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    I cannot grok its fullnes leemajors's Avatar
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    Oh, go cram your into an illegal hole. Nobody cares what you think.
    He'll never stop clucking and chirping

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    Brady being his last year has to be the only explanation for trading away their future for Dwayne Allen and Brandin Cooks. They need to keep Butler for a year and maybe trade for another cheap stud defensive player, perhaps a pass rusher in the last year of his rookie contract?

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    Brady being his last year has to be the only explanation for trading away their future for Dwayne Allen and Brandin Cooks. They need to keep Butler for a year and maybe trade for another cheap stud defensive player, perhaps a pass rusher in the last year of his rookie contract?
    They didn't trade much for Dwayne Allen but they def gave too much for Cooks.

    Regarding the pass rusher, they just traded for Kony Ealy who isn't great but is much better than Chris Long.

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    Cooks has 5th year option for 8,5 mil. So that`s two year of full patriots controll.

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    He'll never stop clucking and chirping
    I talk football not all worrried about other posters. Grow up ya little , ok?

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    Cooks has 5th year option for 8,5 mil. So that`s two year of full patriots controll.
    I'll take Brandon Marshall at 6mm (what the giants got him at) over Cooks at 8.5mm and it's not even close.

    As mono already said, Cooks' production comes in the same way Edelman's/Hogan's/Amendola's production comes....busted coverage, designed plays, and extremely accurate passes from his QB. He isn't some Randy Moss type of deep threat with a giant catching radius who always requires safety help because he consistently shreds/catches passes over man coverage. Put an above average corner who can throw off his route timing and he'll disappear.

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    while he's probably a decent player, i'm very puzzled by our moves... Probably means Amendola is gone.

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    A first and third round pick isn't a "bag of chips." It's a pretty steep price for a shiny hood ornament they don't need.

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    I'll take Brandon Marshall at 6mm (what the giants got him at) over Cooks at 8.5mm and it's not even close.

    As mono already said, Cooks' production comes in the same way Edelman's/Hogan's/Amendola's production comes....busted coverage, designed plays, and extremely accurate passes from his QB. He isn't some Randy Moss type of deep threat with a giant catching radius who always requires safety help because he consistently shreds/catches passes over man coverage. Put an above average corner who can throw off his route timing and he'll disappear.
    There arent many teams that can put cover on all weapons that Brady will have. Pats has seen him closely last year in the summer, and apparently wanted him badly. I think no one can question pats FO.

    Marshall is old and head case. And you`ve got Cooks for 9 mil/2yrs rather than Marshall 12/2.

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    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    I'll take Brandon Marshall at 6mm (what the giants got him at) over Cooks at 8.5mm and it's not even close.

    As mono already said, Cooks' production comes in the same way Edelman's/Hogan's/Amendola's production comes....busted coverage, designed plays, and extremely accurate passes from his QB. He isn't some Randy Moss type of deep threat with a giant catching radius who always requires safety help because he consistently shreds/catches passes over man coverage. Put an above average corner who can throw off his route timing and he'll disappear.
    I'm pretty sure Marshall met with the Pats, but it was never going to work. I imagine this is how the conversation went.

    Belichick: if we sign you, are you willing to stop appearing on Inside The NFL?

    Marshall: nope.

    Belichick: Okay, nice meeting with you.

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    There arent many teams that can put cover on all weapons that Brady will have. Pats has seen him closely last year in the summer, and apparently wanted him badly. I think no one can question pats FO.

    Marshall is old and head case. And you`ve got Cooks for 9 mil/2yrs rather than Marshall 12/2.
    The weapons Brady has are largely redundant with each other. If you jam up the middle of the field/intermediate route areas you're effectively covering Edelman/Amendola/Cooks simultaneously. Gronk is the only receiver on the roster who's able to constantly attract double coverage.

    The notion that you can't question Belichicks personnel decisions is also re ed. History is going ignore all of his ty personnel decisions because he's such a ing good coach who's able to compensate for them, but he's had more than his fair share of draft picks who have flopped and free agent signings that failed. His ability to evaluate the WR position has especially been particularly ty. Rememba det time Chad Jackson in the 2nd round was going to be the steal of the draft because of how amazing he looked in practice?

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    I'm pretty sure Marshall met with the Pats, but it was never going to work. I imagine this is how the conversation went.

    Belichick: if we sign you, are you willing to stop appearing on Inside The NFL?

    Marshall: nope.

    Belichick: Okay, nice meeting with you.
    Fair point, but I would still rather they just re-sign Floyd to a prove-it type deal and use the resources they spent on Cooks to retool at center/right guard. Generating A gap pressure is one of the few things that consistently worked against Brady even in his prime, so that's definitely an area to make sure isn't a problem as he gets older imo. A receiving group of Edelman/Mitc /Hogan/Floyd w/ Allen at tight end (im just assuming Gronk isn't healthy) is adequate enough.

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    Cooks can go the distance everything he has the ball, that can't be said about everyone. He is a legit speed threat.

    The last two sesons....162 receptions, 2311 yards and 17Tds. What team couldn't use that kind of productions?

    Stanley Morgan, Irving Fryar, Randy Moss all made a huge difference for the Pats with their speed, Cooks will be the next one.

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    Cooks can go the distance everything he has the ball, that can't be said about everyone. He is a legit speed threat.

    The last two sesons....162 receptions, 2311 yards and 17Tds. What team couldn't use that kind of productions?

    Stanley Morgan, Irving Fryar, Randy Moss all made a huge difference for the Pats with their speed, Cooks will be the next one.
    1100 yard over/under bet for Cooks next season, loser is banned from the NFL forum for the following 6 months. Deal?

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    1100 yard over/under bet for Cooks next season, loser is banned from the NFL forum for the following 6 months. Deal?
    You know I'm a...GIVE THINGS SOME DAMN TIME....guy. I have no idea just what role Belichick has in mind for the guy. All we know is if used like he was in NO he's catching over 70/1000.

    I was a cornerback, (RB) in HS, it's a whole other deal knowing a guy can blow by ya.

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    chirp chirp

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    This damn Avante, he told me but I wouldn't listen, now I'm going to pout.

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    Cluck cluck

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    Avante knows his football and it pisses me off. I need to get a note pad and start writing stuff down, learn a few things.

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    do the pats have any picks left tbh?
    Nope. Not till the end of the 3rd (4th?) round anyways. They're really ing themselves over once Brady is gone tbh they'll be the bottom of the AFC for the next 5+ years. They'll be what Jacksonville has been, or worse, in the past 10.

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    while he's probably a decent player, i'm very puzzled by our moves... Probably means Amendola is gone.
    Not this year, probably next.

    Amendola is a smart player you want on your team no matter how many receivers you have. Just so sound in the offense and amazing at setting picks at the perfect time so he doesn't draw a flag. Probably the best in the league at that imo.

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    Butler is visiting the Saints tomorrow. Some in NOLA media are speculating that Butler will be signed and the Saints will give up the 32nd pick they got from the Pats. Like it was an under the table agreement. I'm not sold it's gonna happen.

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