Danny Green's work ethic

[GSH]

Deniability. Ignorance best friend.

Wait, what? WTF does that even mean? Okay, I'm done with you for the day. Maybe some other day when you've been taking your meds.

[palangi]

Heh. I'd almost bet that there are players that you've been accused of hating AND protecting, by different people. Or the same person, under two different accounts.

Chinook really likes it when you suck him off like this....

[palangi]

Wait, what? WTF does that even mean? Okay, I'm done with you for the day. Maybe some other day when you've been taking your meds.

Or some other time when you're not sucking your buddy off.

[SpursBig3s]

tbh Danny's been hurt quite a bit by Parker's decline

back when parker was penetrating at will, danny was the primary beneficiary and he never had to put the ball on the floor. now that parker sorta just dribbles and passes it off to danny, too many times he needs to dribble which only leads to disaster.

this is why dejounte needs more run, we need a penetrating point guard to mask danny's offensive shortcomings and highlight his strength

Finally, someone gets it.

[Chinook]

It's not just Parker, but anyway people have been saying this for years. The answer isn't Murray. The answer was to prioritize such a guard during the off-season. But they didn't think it was worth it, so we have what we see.

[palangi]

It's not just Parker, but anyway people have been saying this for years. The answer isn't Murray. The answer was to prioritize such a guard during the off-season. But they didn't think it was worth it, so we have what we see.

No . The answer is get a better option. Someone who can actually dribble.

But yes Murray is a better option.

[HarlemHeat37]

Maybe they should get Miles Plumlee to start, tbh

Green couldn't dribble or consistently drive when he was the starting SG on consecutive Finals teams and a le team(where he played a key role and had many big games)..that's not the proper route to take if you're going to argue against him starting, at the moment..

The correct argument would be that the Spurs need a penetrating option to replace him, since they aren't going to move on from Parker in the immediate future..however, that wouldn't change much, since most good teams have role players at one of the wing spots combined with a star PG..

[Chinook]

We're back on blaming Green for not being able to do Tony's job? The Spurs are paying their lead guards a good deal of money, and yet people want to blame things on Danny and Patty when their salaries combined equal what one of Manu or Tony is making. If you're content with those guys on their contracts, you just have to accept the current state of things.

[spurraider21]

Maybe they should get Miles Plumlee to start, tbh

Green couldn't dribble or consistently drive when he was the starting SG on consecutive Finals teams and a le team(where he played a key role and had many big games)..that's not the proper route to take if you're going to argue against him starting, at the moment..

The correct argument would be that the Spurs need a penetrating option to replace him, since they aren't going to move on from Parker in the immediate future..however, that wouldn't change much, since most good teams have role players at one of the wing spots combined with a star PG..

Not arguing against him starting, just pointing out why he might not look as good as he did 2-3 years ago. I don't think his game has deteriorated, but his offensive skills/limitations don't fit as perfectly as they did then.

[HarlemHeat37]

There's also a misconception that other role players in the NBA are creating their own shots or something

Looking at the starting wing role players on other top teams:

Danny Green: 80% assisted

Otto Porter(the best 3 and D guy in the NBA): 81%
Jae Crowder: 83%
Kyle Korver: 97%
Jr Smith: 84%
Ariza: 81%
Re : 87%
Roberson: 83%
DeMarre Carroll: 77%

[HarlemHeat37]

Not arguing against him starting, just pointing out why he might not look as good as he did 2-3 years ago. I don't think his game has deteriorated, but his offensive skills/limitations don't fit as perfectly as they did then.

I agree, I wasn't arguing against your point, I've said the same thing since last season..although I'm one of the biggest Green fans here, I could understand moving away from him if they decide to keep Parker around as a starter for another 2 years(although I don't think Pop would ever move Green, he didn't even give up on him when he was shooting 32% from 3, last season), since they desperately need penetration at one of the guard spots(could be Murray, next year, though)..

The Spurs are 22nd in the NBA at % of 3s(out of their total points scored) off penetration..I don't have the data from years ago, but I would guess that they were close to the top 5 when Parker was in his prime, since he was as quick as any PG we have ever seen(along with being highly intelligent, despite what many here believe)..

There seems to be a lot of denial on this forum about the Spurs making this team heavily frontcourt-dependent..not only personnel-wise, but also based on style of play..

[Chinook]

Not arguing against him starting, just pointing out why he might not look as good as he did 2-3 years ago. I don't think his game has deteriorated, but his offensive skills/limitations don't fit as perfectly as they did then.

I assume he's responding to Palangi saying something along the lines of "lol Chinook trying to protect Green when they really need to trade him lol" rather than what you said. That Pop still almost religiously pairs Green/Parker and Mills/Ginobili supports your point.

[spurraider21]

We're back on blaming Green for not being able to do Tony's job? The Spurs are paying their lead guards a good deal of money, and yet people want to blame things on Danny and Patty when their salaries combined equal what one of Manu or Tony is making. If you're content with those guys on their contracts, you just have to accept the current state of things.

It's not blaming him. It's acknowledging the reality of the situation. We need guard that can penetrate/playmake. Used to be Tony and that made green fine in his role. Parker can't do it anymore. So either gotta replace parker or swap green for somebody with a skill set that better fits. It's simple math. It's not danny's "fault" but that's besides the point.

[Chinook]

It's not blaming him. It's acknowledging the reality of the situation. We need guard that can penetrate/playmake. Used to be Tony and that made green fine in his role. Parker can't do it anymore. So either gotta replace parker or swap green for somebody with a skill set that better fits. It's simple math. It's not danny's "fault" but that's besides the point.

See above, except replace "I assume he's" with "I'm"

[GSH]

It's not blaming him. It's acknowledging the reality of the situation. We need guard that can penetrate/playmake. Used to be Tony and that made green fine in his role. Parker can't do it anymore. So either gotta replace parker or swap green for somebody with a skill set that better fits. It's simple math. It's not danny's "fault" but that's besides the point.

Well it's definitely the weak spot in this SL. We've known it from the beginning. The problem is, I haven't seen a single realistic trade they could have made to improve that problem, without weakening something else. That's the reality of life under the salary cap. (That, plus the fact other teams sort of like to keep their really good players. )

[NameLess Scrub]

tbh Danny's been hurt quite a bit by Parker's decline

back when parker was penetrating at will, danny was the primary beneficiary and he never had to put the ball on the floor. now that parker sorta just dribbles and passes it off to danny, too many times he needs to dribble which only leads to disaster.

this is why dejounte needs more run, we need a penetrating point guard to mask danny's offensive shortcomings and highlight his strength

As a scrub who kinda plays like Danny, I love kick outs .. so I agree

[dabom]

Maybe they should get Miles Plumlee to start, tbh

Green couldn't dribble or consistently drive when he was the starting SG on consecutive Finals teams and a le team(where he played a key role and had many big games)..that's not the proper route to take if you're going to argue against him starting, at the moment..

The correct argument would be that the Spurs need a penetrating option to replace him, since they aren't going to move on from Parker in the immediate future..however, that wouldn't change much, since most good teams have role players at one of the wing spots combined with a star PG..

Danny is not getting traded for another 3 years.

[palangi]

There's also a misconception that other role players in the NBA are creating their own shots or something

Looking at the starting wing role players on other top teams:

Danny Green: 80% assisted

Otto Porter(the best 3 and D guy in the NBA): 81%
Jae Crowder: 83%
Kyle Korver: 97%
Jr Smith: 84%
Ariza: 81%
Re : 87%
Roberson: 83%
DeMarre Carroll: 77%

I don't think anyone is saying role players are creators. But DG has not developed that part of his game at all. I don't know why it is so bad to want an upgrade here. DG has done good things for us. But I don't think he's what we need anymore.

And while you are trying to take a shot at me for Plumlee, whose to say he doesn't come in and click like Dedmon has? But good shot.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't think anyone is saying role players are creators. But DG has not developed that part of his game at all. I don't know why it is so bad to want an upgrade here. DG has done good things for us. But I don't think he's what we need anymore.

And while you are trying to take a shot at me for Plumlee, whose to say he doesn't come in and click like Dedmon has? But good shot.

That's fair

[TheGreatYacht]

Mother er hits front of the rim or airballs open shots, but yea let's blame the playmakers on this team

[Mikeanaro]

OP got this wrong, it should be... Danny Green´s lacks work ethic.

[DenialTwist]

We're back on blaming Green for not being able to do Tony's job? The Spurs are paying their lead guards a good deal of money, and yet people want to blame things on Danny and Patty when their salaries combined equal what one of Manu or Tony is making. If you're content with those guys on their contracts, you just have to accept the current state of things.

Exactly

[Play Boban]

Cut this clown from the team, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Can we stop calling this guy a 3&D player?

After a "fluke bad shooting year", as his pumpers say, in which he shot 33.2% from deep.... His current 3P% keeps plummeting and plummeting by the game.

Over his last 7 games he's averaging 5pts and shooting 26.7% from three

Get this declining 30yr old off the team RC

[still.focused]

I often wonder does DG feel the least bit incompetent when he sees a player like Kawhi work & improve by leaps & bounds while he still cant dribble a ball more than 4 consecutive times without ting on himself