Kawhi's offensive game is "antiquated."

[RD2191]

You gonna come back here and mop up this butt-hurt before you go? This is a thread about Kawhi/the Spurs offense as it relates to Kawhi putting the team at risk. You want to pretend this never happened, there are multiple threads to go to.

The team at risk? BAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHA. WE HAVE THE 2ND BEST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE. THE ONLY TEAM AHEAD OF US IS A TEAM WITH TWO MVPS. JUST TAKE THE L SON.

[John Petrucci]

We have the 2nd best record in the league, the only team ahead of us is a team that won a record amount of games last season and added an MVP in the off-season. But yeah, Kawhi ball is the problem.

No problem with the style, but he's just gotta hit shots and not turn the ball over. These are those games he practices countless hours in gym for. You either got it or you don't.

[RD2191]

Photograph that 2nd best record in the league banner and post it here when it arrives.

I'm sorry Kawhi didn't out and join the dubs like "superstar" Kevin Durant.

[apalisoc_9]

The team is at risk because they have Kawhi

[Chinook]

We have the 2nd best record in the league, the only team ahead of us is a team that won a record amount of games last season and added an MVP in the off-season. But yeah, Kawhi ball is the problem.

You can literally replace "Kawhi ball" with anything.

We have the 2nd best record in the league, the only team ahead of us is a team that won a record amount of games last season and added an MVP in the off-season. But yeah, Parker starting is the problem.

We have the 2nd best record in the league, the only team ahead of us is a team that won a record amount of games last season and added an MVP in the off-season. But yeah, Danny missing shots is the problem.

We have the 2nd best record in the league, the only team ahead of us is a team that won a record amount of games last season and added an MVP in the off-season. But yeah, PATFO bringing back a TOSB backcourt is the problem.

[midnightpulp]

Photograph that 2nd best record in the league banner and post it here when it arrives.

It's like last year never happened.

"We're a 67 win team!"

- lost in the 2nd round.

[FkLA]

He didn't say anything about dishing. You can infer anything that blows your skirt up, Julio.

lol stubborn fat boy

Not going to bother with that . Even if you were right, Kawhi is better at penetrating. So what's your point?

[DMC]

So we ignore all the other SA/GS games just bc it suits your argument, fat boy?

Also way to point out why comparing them is a joke, moron. Its hilarious that you continue to act like Kawhi being a first option somehow strengthens your argument. Lmk when Klaynus makes the jump to being a first option.

Klay scored 60 in 29 minutes when he was the 1st option. He scored 37 in a quarter when he was the 1st option. Yes it matters. No one argues that Danny Green is a better offensive player than Klay, or that Aldridge is better, or any other Spur player. In fact, you only wish to argue the 1st option for the team with the 2nd best record in the league is a better offensive player than the 3rd option on the team just 2 games up on them. Even then you cannot hold your ground.

[Chinook]

The team at risk? BAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHA. WE HAVE THE 2ND BEST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE. THE ONLY TEAM AHEAD OF US IS A TEAM WITH TWO MVPS. JUST TAKE THE L SON.

Shut the up. It's so annoying hearing this same over and over. The team is at risk of losing the same way they've lost for two years now. If you want the Spurs to be a "great regular-season team" that's fine. I don't care. But to with trying to rest on that when we already know that what they're doing now doesn't mean they'll win anything.

[RD2191]

You can literally replace "Kawhi ball" with anything.

Take the L son and move on, the record speaks for itself. The dubs have 4 all stars, we have 1 and still have the 2nd best record in the association.

[midnightpulp]

The team is at risk because they have Kawhi

When's the last time an offense built around a midpost centric perimeter player won a le?

You position yourself as this "forward thinking NBA fan" with a disdain for nostalgia, but fail to acknowledge what the numbers and trends are telling you. Believe me, I wanted Kawhi to dominate tonight. I want the NBA paradigm shifted away from Moreyball, Wardellball, etc and back to a game where post-play kills, but that's not happening.

[FkLA]

Klay scored 60 in 29 minutes when he was the 1st option. He scored 37 in a quarter when he was the 1st option. Yes it matters. No one argues that Danny Green is a better offensive player than Klay, or that Aldridge is better, or any other Spur player. In fact, you only wish to argue the 1st option for the team with the 2nd best record in the league is a better offensive player than the 3rd option on the team just 2 games up on them. Even then you cannot hold your ground.

The one game fat boy strikes again.

37 points in 1 quarter
60 points

[DMC]

lol stubborn fat boy

Not going to bother with that . Even if you were right, Kawhi is better at penetrating. So what's your point?

He's no where near the 3pt threat that Klay is (more of a liability since he's ok from out there, like Tony), and Klay can still score in the post and can drive. You'd get points faster with Klay on the floor than with Kawhi on the floor. You might give them back at the other end though.

[Chinook]

Take the L son and move on, the record speaks for itself. The dubs have 4 all stars, we have 1 and still have the 2nd best record in the association.

Built-in excuse in your mind.

[DMC]

The one game fat boy strikes again.

37 points in 1 quarter
60 points

ppg for a 1st option vs 3rd option

[RD2191]

Shut the up. It's so annoying hearing this same over and over. The team is at risk of losing the same way they've lost for two years now. If you want the Spurs to be a "great regular-season team" that's fine. I don't care. But to with trying to rest on that when we already know that what they're doing now doesn't mean they'll win anything.

What part of the team isn't built that way do you not understand? We aren't the dubs, we have 1 all star you delusional . You honestly think Pop isn't running the best system that he can with the personnel that he has? Like I said, call RC and let him know you can give us the best shot at winning a le.

[HarlemHeat37]

Even if Parker is benched, Mills, Murray, Forbes don't provide any solutions (maybe Murray in the future). If Kawhi played like Harden but combined with his defense, this team would be a much bigger le threat. You're an analytics guy and you should know that midrange/midpost are "bad" shots.

Anyone have the tweet showing the PPS of post-play? It has one of the lowest values.

I know the alternatives for Parker aren't the solution, either, I've never said otherwise, tbh..

I don't disagree with your assessment on Kawhi, for the most part, but I still believe the Spurs can win with him as their best player..part of my belief is that they would be running a different style of basketball with a star PG, though(obviously this wouldn't change the way Kawhi plays, but his usage would drop and he's a very capable off-ball player)..

I've repeatedly said that it's very difficult to build a championship offense around a SF, though, unless it's a historic point-forward like Lebron..

[RD2191]

Blow it up Kawhi ball sucks! The only team with a better record than us has 4 all stars and 2 league MVPs in their primes!

[UZER]

Most people complaining about Parker aren't just complaining about this season. The writing has been on the wall for years that once he lost his quickness, his game would fall off a cliff which is exactly what has happened. The Spurs have not addressed the Tony aging problem and have handcuffed themselves of resolving it by paying him all that money this late in his career.

But we can all we want on here back and forth, myself included. Ultimately, pop gives 0 s and will do what he wants and after they lose in the playoffs, he'll go have some wine with Tony and Manu in France.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Did the poopsucking mods end up closing your thread? Can't find it

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267109

[FkLA]

He's no where near the 3pt threat that Klay is (more of a liability since he's ok from out there, like Tony), and Klay can still score in the post and can drive. You'd get points faster with Klay on the floor than with Kawhi on the floor. You might give them back at the other end though.

Now Kawhi is a liability from deep? Jesus you're an opportunistic fat ass. Maybe I should've called Klay and Steph liabilities when they were going 0-10 from deep during their losing streak.

He'll explode once in a while but on average you wouldn't get more points out of Klay.

ppg for a 1st option vs 3rd option

FGAs are around the same and scoring as a first option is harder than scoring as a third option, idiot.

but but 37 points

[DMC]

Blow it up Kawhi ball sucks! The only team with a better record than us has 4 all stars and 2 league MVPs in their primes!

KL and LMA both all stars. Pau Gasol has been an all star many times. Spurs have probably 3 HOFers on the floor and a HOF coach. Spurs might even have 4 HOFers considering Pau. Don't get all "not fair" on us. Everyone starts out with a payroll and an option to sign players.

[RD2191]

Pass it to our fat over the hill PG Kawhi!
Give it to our D league 2 point scoring center!
Toss it to our can't dribble without turning it over shooting guard!

[RD2191]

KL and LMA both all stars. Pau Gasol has been an all star many times. Spurs have probably 3 HOFers on the floor and a HOF coach. Spurs might even have 4 HOFers considering Pau. Don't get all "not fair" on us. Everyone starts out with a payroll and an option to sign players.

Who said anything about fair? The only team ahead of us has 4 all stars and two league MVPs in their primes. Facts are facts.

[midnightpulp]

I know the alternatives for Parker aren't the solution, either, I've never said otherwise, tbh..

I don't disagree with your assessment on Kawhi, for the most part, but I still believe the Spurs can win with him as their best player..part of my belief is that they would be running a different style of basketball with a star PG, though(obviously this wouldn't change the way Kawhi plays, but his usage would drop and he's a very capable off-ball player)..

I've repeatedly said that it's very difficult to build a championship offense around a SF, though, unless it's a historic point-forward like Lebron..

Yeah, I'm not suggesting Kawhi isn't our best player, just that you can't take him and him alone and then "build" an offense around him. He'll very much need a 1B penetrating/3 point shooting guard as his running mate. Fanboys seem to think that because you can't build around him, it somehow "insults" his playing ability or his status as a top 3 NBA player.