise of your argument is moot.

Also, lol @ the "turnover machine" comment about the Bucks game. He had a grand total of 2 turnovers.

[spurraider21]

At some point we have to give the ******* treatment when people type Bertrans instead of Bertans

[cd98]

Except that Bertans isn't hesitant at all and no one subscribes to that myth anymore. The entire premise of your argument is moot.

Also, lol @ the "turnover machine" comment about the Bucks game. He had a grand total of 2 turnovers.

Yes and both of those led to open court dunks that gave the Bucks run they needed to take the lead. And it isn't a myth. He's passed up open shots and I'm not the only one to note that.

[cd98]

At some point we have to give the ******* treatment when people type Bertrans instead of Bertans

It wasn't a problem when the NBA just had "Johnson" and "Smith" names.

[look_at_g_shred]

Dude can get to the rim quick, and boy do i mean quick..

[Yuixafun]

3) a rushed, contested, somewhat panicked three from 3-4 feet behind the line with 5 sec left on the shot clock

He was able to draw a late whistle on that though, with a falling back leg sweep on the defender. Shows savvy or just good split second instinct... maybe he's learning from Manu and Kawhi. Another gem in his buckle.

[gambit1990]

tony is questionable for tomorrow