Manu has a legit argument for third best spur ever behind TD and Drob..

[Aztecfan03]

Again, if we're ranking these players based on raw output and talent, then obviously Gervin is better than Tony and Manu. There's no discussion there.

But my point (and I suspect others') is that since we're ranking them according to their importance for the Spurs franchise, then things get muddled a bit. Gervin made the Spurs relevant after the merger, and probably contribued to the franchise staying in SA. But Tony and Manu are part of the winningest trio in the NBA, at a level of sustained excellence never seen in any American pro sport, also main contributors to 4 championships, and are not in any way, shape or form role players.

That's why I'd give them the nod as 3a/3b in terms of All-Time Spurs, even though they are not individually as good as Ice.

ANd that's where the disagreeement is coming from i think. I don't think best spur means their importance to the franchise but how good they were in their playing career with the spurs. Strictly talking about best basketball players but only looking at time that was spent in a Spurs uniform.

[Gagnrath]

ANd that's where the disagreeement is coming from i think. I don't think best spur means their importance to the franchise but how good they were in their playing career with the spurs. Strictly talking about best basketball players but only looking at time that was spent in a Spurs uniform.

And I could argue that we could also use the player with overall talent that was also a Spur. No matter where their basketball peak was played we are ranking player greatness amoung players who were also spurs. We need to agree on what exactly we're discussing before we can ever hope to have a comprehensive list that makes everyone happy.

[skulls138]

ANd that's where the disagreeement is coming from i think. I don't think best spur means their importance to the franchise but how good they were in their playing career with the spurs. Strictly talking about best basketball players but only looking at time that was spent in a Spurs uniform.

That and not counting rings as part of that equation, right?

[Aztecfan03]

rings don't count all that much considering they are a team accomplishment and manu and Gervin had VASTLY different teams in terms of talent.

[Aztecfan03]

And I could argue that we could also use the player with overall talent that was also a Spur. No matter where their basketball peak was played we are ranking player greatness amoung players who were also spurs. We need to agree on what exactly we're discussing before we can ever hope to have a comprehensive list that makes everyone happy.

In this case, the careers were pretty much all with the spurs anyways(unless you are counting international and if so lol)

My point is best spur should be how good they were, particularly as a Spur. It shouldn't be what impact you had on the organization.

[will_spurs]

In this case, the careers were pretty much all with the spurs anyways(unless you are counting international and if so lol)

My point is best spur should be how good they were, particularly as a Spur. It shouldn't be what impact you had on the organization.

Who cares if they were Spurs if they had no impact on the franchise or organization?

[spursistan]

"The greatest for me to see is how he has developed into a pillar of the organization-- second to probably only to Tim and David" ..

No internet pictures available of Laura Messina, Ettore's wife, but there could be trouble ahead in Spursnation if she is turns out to be one of those bangable Italian milfs.

[wildbill2u]

I'm a huuuuge fan of Manu, but George Gervin saved the Spurs. His great entertainment value due to his very special skills in shooting built the fan base in a town that had no history with any interest in basketball at all. The enthusiastic fan base meant financial survival and ultimately led to the Spurs being one of the ABA teams that entered the NBA.

[SAGirl]

Interesting tidbit about Gervin Bill... bc back then the ABA was in very a rickety situation. I have read some tales...

[Mikeanaro]

Lol Gervin over Manu... just because he was the face of the franchise deserves a #1 spot(0 accomplishments), let alone the coke thing...
Spurs could be on another city and win championships with Duncan, Manu, Drob and the other guys.

[Arcadian]

*fourth

[dabom]

Watch out messina. Tony a ing diva.

[gambit1990]

harden, kd, messina giving manu props recently.

[UZER]

I wish I could give Manu recent props but his play won't let me.

[Pocho La Pantera]

I wish I could give Manu recent props but his play won't let me.

he is a former player trying to help the team in very reduced minutes. You have to appreciate the farewell and enjoy his last few months as a player.

[ElNono]

harden, kd, messina giving manu props recently.

what did MVHarden say?

[gambit1990]

what did MVHarden say?

when he was asked if there's ever been anyone else like him, he said manu.

over the summer he also said manu is his favorite lefty of all time.

[apalisoc_9]

But Gervin can twist his wrist more elegantly

[Gagnrath]

In this case, the careers were pretty much all with the spurs anyways(unless you are counting international and if so lol)

My point is best spur should be how good they were, particularly as a Spur. It shouldn't be what impact you had on the organization.

If we do things that way Michael Finley, Tracy McGrady, and Dennis Rodman all rank higher than Bruce Bowen. I am not exactly willing to do that. It's also puts Horry and Kerr in weird places because they weren't exactly pillars of the Spurs but can be argued as hall of fame players that were key to spurs championship runs.

[dbestpro]

Gervin gets over looked because too many never seen him play. Point is if there was never a George Gervin the Spurs would not have stayed in San Antonio.

[tonight...you]

"The greatest for me to see is how he has developed into a pillar of the organization-- second to probably only to Tim and David" ..

No internet pictures available of Laura Messina, Ettore's wife, but there could be trouble ahead in Spursnation if she is turns out to be one of those bangable Italian milfs.

TP's body is ready...

[tonight...you]

But Gervin can twist his wrist more elegantly

Like you've watched him and his teams...

[Mikeanaro]

Gervin gets over looked because too many never seen him play. Point is if there was never a George Gervin the Spurs would not have stayed in San Antonio.

They could be anywhere, in Tupelo, Des Moines or in Dover and still be the Spurs winning championships...

[dbestpro]

They could be anywhere, in Tupelo, Des Moines or in Dover and still be the Spurs winning championships...

Disagree. If they had moved the name Spurs would not have followed. Without Gervin the ABA team most likely to go to the NBA would have been St Louis and the team would have been called the Spirit.

[Mikeanaro]

Disagree. If they had moved the name Spurs would not have followed. Without Gervin the ABA team most likely to go to the NBA would have been St Louis and the team would have been called the Spirit.

Who knows? Grizzlies are still Grizzlies, there are no Lakes in LA, if we go to the ¨pay respect¨ route it will be
1- Gervin
2- David Robinson because thanks to his injury Spurs got TD
3- Tim Duncan because he arrived late
4 and the rest Manu Parker etc.