Doesn't matter, what has he won? What has he accomplished? And WTF is your dumbass point anyway? Harden ball is a better system? Ok, well where is our star guard to build this winning system around? Oh that's right, we don't have one, which makes your entire stupid argument pointless.
Yeah, obviously a Kawhi-led Spurs team hasn't rung yet. I'm just asking if you feel confident saying a team built around a guy like Harden has a higher ceiling? Their '15 WCF run they rode Josh Smith while Harden was on the bench. Sucked last year. Aren't as good as the Spurs this year-- that despite the fact that Harden's team is built around his strengths better than the Spurs are around Kawhi imo.
Are you this re ed?
Kawhi was very much a role player from his rookie year until his 2014 coming out party. He didn't do much scoring prior to the showdown with Miami. He was basically a 3 and D guy who was just getting his feet wet with more sophisticated offensive moves.
I'm not talking about current Kawhi. But you're acting like Kawhi's Finals MVP somehow proves he's an easier player to build around than Harden. That doesn't make any sense. I guess Parker's 07 Finals MVP "proves" he's an easier player to build around than Chris Paul.
And what does it matter if a Kawhi led team hasn't rang yet? When did a KD led team ring? When did LeBron ring before he joined two all star players in their primes?
You never answered my question, where is this supposed star guard that we're supposed to bulld our system around?
No. I've stated such. Kawhi + right pieces>Harden + right pieces.
But the right pieces are harder to find for the former. Doesn't mean I want Kawhi traded or think he's overrated, just that the Spurs are limited in what type of personnel they can surround him with. As Harlem illustrated, it's not easy to build around SFs.
So because the player you have isn't going to be the world beater on offense you hoped, there must, of necessity, be a better option? Why can't it just be that you're ed?
Don't know.
Hope Murray blossoms. His style solves a lot of this team's problems.
Supposedly hasn't rang yet, because we obviously ring without Kawhi in 14. Am I right?
So then WTF was the point of your thread?
Murray's peak is poor man's Reggie Jackson imo.
No one ever said that. Quit strawmanning.
What does it matter? You said so yourself. If Manu doesn't go nuclear in the 1st we might not have won. Had KL hit that FT in 13 we might have another ring. The Spurs played a-basketball. KL's feats were just slightly above Manu's. It wasn't a clear run away performance, but he was impressive.
What was the point of this thread then? We have what we have and Kawhi is who he is. Yeah, it would be awesome if we had an all star guard but we don't, which is why this is a stupid ing thread.
Why would there be a point to it? No one here can make personnel decisions for the Spurs. It's just an observation. Settle down, Paco.
it would help if the rest of the team could consistently hit open jumpers. In the 4th, Kerr sent double and triple teams at Leonard knowing we couldnt hit wide open. I don't think any other team in the league outside of the sixers and Kings miss as many open jumpers as we do. If you can't consistently hit an open jump shot as an nba player, that's a ing problem that can't be fixed. The sad thing is that danny green was hot tonight. wtf
A stupid and pointless observation.
Harden went to the WCF because all teams were injured excepting the Warrefs.
Shhh, this won't fit midnight's false narrative.
Because people here are under the impression that all the Spurs need to do to win the le is more forcefeeding Kawhi and/or Kawhi just needs an "okay" perimeter player to run with and all will be solved. But the one issue no one has touched on is that Kawhi's offensive style just isn't compatible with what works in the NBA and is somewhat part of the problem of why this team will struggle to get to the WCF, never mind beating the Warriors. Point is Kawhi is never constructively criticized on here. It's always Porker's fault, LMA's fault, House's fault, etc.
So either: Kawhi needs to do more magical work during the off-season and develop an ELITE dribble-drive game that he starts from the top of the key (i.e. Harden) and develop a better off-the-dribble 3 point shot.
Or the Spurs need to find/develop a 20ppg point guard threat with Kawhi scaling back his midrange game and looking to dribble-drive more.
Clippers were healthy, the team that beat us.
Try again.
CP3 injured vs Spurs, never recovered and he is the soul of that team.
His magical shot over timmy, pulled a willis reed.
You need talent to win les period. That's where it ends. The heat had plenty and the dubs have plenty. It's really that simple, Kawhi needs better talent around him. Why did LeBron join the Heat? Because of their system? No, he formed a superteam because he needed other stars to win.
Only on offense. He'd be a liability on defense compared to Kawhi but the 1st option isn't a defensive assignment.
you needing to go ape on the emojis because you don't have a point.
If Klay has a play run for him, he's by default the 1st option, idiot.
Klay isn't a 1st option most of the time for a reason. There's other things besides getting more plays run for you that comes with being a first option. You know like more game planning from defenses, more double teams. It's idiotic to nonchalantly assume Klaynus could handle those things better than Kawhi.
More verbiage semantics by the fat boy. He was still a #2 during that WCF. Got hot at the right time and deserves tons of credit for coming up big but that doesn't make him a #1.t does if the plays are run for you most of the time, dip . Again, learn the verbiage before you open your border patrol pleaser.
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