Kawhi's offensive game is "antiquated."

[RD2191]

Harden led teams have had more success in the post-season than Kawhi-led teams.

Kawhi has never been to a WCF as "the man."

But yeah, 2014, even though Duncan was the best player on the Spurs over the playoffs.

Yeah, because Timmy wasn't losing to 8 seeds before he got Kawhi. Who was finals MVP again? Who outplayed the top 2 players in the league on his way to a le?

[DMC]

I'm sorry Kawhi didn't out and join the dubs like "superstar" Kevin Durant.

Now you're melting down.

[RD2191]

Have Kawhi-led teams?

2015, first round exit.

2016. 67 wins, 2nd round exit.

Harden got to the WCF one year.

And don't give me the 2014 bull . Kawhi led that team as much as Kirby led the 3 peat Lakers.

LMAO. False narrative just because you're getting your pushed in.

[midnightpulp]

I don't think it's insulting to question an offense built around a SF, tbh..not just Kawhi, you could say the same thing about Durant, Carmelo, etc..it's just more natural to build an offense around a guard or a post big(in previous eras), as we've seen throughout history..

Pretty much this.

[RD2191]

Now you're melting down.

Facts are facts bruh. Kawhi isn't surrounded by all stars, it is what is.

[ElNono]

To be fair (and regardless of his ty game), Kawhi's been much more than anybody expected, IMO... don't want to derail this, but I thought Carmelo Aldrige was a legit star on his own when we signed him up? I don't see this level of scrutiny on what appears to be your #2 option...

[midnightpulp]

LMAO. False narrative just because you're getting your pushed in.

Oh, yeah, you're really thrashing me with that oh-so-clever rings argument. Are you secretly a Lakers fan in disguise time warped back to 2010 and arguing Kobe>Duncan cuz rings!

Where's your numbers? Facts?

And like those Kobe fans, you won't have any.

[RD2191]

Pretty much this.

You forgot one thing though, where is this guard that you speak of? Is he on the roster? Is he a draft and stash?

[DMC]

Yeah, because Timmy wasn't losing to 8 seeds before he got Kawhi. Who was finals MVP again? Who outplayed the top 2 players in the league on his way to a le?

Kobe was missing the playoffs before he got Pau and won 3 WCF in a row afterward. KL didn't do that for SA. Close though. As far as "outplayed". Andre Iguodala comes to mind. He won the Finals MVP over Lebron James and Steph Curry.

[RD2191]

Oh, yeah, you're really thrashing me with that oh-so-clever rings argument. Are you secretly a Lakers fan in disguise time warped back to 2010 and arguing Kobe>Duncan cuz rings!

Where's your numbers? Facts?

And like those Kobe fans, you won't have any.

Did Kawhi not win finals MVP? Is that not a fact?

[DMC]

Facts are facts bruh. Kawhi isn't surrounded by all stars, it is what is.

When he wins it's all KL. When he loses it's the team. Typical homer takes.

[midnightpulp]

Yeah, because Timmy wasn't losing to 8 seeds before he got Kawhi. Who was finals MVP again? Who outplayed the top 2 players in the league on his way to a le?

Timmy was also winning 4 les as the man.

Kawhi outplayed Durant in that series?

News to me.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-spurs.html

But in your irrational world, I'm sure 11.8 on .412 shooting is better than 25.8 on .475 shooting.

Furthermore, that OKC series was the toughest challenge the Spurs had in that run. Tell me who was the best player for us in the series?

[midnightpulp]

Did Kawhi not win finals MVP? Is that not a fact?

Tony Parker won a Finals MVP. Was he the leader of the 2007 Spurs?

Vernon Maxwell won a Finals MVP. So did Andre Iguodala.

Were they the "man" on their respective teams?

[RD2191]

Kobe was missing the playoffs before he got Pau and won 3 WCF in a row afterward. KL didn't do that for SA. Close though. As far as "outplayed". Andre Iguodala comes to mind. He won the Finals MVP over Lebron James and Steph Curry.

Yeah, because going from losing to 8 seeds to back to back les is obviously a small accomplishment.

[TheGreatYacht]

n Mid

[RD2191]

Timmy was also winning 4 les as the man.

Kawhi outplayed Durant in that series?

News to me.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-spurs.html

But in your irrational world, I'm sure 11.8 on .412 shooting is better than 25.8 on .475 shooting.

Furthermore, that OKC series was the toughest challenge the Spurs had in that run. Tell me who was the best player for us in the series?

Tell me where this team was before Kawhi?

[FkLA]

On that team he doesn't need to. He's a all star even with Steph and KD on the team. He pulled their ass out of the fire last year in the WCF. I don't recall Kawhi doing that for SA. so you're saying if he doesn't leave and go to a team where he's the 1st option, then by default your take is correct? desperate times...

Ironic coming from the guy that wanted to throw out PPG earlier in the year bc it was a future prediction based on only half a season . Now you want to not only predict he could be a first option, but that he could be a better one than Kawhi. Desperate times indeed, fat ass.

Klay doesn't have plays run for him. Are you a ing idiot? He's not a 1st option.
Klay can be a 1st option and has been and won the ing WCF because of it.
lol but recovering from a 3-1 deficit to beat the team that beat Kawhi..

dumbass

Had no idea only first options had plays run for them. Klay must be freelancing off of all those screens that get him open shots. You're such an imbecile.

Leading a team in scoring for some games here or there doesn't make you a first option, idiot. It just means you got hot. By that logic Kawhi decided to be a first option in '14 and won a ibg le bc of it.

[RD2191]

Tony Parker won a Finals MVP. Was he the leader of the 2007 Spurs?

Vernon Maxwell won a Finals MVP. So did Andre Iguodala.

Were they the "man" on their respective teams?

Tony Parker has always been a got so no.

[RD2191]

You forgot one thing though, where is this guard that you speak of? Is he on the roster? Is he a draft and stash?

So where is he?

[DMC]

You mean a team with a new starting small forward who had never played in their system? You're trolling right?

So we beat them by 30 because one of the MVPs you mentioned as a disadvantage to us? The same MVP that wasn't playing tonight? The same team that lost its center and other crucial pieces? That team? The team that had David ing West scoring at will? That team? Yeah David West is a beast. Too bad Diaw wasn't out there to make the worst duo in Spurs history, right?

The excuses you come up with don't even make sense. The Spurs had Pau Gasol and lost Tim Duncan. That's not a change at all though, right?

[midnightpulp]

Tell me where this team was before Kawhi?

Do you not see the stupidity of your logic?

Kawhi was the missing piece the post-07 Spurs needed, but what does this prove? That Kawhi was a great role player contra Duncan, Parker, and Manu?

I mean, Duncan was losing to the Lakers every year until Manu came along. What's this prove exactly?

[RD2191]

And yes Timmy won les, but he had help. He had two all stars and clutch shooters playing next to him on a few of those le runs. Who does Kawhi have? Can't get past the 2nd round LMA?

[midnightpulp]

And yes Timmy won les, but he had help. He had two all stars and clutch shooters playing next to him on a few of those le runs. Who does Kawhi have? Can't get past the 2nd round LMA?

Who does Harden have?

Trevor Ariza?

[DMC]

Ironic coming from the guy that wanted to throw out PPG earlier in the year bc it was a future prediction based on only half a season . Now you want to not only predict he could be a first option, but that he could be a better one than Kawhi. Desperate times indeed, fat ass.

Only on offense. He'd be a liability on defense compared to Kawhi but the 1st option isn't a defensive assignment.

you needing to go ape on the emojis because you don't have a point.

Had no idea only first options had plays run for them. Klay must be freelancing off of all those screens that get him open shots. You're such an imbecile.

If Klay has a play run for him, he's by default the 1st option, idiot.

not understanding what "1st option" means, as if it's some official team position. Ever seen a play drawn up? Who is the guy that gets the "shoot the ball" assignment 1st? I'll give you a hint.. it ends with "option". Klay isn't the 1st option most of the time, he's 3rd. Kawhi is the 1st option most of the time.

Leading a team in scoring for some games here or there doesn't make you a first option, idiot. It just means you got hot. By that logic Kawhi decided to be a first option in '14 and won a ibg le bc of it.

It does if the plays are run for you most of the time, dip . Again, learn the verbiage before you open your border patrol pleaser.

[RD2191]

Do you not see the stupidity of your logic?

Kawhi was the missing piece the post-07 Spurs needed, but what does this prove? That Kawhi was a great role contra Duncan, Parker, and Manu?

I mean, Duncan was losing to the Lakers every year until Manu came along. What's this prove exactly?

Missing piece LMAO. He's the reason why Timmy just retired last season. You're telling me we win it all without Kawhi? Kawhi has been more than a role player or missing piece. A role player can get you the 2nd best record in the league? Since when?