Useless players

[GSH]

I think you make some good points on Klay and Curry. And I think that they have the ability to alter their shots based on coverage or which way they're moving, etc. My guess is this comes from taking a lot of shots in a lot of situations over a long period of time. So that they don't have to be squared up to have a good chance at making the basket. And I think Green is opposite in that (like you said) needs to be squared up and able to step straight into the shot. He doesn't seem to be comfortable taking a shot fading one way or the other. Or having to double clutch.

I've never seen anything like Curry and Klay. It's like Tiger Woods, when he was at his best - there's nothing to compare them to. Especially Curry. If you start comparing anyone else to that, you're going to be disappointed. What you were talking about, a 3P shooter that is steady, rather than streaky? That's sort of the holy grail. 3P shooting is always high-variance ball. Guys get "in the zone" and hit everything they look at, but it evens out over time. Tiger stayed in the zone longer and more often than anyone ever had. The same for Curry, and right behind him Klay.

[SpursforSix]

I've never seen anything like Curry and Klay. It's like Tiger Woods, when he was at his best - there's nothing to compare them to. Especially Curry. If you start comparing anyone else to that, you're going to be disappointed. What you were talking about, a 3P shooter that is steady, rather than streaky? That's sort of the holy grail. 3P shooting is always high-variance ball. Guys get "in the zone" and hit everything they look at, but it evens out over time. Tiger stayed in the zone longer and more often than anyone ever had. The same for Curry, and right behind him Klay.

Yeah...even though I did...my point wasn't to compare Danny to Curry. Someone else brought up Klay and Curry and it made me curious as to the actual numbers. They're on a different level. I do think that there are other shooters in the NBA that would hit higher % than Green with the open looks. But then most don't play the defense that Green does. For the money, Green provides great value. Hopefully, he'll be hot at the right moments.

[Chinook]

Did people actually look at the percentage of makes on open looks? That's data that stat geeks already cut. You don't have to speculate.

As far as the variance, I'd love to see how that was cut. Was it based on games? Was volume factored in? There's no a lot you can tell from just sigmas, especially ones that are actually pretty close to each other, provided they're normalized.

[DPG21920]

Okay, so we all agree that Danny Green is useless trash?

I will slap what little handsomeness you have out yo face if you talk like this again.

[tholdren]

Danny Green? You guys are trippin! He's one of the best defenders in the world.

right. he was terrible in cleveland, and virtually everywhere else.

[tholdren]

Did people actually look at the percentage of makes on open looks? That's data that stat geeks already cut. You don't have to speculate.

As far as the variance, I'd love to see how that was cut. Was it based on games? Was volume factored in? There's no a lot you can tell from just sigmas, especially ones that are actually pretty close to each other, provided they're normalized.

Chinook is so dumb

[Ice009]

Do you have a source that computes the variance? I'd appreciate being able to go to a site that's already got it figured out.

I ran the standard deviations for Green, Curry, Klay, Koerver, and Belli.
Curry : .157
Klay : .218
Green : .242
Koerver : .266
Belli : .278

These are based on 3 point shots.

So he's a less consistent shooter than Curry and Klay. Not even taking into account that he shots more wide open shots than any of the above.
The bottom line is that I'd like for him to hit his wide open shots more consistently. A wide open three is not a difficult shot. So is it his mechanics? Or is it mental? I don't know.
As I've said, I like Green and his hustle and defense. But I sure wouldn't say he's a feared 3 point shooter.

Again, I pretty much agree with your gut feeling. I think it might be his mechanics. I don't think he's consistent with his shooting mechanics. I think that might be the main reason he misses more open shots than I'd like him to. The fact that he's also an average shooter inside the 3 point line leads me to believe it's a problem with his mechanics. Any open shot inside the 3 point line is like a layup to me. It's much easier (if you're a shooter) to hit mid-range shots if open, but Green seems to be quite poor at shots inside the arc. A lot of great 3 point shooters are also pretty good shooting mid-range shots, especially if they're open.

[SpursforSix]

Again, I pretty much agree with your gut feeling. I think it might be his mechanics. I don't think he's consistent with his shooting mechanics. I think that might be the main reason he misses more open shots than I'd like him to. The fact that he's also an average shooter inside the 3 point line leads me to believe it's a problem with his mechanics. Any open shot inside the 3 point line is like a layup to me. It's much easier (if you're a shooter) to hit mid-range shots if open, but Green seems to be quite poor at shots inside the arc. A lot of great 3 point shooters are also pretty good shooting mid-range shots, especially if they're open.

I'm not sure I agree with that 100%. I think every shooter has an optimal range. When I was playing (back in the day), it was easier for me to hit a 3 pointer from outside the top of the key than something around 15 feet. Because I could use my whole range of motion and not have to worry about holding back on the strength of the shot. Imo, the midrange shot is one of the hardest in basketball.

I think Green might be too consistent with his mechanics which means he can't alter his shot in the least and be able to hit. As I mentioned, he rarely seems to hit a shot moving left or right or with kind of hitch if there's a defender coming at him. But I do think this has to do with his form and his release. He has a wide ranger of motion which imo, means he has to get a lot more right than someone that shoots a more compact shot. If you watch, Green jumps fairly high and releases the ball high over his head while Curry lets it go lower and from the side. And on an open shot, doesn't jump high or extend his arms much at all.

[Dre_7]

right. he was terrible in cleveland, and virtually everywhere else.

He played a whole 20 games in Cleveland.

Haters always try to grasp at straws will foolish arguments.

[SAGirl]

good article for the Danny fan.
If there is a church of green it should be there but I don't know if there is, though I warned you it's more a fandom article than anything very substantial

[RD2191]

[RD2191]

Green and Mills are ing bums. TBH.

[RD2191]

Okay, so we all agree that Danny Green and Patty Mills are useless trash?

[TheGreatYacht]

Anyone who defends D-League airball is re ed and obviously isn't worth arguing with. Their last watched Spurs game was probably 4 years ago

[RD2191]

I'm just here so I don't get fined.

[RD2191]

Anyone who defends D-League airball is re ed and obviously isn't worth arguing with. Their last watched Spurs game was probably 4 years ago

But but transition defense

[Clipper Nation]

Anyone who defends D-League airball is re ed and obviously isn't worth arguing with. Their last watched Spurs game was probably 4 years ago

Referring to Porker as "D-League" is an insult to the D-League, tbh.

[Ice009]

I'm not sure I agree with that 100%. I think every shooter has an optimal range. When I was playing (back in the day), it was easier for me to hit a 3 pointer from outside the top of the key than something around 15 feet. Because I could use my whole range of motion and not have to worry about holding back on the strength of the shot. Imo, the midrange shot is one of the hardest in basketball.

I think Green might be too consistent with his mechanics which means he can't alter his shot in the least and be able to hit. As I mentioned, he rarely seems to hit a shot moving left or right or with kind of hitch if there's a defender coming at him. But I do think this has to do with his form and his release. He has a wide ranger of motion which imo, means he has to get a lot more right than someone that shoots a more compact shot. If you watch, Green jumps fairly high and releases the ball high over his head while Curry lets it go lower and from the side. And on an open shot, doesn't jump high or extend his arms much at all.

Yeah, you've got some good points there. I should also have added that I don't have a picture perfect form (not as bad as Bonner though), so I found it easier inside the 3 point line. An open shot inside the 3 point line was almost like an open layup to me (obviously not as easy as an open layup, but not too far off).

Reggie Miller used to be one of my favorite shooters back in the day and he also had an unorthodox form. lol, that was such a long time ago. I hate the guy now because of all the talking he's done about the Spurs during broadcasts. I loved him as a player and shooter back in the day, though.

[SpursforSix]

Yeah, you've got some good points there. I should also have added that I don't have a picture perfect form (not as bad as Bonner though), so I found it easier inside the 3 point line. An open shot inside the 3 point line was almost like an open layup to me (obviously not as easy as an open layup, but not too far off).

Reggie Miller used to be one of my favorite shooters back in the day and he also had an unorthodox form. lol, that was such a long time ago. I hate the guy now because of all the talking he's done about the Spurs during broadcasts. I loved him as a player and shooter back in the day, though.

Man...I used to hate Miller at first but I ended up having a lot of respect for him. It seems like he gets forgotten but he carried those Pacers teams. He's one of the great all time shooters. Did you catch "Miller Time"? That might be my favorite 30 for 30.

[RD2191]

[TheGreatYacht]

Anyone who defends D-League airball is re ed and obviously isn't worth arguing with. Their last watched Spurs game was probably 4 years ago

D-League's pumpers sure are quiet today

[dbreiden83080]

I'd so trade LMA without a thought

He's just so soft.

[RD2191]

[RD2191]

BOLD ME

[TheGreatYacht]

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