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Detroit maybeBayless and Dellevadova got 9 or 10 million/year IIRC..Patty's getting much more than that IMO
He got kneed in the thigh vs. the Lakers. See list of his other dings in the link below:
Tony Parker out with quadriceps contusion; Dejounte Murray to start
http://es.pn/2lVqTHO
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summer league is garbage... Murray will have to earn his chops in the NBA, going against the best of the best, tbh.... hopefully next season, we'll see...
Laugh all you want, but Paddy gonna get paid this summer, tbh... we'll see if it's from the Spurs or somewhere else...Ya know, ever since an elite poster (
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Detroit maybe
The are you talking about? I've said he's a better option and still believe he is. I still think he can be a starter. This idea that you need to be dynamic and a good penetrator to be a starting PG on a good team is BS--look at Fisher or Chalmers.Biggest backpedal in Spurstalk history from "Mills is the future of the Spurs at the PG position."
People said the same about George Hill because they saw him as a threat to their beloved Enrique too. He ended up being a starting PG afterall despite ST insisting he wasn't a PG.
The difference in the guys you mentioned: All really good to above average defender (Mills is not) and all have the ability to handle the ball under pressure while also showing ability to get to the rim at a consistent level.
Mills cannot really create his own shot, cannot have a tight enough handle to dribble in traffic and has poor vision for a lead guard and despite him putting forth tremendous effort is a negative on defense usually (even within a system along with one-on-one).
Biggest backpedal in Spurstalk history from "Mills is the future of the Spurs at the PG position."
People should refrain themselves from taking such an extreme & outrageous point of view.
Minutes played together aren't even close, obviously. Hard to imagine that with continuity and Pop developing sets for Paddy within the SL (like Enrique has) that we wouldn't see an uptick in Paddy's numbers.
I'll bring up Hill again, Spurs played their best ball of the year with a young Hill in the SL years ago. I'm aware Manu played out of his mind towards the end of that season but Kawhi is doing the same this year. Enrique has always been replaceable, moreso now that he absolutely sucks.
Look, I agree TP is definitely replaceable at his current level. Unfortunately neither Mills no Murray are better than TP and those are the only options at this moment. Hopefully that gets addressed next year, but as of now, NOTHING points to Mills or Murray being better starters than TP and TP hasn't even been good.
There's actually plenty of signs that would point to that. You just refuse to acknowledge them.
Dude, you obviously dont watch much basketball outside of SA. Fisher & Chalmers are both better PG's than Mills. Mills is better than Chalmers overall in terms of impact, but in terms of being a PG? Fisher and Chalmers were both better defenders (and it's not close) and both had better control of running an offense vs starters including getting to the rim (neither are TP level, but butter than Mills for sure).
To highlight this if you look at Chalmers %2PTs and unassisted rates both of those highlight this. Mario was typically in the mid-40s% wise for 2PT and high 20's of 2PTFGM assisted. Mills is typically in the high 30's% wise for 2PT and high 40s to 50s of 2PTFGM assisted.
So Mills not only gets into the lane/2PT range less often but when he does? He basically is off a cut and pass half the time while Chalmers does it unassisted about 80% of the time.
Chalmers is nothing special and I"m not saying otherwise, but he and Fisher were both better PG's than Mills (Mills is a better impactful player than Chalmers overall though).
Nah - there is really not. I just showed you that with the same crews as TP (even you admitting he's been awful) Mills has been worse. Then when you just watch the games you see how the offense is so much more clunky with Mills truly running sets, how he can't handle the ball well and how his defense is a pretty big negative.
If a team wants to shoot themselves in the foot, they will. But shooters are a dime a dozen and Mills doesn't bring anything else to the table. He's basically a working man's Gary Neal. In a league where Seth Curry (much better player, tbh) is on a 2 yr(s) / $5,926,410 contract with Dallas, I'm pretty sure he won't see anywhere near the kind of dollar figures Spurstalk is claiming he'll get. And the Spurs would have to be born stupid to pay Paddy a large sum of money to shoot a basketball when there will be so many cheaper alternatives that can do the same job, only better. The Spurs also won't make a second mistake after the Parker extension..... pay a large sum of money and get diminishing returns on your investment.
Man. I hope we trade for Seth Curry, tbh.. upgraded Mills.
We'll see... this is a league that paid 3/$21m to Boban to warm up the bench because "Pop coached him for a year" (can't really understand any other reason). Heck, bad contracts are the norm in the league, tbh... the Spurs are more or less an outlier on that, with guys like Green (and even Patty's current deal) being good value.
Mills is a good player too. So him getting paid, even if he's not "worth it" is going to get you a great teammate and solid production.
Mills is just not a starting PG. At least not on a good team.
Jesus Christ. I dread Patty bringing the ball up the court against starting PGs. He doesn't even run sets. He hands the ball off to Kawhi or Manu and then sticks himself in a corner. He's not a ing point guard, dude. "Running sets" for him means he's hanging out on the arc waiting for someone to pass him the ball to shoot.
I love Patty, he's one of my favorite Spurs of all-time, but he doesn't have it man. It's ing pathetic that you've been banging the same drum for 5 years now and a top 3 coach of all-time is basically giving you every indication that you don't know a ing thing about basketball, and you still think your knowledge and grasp of the game is superior.
I wait for the day for one of the helmet crew to get a DIII assistant coaching position to show they have the tiniest understanding of ball to prove me wrong. Not holding my breath, though, as I doubt a single one of them has ever even stepped on a court.
Why in the world would the GOAT coach roll with Paddy in the 4th and OT for two straight games? And on multiple occasions this seadon? It just makes no sense if Enrique truly is the clear cut better option.
He clearly is trying to "avoid that at all costs".
You have to understand that this is poor logic. First, it's very recent and TP is coming off an injury. Two, TP has played really bad since the injury (even missed a game). He's going with Mills because the only other option is Murray who is not going to play much.
If your only leg to stand on, after all the detailed info I just provided you is "why did Pop go with Mills the last two games" I think you know the truth. The fact Pop is going with Mills for two games with TP coming off an injury does not change the mounds of data I just shared with you.
No matter how much worse TP may get that doesn't by default make Patty a better than TP option as a starting PG on a good team. Now, if TP gets worse and worse sure there is some point where Mills becomes better. However, up until now even with TP being pretty bad, Mills has not been a better option. TP declining further does not change that fact.
And you'd have no basis for that other than your undying loyalty for Enrique. Name me a game when Paddy blatantly struggled to bring the ball up the floor?Jesus Christ. I dread Patty bringing the ball up the court against starting PGs. He doesn't even run sets. He hands the ball off to Kawhi or Manu and then sticks himself in a corner. He's not a ing point guard, dude. "Running sets" for him means he's hanging out on the arc waiting for someone to pass him the ball to shoot.
I love Patty, he's one of my favorite Spurs of all-time, but he doesn't have it man. It's ing pathetic that you've been banging the same drum for 5 years now and a top 3 coach of all-time is basically giving you every indication that you don't know a ing thing about basketball, and you still think your knowledge and grasp of the game is superior.
I wait for the day for one of the helmet crew to get a DIII assistant coaching position to show they have the tiniest understanding of ball to prove me wrong. Not holding my breath, though, as I doubt a single one of them has ever even stepped on a court.
He's not a traditional PG. Noone is arguing otherwise. I'm arguing the suggestion that a PG has to be a good penetrator for the team to be good. I mean it's ironic, bc Enrique can't even get to the rim or break down defenses anymore but somehow it's a requirement for Paddy to start. He won't ever be prime Enrique, but with continuity in the SL I don't see why he wouldn't be a great fit with the spacing he brings and occasionally have nights like he does with his national team. Pop has never said or treated Paddy like he isn't a PG btw, just like he never did with Hill. There isn't just one kind of effective PG despite what ST thinks every time they see someone as a threat to their beloved hero Enrique.
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