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    At this point, I'm hoping for a Cory Joseph-like development and Kyle finally comes into his own next year.

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    He's a great defensive player and will eventually get better on O as he grows more mature. People who don't think he's an NBA player really don't know what they're talking about.
    I'm not convinced, tbh... it's not hate either, I wished him well since the season started. I was actually relatively shocked to see him play today, he's been basically playing garbage time lately. That a fairly steep fall for a guy in his 3rd season that was projected to be a fixture of the rotation at this point. He's basically only played more minutes than Bertrans, Murray and Forbes this season. On the other hand, he's played over 100 more mins than Bertrans, so he definitely has had his opportunity.

    Regardless of his defensive play, it's just going to be difficult for him to stick if he doesn't develop an offensive game. At least I liked he didn't hesitate taking the 3s today (and the few mins he played in recent games), even if he didn't make them.

    Murray is the kind of kid you would say "once he matures"... Kyle is 23...

    Now, maybe a change of scenery would work out for him, as some people have said. Maybe a larger role on a ty team to hone in his offensive skills. The problem is that I don't think any team would really pick him up, and his rookie scale salary can't really land anything worthwhile for the Spurs at this time.

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    I'm not convinced, tbh... it's not hate either, I wished him well since the season started. I was actually relatively shocked to see him play today, he's been basically playing garbage time lately. That a fairly steep fall for a guy in his 3rd season that was projected to be a fixture of the rotation at this point. He's basically only played more minutes than Bertrans, Murray and Forbes this season. On the other hand, he's played over 100 more mins than Bertrans, so he definitely has had his opportunity.

    Regardless of his defensive play, it's just going to be difficult for him to stick if he doesn't develop an offensive game. At least I liked he didn't hesitate taking the 3s today (and the few mins he played in recent games), even if he didn't make them.

    Murray is the kind of kid you would say "once he matures"... Kyle is 23...

    Now, maybe a change of scenery would work out for him, as some people have said. Maybe a larger role on a ty team to hone in his offensive skills. The problem is that I don't think any team would really pick him up, and his rookie scale salary can't really land anything worthwhile for the Spurs at this time.
    He's got an offensive game, it just doesn't work as a spread player.

    but the problem is, his offensive game is typically reserved for top 6 players in the team...Right now, he's just a guy that is out there.

    I've seen kyle do Ok in situations where he had to create something for his team in the High Post, Low post and dribble hand offs.. it's a big man game basically.

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    He's got an offensive game, it just doesn't work as a spread player.

    but the problem is, his offensive game is typically reserved for top 6 players in the team...Right now, he's just a guy that is out there.

    I've seen kyle do Ok in situations where he had to create something for his team in the High Post, Low post and dribble hand offs.. it's a big man game basically.
    That herky-jerky gets old so quick at the NBA level, tbh...

    Like somebody said, maybe this just isn't the team for him to develop an offense. The Spurs went out there and picked up 3 frontcourt guys in the offseason (Pau, Lee, Dedmon), and they just signed Joel Anthony to a 10-day.

    So they're not going to put him in post situations. Honestly, I don't even think he has the build to play there at this level.

    I'm rooting for the kid, I know the Spurs put 3 seasons into him, and I don't think it's a case of being lazy or malcontent. Unfortunately, not everybody makes it in this league, and one of the things he's lacking, athleticism, is a premium. That's why is not surprising that Simms played almost twice as many mins than him at this point, even though I would agree that the player with the better "smarts" is Kyle.

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    I've been posting here since I was sixteen and lurking since I was a sop re in HS..I'm now in my mid 20s.

    Also, just before some wrinkled poster tells you have much better the site was before....It wasn't.

    The website before was filled with TIMVP takes, and roughley 90 percent of people agreeing with him because they dont play enough basketball themselves to understand the nuances of the game. Although some older posters like ManuTres, TD21, ElNono and manny (doesnt post anymore) have always contributed positive basketball takes over the years.

    Imo, now...We have so much more posters that clearly understand the game and give their own genuine takes irregardless of the difference of opinion.

    @Harlemheat, ManuTres, Chinook, Kawhistorm, TD21, Ditty etc..and a few others their username is escaping me right now...

    but overall its a much better website now with much better content.
    I like the grades. Though I know you prefer to be spontaneous but many guys who don't post often have contributed and they have been enjoyable... and the guys with agenda.. outside of the agenda they are still enjoyable to read. Obviously ymthe vest aspect is the spontaneity... for example I am terrible with trades and such bc I just don't watch other teams enough but they are usually (if not ridiculous) interesting.

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    I've been posting here since I was sixteen and lurking since I was a sop re in HS..I'm now in my mid 20s.

    Also, just before some wrinkled poster tells you have much better the site was before....It wasn't.

    The website before was filled with TIMVP takes, and roughley 90 percent of people agreeing with him because they dont play enough basketball themselves to understand the nuances of the game. Although some older posters like ManuTres, TD21, ElNono and manny (doesnt post anymore) have always contributed positive basketball takes over the years.

    Imo, now...We have so much more posters that clearly understand the game and give their own genuine takes irregardless of the difference of opinion.

    @Harlemheat, ManuTres, Chinook, Kawhistorm, TD21, Ditty etc..and a few others their username is escaping me right now...

    but overall its a much better website now with much better content.
    Time flies.

    Making me feel like an old 31 yr old lol.

    I agree 100% though. A lot of new blood has been great for the site in recent years. Theres great debates and high level takes. Whether we agree or disagree, the roots of the take come from a knowledgeable place -- which is refreshing.

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    Another kneejerk thread by a safe space poster.

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    I'm not convinced, tbh... it's not hate either, I wished him well since the season started. I was actually relatively shocked to see him play today, he's been basically playing garbage time lately. That a fairly steep fall for a guy in his 3rd season that was projected to be a fixture of the rotation at this point. He's basically only played more minutes than Bertrans, Murray and Forbes this season. On the other hand, he's played over 100 more mins than Bertrans, so he definitely has had his opportunity.

    Regardless of his defensive play, it's just going to be difficult for him to stick if he doesn't develop an offensive game. At least I liked he didn't hesitate taking the 3s today (and the few mins he played in recent games), even if he didn't make them.

    Murray is the kind of kid you would say "once he matures"... Kyle is 23...

    Now, maybe a change of scenery would work out for him, as some people have said. Maybe a larger role on a ty team to hone in his offensive skills. The problem is that I don't think any team would really pick him up, and his rookie scale salary can't really land anything worthwhile for the Spurs at this time.
    I've said it multiple times that Kyle's real worth will depend upon his ability to be a consistent outside shooter / perform consistent moves. If he does this, he'll play with confidence and be a contributor in all facets. But there's been all too many games where he has zero confidence and his game unsurprisingly has been utter sh**. I'm frankly disappointed that he didn't seem to put the work in during the off-season. He should've came into this season with the corner three down pat. He literally passes up on wide open looks on that shot though.

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    Kyle has had a terrible junior year, but that can be attributed to playing too much SF -- which isnt the best position for him.

    Kyle is best at the PF spot.

    He has the size, length and can move his feet well -- which is huge for switching in PnRs or switching on back door cuts or down screens. Its an edge the Spurs have when he plays the small ball PF or PF defensively -- since most offense in todays NBA is initiated from the PnR or from perimeter. On top of that, hes a solid rebounder, and just about every team doesnt have a PF that can execute efficiently from the low block in the long run -- so there shouldnt be a concern regarding Kyles post defense against physical PFs.

    Offensively, Kyle can actually utilize his strengths more effectively since the players guarding him are typically slower/ not as athletic. He can also utilize his true skills as the secondary play maker if hes the PnR roller -- setting the screen, receiving a pocket pass around FT line after the ball handler is hedged. In this position, Kyle would have the ball in his hands to make a play in a 4 on 3 situation that lasts about 3 seconds til the hedger recovers. So much better than just being parked at the 3 point line as he would as a back up wing, helping the defense play 5 on 4 -- since most teams just ignore him or cheat over closer to the strong side of the play.

    Spurs will have to go small in the playoffs against the best teams ( GS, CLE, HOU ) and thats where I think Bertans and Kyle will be more valuable than Gasol.
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    It was so funny to watch Lebron struggling like against him
    Agree. I loved when Kyle forced LBJ TO's

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    I feel much better about him after tonight. I even gave him some minutes in 2K17 online (I just rattled off 5 straight wins against Cavs users, too )

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    He's a great defensive player and will eventually get better on O as he grows more mature. People who don't think he's an NBA player really don't know what they're talking about.
    Great defenders don't lose sight of their man for a game tying three in the corner with .6 seconds left on the clock in overtime. He was burned by Irving on a three ball off a pass from Lebron earlier in the game as well.

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    I feel much better about him after tonight. I even gave him some minutes in 2K17 online (I just rattled off 5 straight wins against Cavs users, too )
    Whats your strategy?

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    When the game was going to (the second time) he was instrumental in sparking a come back, him and Murray.

    I just love the arrogance by Lebron towards Kyle when Kyle first entered the game. Had that look like he was going to own Kyle. If only looks counted as points

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    That one steal on James that led to fast break was so baller. He can have surprisingly quick hands for such a slow dude.

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    I try to play a dynamic game. Lots of passing around the horn, find the open man, cutters to the basket, take what the defense gives me, open jumpers in the midrange as opponents tend to ignore those areas on defense. I use icon passing a lot. Run lots of pick-and-rolls (hold L1), and sometimes change to pick-and-pop (hold L1 + tap R1). Frequently run postups for Leonard and Aldridge.

    I'm also pretty good on defense. The key is to play fundamentally sound - top priority is to stay in front of your man, don't reach in, crown him by holding L2, try to anticipate his movements, give him space if he's trying to change directions on you, and take control of your center frequently, hovering in the paint so you don't give up easy dunks (but make sure you dip out to avoid 3 second violations). I happen to be good at blocking shots, but that requires good timing reflexes. But you can't be overly aggressive, as many players will pump fake repeatedly until you jump. Stand your ground until you really think they're gonna shoot. (Just by holding L2, you'll automatically go into a shot-contest animation, but it rarely fouls.)

    Don't always try to force a break and push the tempo. Play some half court offense, lull them into thinking you're slow, and then take advantage of bad passes to steal it and score quickly.

    Always box out on attempted jumpers by holding L2, but also be sure and step in front of the nearest big player, and time your jump properly to rebound.

    Mix up your rotation. I tried Anderson at 4 tonight and it worked surprisingly well. Try to stagger Leonard and Aldridge's minutes, so you always have an iso player on the floor.
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    I try to play a dynamic game. Lots of passing around the horn, find the open man, cutters to the basket, take what the defense gives me, open jumpers in the midrange as opponents tend to ignore those areas on defense. I use icon passing a lot. Run lots of pick-and-rolls (hold L1), and sometimes change to pick-and-pop (hold L1 + tap R1). Frequently run postups for Leonard and Aldridge.

    I'm also pretty good on defense. The key is to play fundamentally sound - top priority is to stay in front of your man, don't reach in, crown him by holding L2, try to anticipate his movements, give him space if he's trying to change directions on you, and take control of your center frequently, hovering in the paint so you don't give up easy dunks (but make sure you dip out to avoid 3 second violations). I happen to be good at blocking shots, but that requires good timing reflexes. But you can't be overly aggressive, as many players will pump fake repeatedly until you jump. Stand your ground until you really think they're gonna shoot. (Just by holding L2, you'll automatically go into a shot-contest animation, but it rarely fouls.)

    Don't always try to force a break and push the tempo. Play some half court offense, lull them into thinking you're slow, and then take advantage of bad passes to steal it and score quickly.

    Always box out on attempted jumpers by holding L2, but also be sure and step in front of the nearest big player, and time your jump properly to rebound.

    Mix up your rotation. I tried Anderson at 4 tonight and it worked surprisingly well. Try to stagger Leonard and Aldridge's minutes, so you always have an iso player on the floor.
    I'm not as good as you are, but Post play in this game is almost unstopabble one on one vs CPU and human..that jump hook always gets aldridge his 20 points on ny team in like 12 shots or something.

    Also, Leonard off ball is dynamite. If you're playing with human and they go one on one defense..Porker can generate some of the cleanest look for me...

    I remeber a few weeks ago, some dude rage quit on me. Aldridge was 6-6 and Leonard was 9-11..something ..

    Kept in saying the game is BS cause I couldnt miss..The guy just refuse to change his defense. His fault. Got so many wide open shots with my two best offensive players.

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    Now, maybe a change of scenery would work out for him, as some people have said. Maybe a larger role on a ty team to hone in his offensive skills.
    I'm not sure that would help. He seems to be at his best when playing a limited, clearly defined role. It's when he was playing with the big guys as a starter that he seemed lost. I feel he's the kind of player from who you can get either D or O (well, limited O) or passing... but if you start asking for everything then you get nothing. That's why he's not comparable at all to Diaw who was comfortable with doing a bit of everything here and there nd was smart enough to know when he had to be a facilitator, a scorer, a defender.

    Hopefully the game against the Cavs will be a step in the right direction in terms of usage and Pop will stop asking too much from him.

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    What I liked about him in the Cavs game mor so than his good D was that he didn't hesitate to take the 3pt shot. I wasn't even that bothered that he missed all of them. He just needs to let it fly. I hope DJ's Confidence on offense rubs off on him.

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    Great defenders don't lose sight of their man for a game tying three in the corner with .6 seconds left on the clock in overtime. He was burned by Irving on a three ball off a pass from Lebron earlier in the game as well.
    That wasn't his man FFS. And it was Korver who burned him (twice), not Irving.

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    we may need him to be against GS ... someone has to defend Durant when Kawhi and Green are on the Splash Brothers

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    He's been an NBA-caliber player already due to his defensive prowess, tbh..there are players in the NBA that have made a living and are currently starters as defense-first players with no offensive ability(Mbah a Moute)..

    Developing an offensive niche is the next step if he's going to become an ideal rotation player..I still don't think he will be able to do it here with Manu running the bench unit, but he will get a shot as Simmons is phased out of the rotation IMO(like last season)..
    Impressed by his D but was an non factor on offense. He needs that corner 3 because he may never be able to run the offense, something he looks more comfortable doing than spotting up.
    Mills-Murray-Bertans-Anderson-Lee/Dedmon may end up being the bench unit next season, it's not be the most experienced unit but it does have potential upside.

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    That wasn't his man FFS. And it was Korver who burned him (twice), not Irving.
    When I watched the replay of the final play, I thought that it was Kawhi who was supposed to switch. Kawhi had been switching off on to Love for most of the second half, Anderson still made a great effort at contesting the shot.Love must have missed 5 wide open 3's along with Korver missed a wide open left corner 3, there's some luck involved with this win as well as some pretty good defense overall.

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    When I watched the replay of the final play, I thought that it was Kawhi who was supposed to switch. Kawhi had been switching off on to Love for most of the second half, Anderson still made a great effort at contesting the shot.Love must have missed 5 wide open 3's along with Korver missed a wide open left corner 3, there's some luck involved with this win as well as some pretty good defense overall.
    If you look at the set-up of the D before the inbounds, you can see that Kawhi is on Love and Kyle is on Thompson (insofar as anyone is on anyone else). The issue is that for some reason, both Kyle and Kawhi thought Leonard was supposed to trap Irving. That should have been Kyle. You can see that by the way they were standing. However, Kawhi jumped out on Irving, leaving Kyle standing there pointing why Love got free in the corner. For such a broken coverage, it's extremely lucky that Anderson got back to contest at all. But he was confused just as much as Leonard was.

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    Looks like green should have followed love. Kawhi was zoning up the top of the key for Irving.

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